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Wasn't 'Cancel Culture' supposed to be bad?

DaShuckster

DaShuckster

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I'm surprised that our usual crew hasn't shown a lot of angst over Liz Cheney getting cancelled for simply stating that the notion the POTUS election was 'stolen' from Donald Trump is utter nonsense.

As with everything with these guys, their faux outrage over cancel culture depends on who's doing the cancelling.

Liz Cheney has a conservative record that significantly tops the woman the GOP leadership is going to replace her with but who cares, right? She's not kissing The Donald's ring.
 
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Voting her out of a leadership role isn't exactly the same thing as cancel culture.
 
Cancel culture is only for things you don’t like. Like when starbucks changed their Christmas cups. If you swing from trumps nuts and someone doesn’t fall in lockstep with him they can be cancelled. No biggie.
 
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DaShuckster said:

I'm surprised that our usual crew hasn't shown a lot of angst over Liz Cheney getting cancelled for simply stating that the notion the POTUS election was 'stolen' from Donald Trump is utter nonsense.

As with everything with these guys, their faux outrage over cancel culture depends on who's doing the cancelling.

Liz Cheney has a conservative record that significantly tops the woman the GOP leadership is going to replace her with but who cares, right? She's not kissing The Donald's ring.
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I don’t think you understand what cancel culture is.

What it is: Twitter mobs getting Kevin Hart fired from the Oscars over tweets and jokes that were years old.

What it’s not: Facing consequences for going against people who have some level of authority over you. Like when someone is fired for a history of sexual harassment, or a party member goes against the wishes of party leadership and is demoted.
 
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hemightbejeremy said:
Cancel culture is only for things you don’t like. Like when starbucks changed their Christmas cups. If you swing from trumps nuts and someone doesn’t fall in lockstep with him they can be cancelled. No biggie.
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You also don’t have any idea what cancel culture is. See post above.

Addendum: It’s also not when someone doesn’t like how a business does something and chooses to go elsewhere. That’s called a boycott.
 
Knight In TN said:
You also don’t have any idea what cancel culture is. See post above.

Addendum: It’s also not when someone doesn’t like how a business does something and chooses to go elsewhere. That’s called a boycott.
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Make sure when contriving your definition that you weave it in a way that you can blame it on those horrible “lefties”.
 
DaShuckster said:

I'm surprised that our usual crew hasn't shown a lot of angst over Liz Cheney getting cancelled for simply stating that the notion the POTUS election was 'stolen' from Donald Trump is utter nonsense.

As with everything with these guys, their faux outrage over cancel culture depends on who's doing the cancelling.

Liz Cheney has a conservative record that significantly tops the woman the GOP leadership is going to replace her with but who cares, right? She's not kissing The Donald's ring.
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IF YOU DON'T SUPPORT THE BIG LIE AND THE BIG ORANGE IDIOT.....you're out of the failing retardplican party.
 
Knight In TN said:
I don’t think you understand what cancel culture is.

What it’s not: Facing consequences for going against people who have some level of authority over you. Like when someone is fired for a history of sexual harassment, or a party member goes against the wishes of party leadership and is demoted.
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LMAO. A party member goes against the wishes of party leadership?

You mean not lying about the election? :) :) :)

You can't make this sh*t up.
 
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Knight In TN said:
I don’t think you understand what cancel culture is.

What it is: Twitter mobs getting Kevin Hart fired from the Oscars over tweets and jokes that were years old.

What it’s not: Facing consequences for going against people who have some level of authority over you. Like when someone is fired for a history of sexual harassment, or a party member goes against the wishes of party leadership and is demoted.
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Here's the reality - people see this through a personal filter. If they see the grievance as reasonable and justified, it's not cancel culture. If they can't relate to the grievance then it's cancel culture.

I mean, the entire Capitol Insurrection was an effort to "cancel" the election. And if a Republican leader dares point that out, then they get "cancelled" too.

But this didn't involve the Oscars, only Democracy so I guess it's not as culturally significant.
 
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Boosted87 said:
Here's the reality - people see this through a personal filter. If they see the grievance as reasonable and justified, it's not cancel culture. If they can't relate to the grievance then it's cancel culture.

