But what about the 5th ranked recruiting class happening right now. Tulane, Cincinnati, Memphis, ECU, ahead of us. Doesn't bode well for the future.
We have the basically the exact same recruiting ranking as last year and the year before and both Frost years. Take a lap.
The “blowout loss” to Georgia I’m sure was due to his offense only scoring 28 points. Alabama scored less in the title game. Oklahoma and Auburn were the only teams to score more.
It was 53-28. The running game was nonexistent and I think Lock hit on a few of the Heupel bombs. The same kind of thing we are seeing at UCF
Huh? S&P+ is opponent adjusted. He took over an offense that ranked 123rd in 2015 and when he left in 2017 they were 24th (actually higher prior to the bowl which he did not coach). Is your point that he didn’t improve Missouri’s offense? I’m unclear what you are trying to say at this point. His opponent adjusted offensive efficiency last year was 11th.
He was at Utah State for one season. You can't do much of anything in one season at a non-P5 school....I mean you can at Bama or Ohio State but there are few of those programs.
Larry Coker? You mean the guy who was the OC at Miami for 6 years prior to assuming head coach and then winning a national championship and 3 big east titles before Miami moved to the ACC and irrelevance? Please tell me again how that situation is any way comparable to a coach coming in new to a program without a single returning coach. I’ll help you out. No comparison at all.
My point is that he has made a habit of beating up on bad teams and running into a wall vs most teams with an pulse and certainly post Milton. The jury is out and you have nothing to dispute that point
There are a lot of coaches who could have gone 16-3 with that talent. Are you disputing that?
Well good teams are harder to beat. Maybe that’s something we can agree on. But average to bad teams he has put away in the first quarter. So at least he has that on GOL ball.
Maybe. But one of them actually did it. Not hypothetically. You know. The one you are constantly complaining about.
Of course you are dismissing that Utah State season
He actually get credit for 16-3 as he is the head coach. Sorry. Just the way it is.
In your mind. In my mind he’s 4-3 in the last 7
Sugarcoating it. The NGEbraska coaches aren’t THAT GOOD.
Yes, we can agree on this
His recruit Dillon Gabriel looks pretty good for a true freshman. Eric Gilyard is in the 2-deep at LB. Randy Charlton looks like he could become a stud. A couple of other kids in the 2-deep as well. Obarski does kickoffs as a true freshman (and is 2/2 on extra points). RSFr Osteen is our punter.
Where are all these super recruiters we were hiring? Why do we sit at 5th place in the AAC? Early signing is just around the corner. Let's see some return on investment. Not happy with a participation trophy for 5th place.
Aren’t Gilyard and Charlton Frost recruits? I may be wrong
I can’t speak to “what about Utah State” other than to say they improved incrementally offensively in his only year there while his improvement at Missouri was much more drastic. Could be Utah State wasn’t able to recruit or didn’t have the right athletes to run his offense properly.
Gilyard signed up to play for Heupel. Frost initially recruited him and then left. UCF honored his commitment and he was part of Heupels first class.
I've got no illusions. I always thought we could have an elite team every 3-4 seasons and in-between that we'd probably struggle a season or two due to the influx of new, inexperienced players that need to develop. Like you said, we do not have the luxury of every year having a top 10 recruiting class, like an Ohio State or Bama, to overcome some areas of the field that might struggle with quality depth. What I'm hoping we get to as a program is that a "down" season is like 8 wins instead of like 4 wins in the past. That would show a marked improvement in the overall talent and execution of our program. Even programs like Ohio State have hiccups and look mortal. In 2011, they went 6-7 (3-5) under the Luke Fickell experiement. That lasted one season. Oklahoma went 8-5 (5-4) in 2014. In 2010, Georgia was 6-7 (3-5). In 2013 Georgia went 8-5. In 2016 Georgia went 8-5. Every 3 years or so they have regressed, probably due to having to play young, inexperienced players. It happens to almost every team except probably 3-4 programs.
They signed for the 2018 class. Heupel was the coach. They signed to play under him.
I guess I come from a different mindset than some others on this board. I am an old fart as far as UCF fans go. I started school there in 1984 and I have traveled the country going to games and being a fan. From my perspective I have been told for the last 35 years what UCF "should be" and believe me the lingo has not changed all that much (location, school size, etc.). So I have a hard time believing that UCF has finally reached that potential. I tend to believe that the last 2 years was a bit of an aberration. 2017 was the perfect storm of players, coach, AD and 2018 was an extension of some of that. I would like to believe that it will be enough to help make us more attractive to players, coaches and conferences. But to that I think we have hit a bit of a glass ceiling. I think the only way that we as fans of a program continue to grow has more to do with our attitude toward the players and administration rather than the outside world. If UCF can grow its fan loyalty internally and keep a good attitude even in the face of bad games and make it more about the pageantry rather than the rankings we will continue to grow. I think the minute that we try to be something we are not (like be a UF or a UM or a NE) then we will lose what makes us special and we will become just another ho hum program. This includes acting like the coach needs to be fired every ten minutes. That talk is so tiring from other programs and even more so from our fans. That is why I LOVE that we have a national championship banner on the stadium. It says we are different. It says we don't give a damn what you think. It helps bond us as a program. We need to keep that attitude even more when we lose. If we try and keep up with the other programs and be like them we are lost.
A lot of coaches. I don’t know what the heck that guy is. He couldn’t even win them all with Flowers who was handed to him
