What we know about the mRNA vaccines

[Crazyhole]

9 months in, so we're starting to get a clearer picture of what we are looking at here. This is not intended to be a troll or flame thread, just facts or safe assumptions. UCFBS, if you chime in, please keep your responses brief.

1. They appear to be safe, with most serious side effects occurring within hours. Typical of any vaccine.

2. Myocarditis is a side effect among younger people, but it tends to go away within a few weeks.

3. Efficacy is strong to begin with, and after 6-8 weeks it starts dropping. After 6 months it does little to stop symptomatic cases, but the symptoms are mild.

4. They don't appear to be terribly effective against variants, but its still hard to quantify that.


Add any facts or safe assumptions here, but please don't turn this into another shitshow thread.

 

[Happy Hands]

5. They don’t neutralize the virus so they won’t lead to herd immunity.

6. They are most useful in the above 65 and health complications crowd. Natural immunity is immensely more effective, but Covid is a bitch for a largely unhealthy population, so...

 

[hemightbejeremy]

5. They don’t neutralize the virus so they won’t lead to herd immunity.

6. They are most useful in the above 65 and health complications crowd. Natural immunity is immensely more effective, but Covid is a bitch for a largely unhealthy population, so...

Best course of action is to get the vaccine. Then later get a non lethal bout of Covid. That’s the most effective at building antibodies and minimizing hospitalization and death risk.

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

Best course of action is to get the vaccine. Then later get a non lethal bout of Covid. That’s the most effective at building antibodies and minimizing hospitalization and death risk.

You didn't number your option, GOT DAMMIT!!!!!!!

 

[Crazyhole]

Best course of action is to get the vaccine. Then later get a non lethal bout of Covid. That’s the most effective at building antibodies and minimizing hospitalization and death risk.

It definitely looks that way. They apparently don't really immunize people but do a really good job of mitigating the symptoms when you catch it. That, in and of itself, is a hell of an advancement due to how quickly they can be produced. Kind of an interim treatment until a cure or traditional vaccine comes along.

 

[Happy Hands]

Best course of action is to get the vaccine. Then later get a non lethal bout of Covid. That’s the most effective at building antibodies and minimizing hospitalization and death risk.

I wonder how the body builds immunity against covid when it is caught after vaccine. Is the mRNA spike protein so dominant that it hinders the body’s ability to produce immunity toward other antigens within the virus? I looked for answers to this a while back but couldn’t find anything.
I’ve had Covid, so the vaccine would be of little use and possibly even counterproductive to the immunity I have built.

 

[hemightbejeremy]

I wonder how the body builds immunity against covid when it is caught after vaccine. Is the mRNA spike protein so dominant that it hinders the body’s ability to produce immunity toward other antigens within the virus? I looked for answers to this a while back but couldn’t find anything.
I’ve had Covid, so the vaccine would be of little use and possibly even counterproductive to the immunity I have built.

It will be of use once places start requiring proof of vaccination for entry. But probably not needed soon after getting Covid.

 

[Ucfmikes]

Just heard this morning from a women that I have known for years husband died from Covid 2 days ago. 58 years old. He’s been all over Facebook bashing the vaccine as being too new. I mean a total anti-vaxxer.

“But we just don’t know!”

Should have got the jab. 💉 Morons.

 

[Crazyhole]

Just heard this morning from a women that I have known for years husband died from Covid 2 days ago. 58 years old. He’s been all over Facebook bashing the vaccine as being too new. I mean a total anti-vaxxer.

“But we just don’t know!”

Should have got the jab. 💉 Morons.

Today a 49 year old acquaintance of mine died and he was vaccinated. The anecdotal evidence means nothing at this point.

 

[Ucfmikes]

The person you have known for years you're now calling a moron after he died. Either you're full of sh!t or you weren't a good friend.

I know the wife, but shit for brains once again misses the point. That’s why YOU are morons. He was dumb and a moron

 

[Ucfmikes]

Today a 49 year old acquaintance of mine died and he was vaccinated. The anecdotal evidence means nothing at this point.

