What would have to happen for AAC to get Power Status? P5 -> P6

[muckdawg24]

Pardon my ignorance but I know Aresco has talked about the AAC being part of the Power 5 conferences. I know we lost the BCS tag after 2013, but in the new format how would the AAC go about getting into a Power Status, thus creating six power conferences instead of five? I'm not saying it's going to happen, just what WOULD have to happen for this to occur? Thanks!

 

[Square Knight]

"When hell freezes over!"

"When donkeys fly!"

Let's see who is old enough to know the reference for the second one.

 

[Happy Hands]

You'd have to get a DeLorean with a Flux capacitor up to 88 mph, then establish the programs that are currently in the AAC. That way the dumb old people that decide the rules will recognize the names from when they were a kid.

 

[igKnight]

It's quite simple, actually. There would have to be a huge surplus of revenue, more than what the P5 could handle, so that they would have no choice but to share it with another conference.

 

[MechaKnight]

1) Get ESPN to give us a 1000% raise
2) Get one of the NY6 bowls to give the AAC a permanent bid
3) Get the P5 to give us a vote on autonomy issues
4) Get the CFP committee to give us a permanent representative

None of those things are going to happen

 

[muckdawg24]

Like i said, I know it's probably not going to happen but I'm curious what would need to happen, thanks MechaKnight, the only decent response.

 

[Happy Hands]

Like i said, I know it's probably not going to happen but I'm curious what would need to happen, thanks MechaKnight, the only decent response.

Can't get a DeLorean, say you can't get a DeLorean. You don't have to be a jerk about it. I'm tryna help you out.

 

[Knight_Classes_begin_7pm]

1) Get ESPN to give us a 1000% raise
2) Get one of the NY6 bowls to give the AAC a permanent bid
3) Get the P5 to give us a vote on autonomy issues
4) Get the CFP committee to give us a permanent representative

None of those things are going to happen

Interesting

 

[muckdawg24]

Can't get a DeLorean, say you can't get a DeLorean. You don't have to be a jerk about it. I'm tryna help you out.

rofl

 

[SublimeKnight]

I think zombie apocalypse is the most likely scenario.

 

[firm_bizzle]

You'd have to get a DeLorean with a Flux capacitor up to 88 mph, then establish the programs that are currently in the AAC. That way the dumb old people that decide the rules will recognize the names from when they were a kid.

Great Scott Hands! This 2015. Where do you think I'm going to find a Flux capacitor? Publix?

 

[EngAlum98]

We abandon all in-conference games and only schedule against the SEC.

 

[KNIGHTTIME^]

Go back in the time machine and have the big east add houston, ucf, Memphis, keep temple, etc so when the breakup happened in 2013 we were already power teams across the league.

The irony of usf blocking us is the big 12 might want a package deal. Would have been easier if both teams were previously power conference teams.

 

[IsOwenThere]

Not having teams go 0-12 would be a nice start

 

[UCFan9906]

1) Get ESPN to give us a 1000% raise
2) Get one of the NY6 bowls to give the AAC a permanent bid
3) Get the P5 to give us a vote on autonomy issues
4) Get the CFP committee to give us a permanent representative

None of those things are going to happen

#3 - pretty sure non-P5 already have a vote...problem is P5 get 2 votes each.

 

[UCFan9906]

1) Get ESPN to give us a 1000% raise
2) Get one of the NY6 bowls to give the AAC a permanent bid
3) Get the P5 to give us a vote on autonomy issues
4) Get the CFP committee to give us a permanent representative

None of those things are going to happen

If #2 happened and AAC had OoC wins similar to this year for 4 of next 5 years then #1 could be possible.

Needs to happen prior to current playoff contract expires or it won't happen.

 

[goodknightfl]

#2 will never happen. Heck we cant even beat out an SEC 8 for a bowl with our #1.

 

[UCFhonors]

Once the playoffs expand to 8 teams, the AAC should get it's P6 status back.

Once the playoffs expand to 16 teams, none of the P5-6 nonBCS, g5, BCS crap will matter.

It only took 4 years for the FCS to go from 4 to 8 teams. Expansion to 16 years only took 9 years.