I mean, the entire Capitol Insurrection was an effort to "cancel" the election. And if a Republican leader dares point that out, then they get "cancelled" too.

But this didn't involve the Oscars, only Democracy so I guess it's not as culturally significant.
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It really doesn’t have anything to do with how someone feels about the grievance, but thanks for your opinion.

www.dictionary.com

Where Did Cancel Culture Come From?

Cancel culture is the popular practice of withdrawing support for (canceling) public figures or companies after doing something offensive or deemed so.
www.dictionary.com www.dictionary.com
 
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Crazyhole said:
Losing an election isn't cancel culture
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It is when you are being ousted from your leadership position for something truthful you said.

You guys go apoplectic when it's a Disney actress talking about Nazis, but when it Liz Cheney talking about Trump's stupid election steal assertions, SOMEHOW THAT'S DIFFERENT. 🙄
 
She was not silenced nor cancelled. Just demoted. We have the right to free speech, we do not have the right to speak without consequence.
 
DaShuckster said:
It is when you are being ousted from your leadership position for something truthful you said.

You guys go apoplectic when it's a Disney actress talking about Nazis, but when it Liz Cheney talking about Trump's stupid election steal assertions, SOMEHOW THAT'S DIFFERENT. 🙄
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Cancel culture has just devolved into the idea that if you like someone, it is cancel culture, if you dont like someone it is consequences.
 
goodknightfl said:
She was not silenced nor cancelled. Just demoted. We have the right to free speech, we do not have the right to speak without consequence.
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100%. Same shit happened to this guy so I guess the right can just stfu now?

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The funny thing, is that Cheney's voting record is one of the most conservative records in congress, where as Stefanik's record isnt really considered conservative. The Republican party doesnt stand for anything at this point, other than kissing Trump's ass.
 
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Cubs79 said:
The funny thing, is that Cheney's voting record is one of the most conservative records in congress, where as Stefanik's record isnt really considered conservative. The Republican party doesnt stand for anything at this point, other than kissing Trump's ass.
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It's doubtful that Stefanik wins next year.
 
Crazyhole said:
It's doubtful that Stefanik wins next year.
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SHe is about to replace Cheney, whether she wins next year has nothing to do with anything. The Republicans are going to replace an actual conservative, for someone who doesnt rate very well with conservative Think Tanks. The GOP no longer stands for anything, other than bowing down to Trump.
 
goodknightfl said:
She was not silenced nor cancelled. Just demoted. We have the right to free speech, we do not have the right to speak without consequence.
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I agree with this statement 100%.

Liz knows what she's doing. She's taking a principled stand in-spite of the consequences. This is why I dislike the whole "cancel culture" nonsense right now. The Dixie Chicks made a choice and had to deal with the consequences. Kaepernick made a choice and had to deal with the consequences.

I'm not "outraged" on behalf of anyone of them. I respect the fact that they put some cause they believe in above their personal ambitions. When someone blames "cancel culture" for the consequences of their actions, it shows their true colors.
 
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Cubs79 said:
SHe is about to replace Cheney, whether she wins next year has nothing to do with anything. The Republicans are going to replace an actual conservative, for someone who doesnt rate very well with conservative Think Tanks. The GOP no longer stands for anything, other than bowing down to Trump.
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Sorry, I was mistaking stefanik for Cheneys Wyoming primary challenger.
 
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So the GOP is replacing a hard-core conservative with a moderate? Or is Stefanik the actual conservative in spite of her voting record? I just don't know if this is a move to the right or to the left.
 
Crazyhole said:
So the GOP is replacing a hard-core conservative with a moderate? Or is Stefanik the actual conservative in spite of her voting record? I just don't know if this is a move to the right or to the left.
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How is she an actual conservative despite her voting record? Someone's voting record is actually what matters, so I dont see how you can judge someone despite their actual record.

It is a move to degrade democracy. That might sound hyperbolic, and this specific situation isnt going to bring down democracy, but it does tell you where the party is right now. And where they are right now, is that upholding lies is more important than speaking the truth. And considering this lie is about an election, than I dont see how anyone can look at it as anything other than an attack on democracy.
 