Your a liar. The same shit for brains suicidal, Covid faker has no credibility. You just like attention

 

[Crazyhole]

Your a liar. The same shit for brains suicidal, Covid faker has no credibility. You just like attention

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[Ucfmikes]

EPHS Boys Basketball coach Reetz passes away

A shocking release from the Estes Park School District went out on Wednesday afternoon announcing the tragic passing of the Estes Park High School Boys Basketball coach Jason Reetz. “Yesterda…

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There’s really no need to argue this moot point anymore, but to just say that you need to get a life. You do realize that your 24/7 obsession with this site is read by less than 10 people.

 

[Crazyhole]

There’s really no need to argue this moot point anymore, but to just say that you need to get a life. You do realize that your 24/7 obsession with this site is read by less than 10 people.

All you had to do was offer up some level of productive input into the discussion like everyone else has done so far. If you have any fact based thoughts on the topic they are more than welcome. Statistics are good. Safe assumptions are good. Angry drunk rebuttals can be reserved for the other thread if you don't mind.

 

[Ucfmikes]

All you had to do was offer up some level of productive input into the discussion like everyone else has done so far. If you have any fact based thoughts on the topic they are more than welcome. Statistics are good. Safe assumptions are good. Angry drunk rebuttals can be reserved for the other thread if you don't mind.

Uh.. I just finished up at work and am at the gym. You do neither. Just live in your mothers basement 24/7, have no life and post useless information on a free UCF message board. You’re a worthless POS

 

[Happy Hands]

It will be of use once places start requiring proof of vaccination for entry. But probably not needed soon after getting Covid.

Yeah, once the tyranny really kicks in, I’ll have to reassess my position....while I’m sitting in a FEMA camp playing UNO with the rest of the unvaxxed. Hopefully the Omega super vaccine resistant mutant variant doesn’t get into the camp. At least not on Taco Tuesday.

 

[UCFBS]

It will be of use once places start requiring proof of vaccination for entry.

Exactly his point. Dr. Rand Paul, MD's point. And everyone with a logical brain, let alone freedom loving instinct. This is "Science!" not actual science. Hence ...

P1) Vaccine Passports Are NOT Actually About Protecting, Reducing Spread, Etc...

Spoiler: Politics

It's papers for papers' sake, and not actually useful.
And Big Tech isn't even interested in interoperating systems either

SIDE NOTE: I'm knee-deep in these discussions given the Boards and Advisory Councils I serve on as an Officer. Big Tech is utterly against standards and interoperability, they want more contracts, not shared ones.

But probably not needed soon after getting Covid.

All mRNA vaccines do for those who have a natural immunity is boost their blood-bourne IgG anti-bodies. There is good evidence that it cannot hurt. But ... the natural immunity itself also provides IgM and, most importantly, IgA in the respiratory tract. I.e., it actually sterilizes and largely eliminates spread, unlike mRNA vaccines. Hence ...

P2) Vaccine Passports Will NOT Cover Natural Immunity, Recovery or Anti-body Levels

Spoiler: Politics

That is not debated except by the 3rd grader US Media and politicians.

The bigger question is ... how much do mRNA vaccines help, or hinder, building natural immunity after vaccination, when exposed? Based on the new bout of SARS-CoV (2003) and MERS-CoV (2009) data, natural immunity lasts years, and massively reduces spread, of SARS-CoV-2.

Which is why I'm really becoming a huge ****ing skeptic after 18 months of this sh--. Especially with the Big Tech special interest and people not interested in sharing or interoperability. But the mob continues their 'government knows best,' and we are so ****ed.

All you had to do was offer up some level of productive input into the discussion like everyone else has done so far. If you have any fact based thoughts on the topic they are more than welcome. Statistics are good. Safe assumptions are good. Angry drunk rebuttals can be reserved for the other thread if you don't mind.

And you're surprised?