Now it will be harder in FBS bc of the current playoff contract goes until 2025 and ND forces there to be special rules for them and bc of the big bowls have owned FBS postseason. That will be worked out over the next 10-20 years. ND special rules is unfair to everyone. Bowls are leeches now, not adding $ and value to FBS like they did in the past. And ESPN can always have their contract broken or changed.

There are just too many reasons for a 16 playoff. $$$ being the biggest one. Fair competition is probably not a top 5 reason.

A 16 team playoff would encourage teams to be the best in the weakest conference. That could change everything.

There is one absolute certainty in cfb. Nothing stays the same. And I love UCF chances in the future. We very well should be the top team in the AAC which should have an autobid.

 

[UCFhonors]

Another possible way would be an antitrust case. That would destroy the 2nd class relegation of the G5 status and take away the unfair advantages of the P5. But it's very unlikely to see the justice dept to see a case where govt institutions are accused of blatantly breaking federal laws.

 

[Stormthecourt?]

Another possible way would be an antitrust case. That would destroy the 2nd class relegation of the G5 status and take away the unfair advantages of the P5. But it's very unlikely to see the justice dept to see a case where govt institutions are accused of blatantly breaking federal laws.

So you're saying we need a US senator who went to UCF to start threatening an antitrust investigation?

 

[KnightedHusker]

Once the playoffs expand to 8 teams, the AAC should get it's P6 status back.

Once the playoffs expand to 16 teams, none of the P5-6 nonBCS, g5, BCS crap will matter.

It only took 4 years for the FCS to go from 4 to 8 teams. Expansion to 16 years only took 9 years.

Now it will be harder in FBS bc of the current playoff contract goes until 2025 and ND forces there to be special rules for them and bc of the big bowls have owned FBS postseason. That will be worked out over the next 10-20 years. ND special rules is unfair to everyone. Bowls are leeches now, not adding $ and value to FBS like they did in the past. And ESPN can always have their contract broken or changed.

There are just too many reasons for a 16 playoff. $$$ being the biggest one. Fair competition is probably not a top 5 reason.

A 16 team playoff would encourage teams to be the best in the weakest conference. That could change everything.

There is one absolute certainty in cfb. Nothing stays the same. And I love UCF chances in the future. We very well should be the top team in the AAC which should have an autobid.

I don't think you'll see 16 team playoff - but 8 seems likely at some point. 8 games means you reduce many teams by a game, 16 maybe reducing two in the regular season.

That is a ton of stadium and regular season tv revenue that the extra playoff games would need to recover. Take Penn State, Alabama, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Michigan and other teams that draw consistently 90-100k fans. A game represents $5mm plus in revenue (as an example, with pro-rated seat licenses, EACH home game at Nebraska is worth over $8 million in ticket/seat revenue this year). Throw in $35 million in tv rights this year (not including bowls) and there is motivation to not expand playoffs too far.

If/when they move to 8 teams, that means two teams would play 16 games (12 reg season, one conf champ, three playoff games). If they could make the first round of the playoffs the conference championships to fill six spots and have two at large, a case could be made for one more power conference - but would the P5 let that happen? Why wouldn't they demand 5 spots, open fill the other three to include at least one non P5 team? That seems to be the way they roll.

IMO, if the Big 12 came calling, that is the shortest UCF route to P5. Their need for a playoff game is big enough that something is going to happen there or they run the risk of dissolving with a UT and/or OU leaving. If the Big 12 dissolved - then cue up AAC or a reconstructed Big 12 combo platter with UCF. UCF can make itself an attractive addition - especially located in Florida with a huge student/alumni potential.

Of course none of this will be right, something mooky will happen and all the seats will rearrange some how next year....

 

[UCFhonors]

I don't think you'll see 16 team playoff - but 8 seems likely at some point. 8 games means you reduce many teams by a game, 16 maybe reducing two in the regular season.

That is a ton of stadium and regular season tv revenue that the extra playoff games would need to recover. Take Penn State, Alabama, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Michigan and other teams that draw consistently 90-100k fans. A game represents $5mm plus in revenue (as an example, with pro-rated seat licenses, EACH home game at Nebraska is worth over $8 million in ticket/seat revenue this year). Throw in $35 million in tv rights this year (not including bowls) and there is motivation to not expand playoffs too far.