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So the GOP is replacing a hard-core conservative with a moderate? Or is Stefanik the actual conservative in spite of her voting record? I just don't know if this is a move to the right or to the left.
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It's ridiculous to paint this picture in 'shades of conservative' colors. Congressional Republicans haven't been interested in promoting conservatism in ages.
 
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DaShuckster said:
It's ridiculous to paint this picture in 'shades of conservative' colors. Congressional Republicans haven't been interested in promoting conservatism in ages.
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I'm just saying that it sounds like a weird move. The GOP surely could have come up with an actual conservative that supported Trump but they instead chose a moderate. Why?
 
Crazyhole said:
So the GOP is replacing a hard-core conservative with a moderate? Or is Stefanik the actual conservative in spite of her voting record? I just don't know if this is a move to the right or to the left.
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I think it's very telling about the priorities of the Republican party base right now. It's not some principled conservative philosophy - it's Trump's brand of politics. But I think your right - I do think the party is going to start moving left on economic policy. This is only logical since the country as a whole is moving in that direction.

So what do you get when you combine nationalism with left leaning, pro-worker economic policy? Because that's the path I currently see the party on.
 
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I'm just saying that it sounds like a weird move. The GOP surely could have come up with an actual conservative that supported Trump but they instead chose a moderate. Why?
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She supports Trump where it matters, which is the election lie.
 
The GOP has basically screwed themselves. After the election, and certainly after Jan 6th, the GOP had a choice to make. They could move forward without Trump and try to get the party back on track so to speak, or they could continue to support Trump, which at this point means supporting the election lie. They all know Trump lost the election, this is about making sure they dont lose their voters. After this move, they have basically cemented themselves as the party of Trump, and you either back Trump lies, or you really dont have a place in the party anymore. I think the GOP was kind of screwed either direction they decided to take post election, but I think this decision might be the death knell in the Republican party as we know it. I think after the 2022 midterms, they are going to have a lot more problems.
 
Boosted87 said:
I think it's very telling about the priorities of the Republican party base right now. It's not some principled conservative philosophy - it's Trump's brand of politics. But I think your right - I do think the party is going to start moving left on economic policy. This is only logical since the country as a whole is moving in that direction.

So what do you get when you combine nationalism with left leaning, pro-worker economic policy? Because that's the path I currently see the party on.
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Sounds like national socialism to me
 
Boosted87 said:
I think it's very telling about the priorities of the Republican party base right now. It's not some principled conservative philosophy - it's Trump's brand of politics. But I think your right - I do think the party is going to start moving left on economic policy. This is only logical since the country as a whole is moving in that direction.

So what do you get when you combine nationalism with left leaning, pro-worker economic policy? Because that's the path I currently see the party on.
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I dont really see them on that path. They might talk about it, but what is it that the GOP is actually doing that is pro worker? I think the narrative that we are seeing now tells us how the GOP views workers. Apparently they think everyone is just lazy and wont work, but I hear little to no mention of better wages, benefits, etc and actually providing incentive for people to work. (plus, the "everyone is lazy" schtick isnt even close to the whole story of what is actually happening).
 
When was the last time the GOP offered any ideas for how to govern other than to give the wealthiest Americans a tax break?

The GOP has been on a reactionary, 'Just say Hell no' kick to everything ever since W left office in disgrace.
 
DaShuckster said:
When was the last time the GOP offered any ideas for how to govern other than to give the wealthiest Americans a tax break?

The GOP has been on a reactionary, 'Just say Hell no' kick to everything ever since W left office in disgrace.
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The national GOP is just a reactionary party that loses their mind over whatever is in the news cycle (remember Dr. Seuss?). They are not a serious political outfit.

To be fair, the various state GOPs are incredibly effective and their goal is to make sure as few people as possible vote. They've been incredibly successful across the country in their goal.
 
OLearyLastCall said:
The national GOP is just a reactionary party that loses their mind over whatever is in the news cycle (remember Dr. Seuss?). They are not a serious political outfit.

To be fair, the various state GOPs are incredibly effective and their goal is to make sure as few people as possible vote. They've been incredibly successful across the country in their goal.
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“The Republicans are stopping you from voting for us. So vote for us.”
 
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