If/when they move to 8 teams, that means two teams would play 16 games (12 reg season, one conf champ, three playoff games). If they could make the first round of the playoffs the conference championships to fill six spots and have two at large, a case could be made for one more power conference - but would the P5 let that happen? Why wouldn't they demand 5 spots, open fill the other three to include at least one non P5 team? That seems to be the way they roll.

IMO, if the Big 12 came calling, that is the shortest UCF route to P5. Their need for a playoff game is big enough that something is going to happen there or they run the risk of dissolving with a UT and/or OU leaving. If the Big 12 dissolved - then cue up AAC or a reconstructed Big 12 combo platter with UCF. UCF can make itself an attractive addition - especially located in Florida with a huge student/alumni potential.

Of course none of this will be right, something mooky will happen and all the seats will rearrange some how next year....

FCS has a 16 team playoff with 11 regular season games. Losing one regular season game means way less Fcs teams scheduled by the FBS.

 

[UCFhonors]

So you're saying we need a US senator who went to UCF to start threatening an antitrust investigation?

It worked for Utah with Orrin Hatch.

 

[KnightedHusker]

FCS has a 16 team playoff with 11 regular season games. Losing one regular season game means way less Fcs teams scheduled by the FBS.

True story and good point, but that was a money uptick for FCS teams, not a down tick like it could be for many of P5 teams.

16 games is a lot to ask of college players, FCS or any. One of the linemen on NDSU is a family friend? They've been in the title game and won four straight years. That kid is beat up before the playoffs start, let alone afte playoffs.

 

[firm_bizzle]

True story and good point, but that was a money uptick for FCS teams, not a down tick like it could be for many of P5 teams.

16 games is a lot to ask of college players, FCS or any. One of the linemen on NDSU is a family friend? They've been in the title game and won four straight years. That kid is beat up before the playoffs start, let alone afte playoffs.

High school players play 15 games. NFL players play 18-19 games. 16 in college is reasonable.

 

[UKnight]

Here's another way to gain inclusion and to be relevant. Act like the AAC is major conference. Every team in the conference needs to expand their stadiums to at least 50,000 seats. Every school in this conference sells out those seats every game no matter who you are playing. The P5 couldn't ignore that and neither could ESPN. But most fans in the AAC can't see the forest for the trees. That would require alumni of the schools to give a damn. How could a conference galvanize that many alums at once? Think on it?

 

[UCFhonors]

True story and good point, but that was a money uptick for FCS teams, not a down tick like it could be for many of P5 teams.

16 games is a lot to ask of college players, FCS or any. One of the linemen on NDSU is a family friend? They've been in the title game and won four straight years. That kid is beat up before the playoffs start, let alone afte playoffs.

FBS has 85 schollys and players which is way more than FCS or even the NFL. So the FBS should be substituting more and able to play as many games as others leagues.

 

[UCFhonors]

True story and good point, but that was a money uptick for FCS teams, not a down tick like it could be for many of P5 teams.

16 games is a lot to ask of college players, FCS or any. One of the linemen on NDSU is a family friend? They've been in the title game and won four straight years. That kid is beat up before the playoffs start, let alone afte playoffs.

Also it's not the number of games but the number of plays. It's already been proven that cfb has less plays per game than the NFL. It's like playing one less game.

I just hate when people say we can't or shouldn't do what is right bc it will be difficult or bc of some minor issue. It's majoring in the minor. Not seeing the Forrest through the trees.

We need a 16 team playoffs for a legit NC.

 

[KnightedHusker]

Also it's not the number of games but the number of plays. It's already been proven that cfb has less plays per game than the NFL. It's like playing one less game.

I just hate when people say we can't or shouldn't do what is right bc it will be difficult or bc of some minor issue. It's majoring in the minor. Not seeing the Forrest through the trees.

We need a 16 team playoffs for a legit NC.

"In the NFL, the average number of offensive plays is 64 a game. It's 72 in the top tier of college football."

From this article:
http://www.oregonlive.com/collegefootball/index.ssf/2014/12/college_football_games_are_get.html

FYI - I'm not against a 16 team playoff, I'm just saying its a tough sell.