Why does AAC media contract suck so bad?

[C-MontCityKnight2]

I was looking at Big 12. The league makes roughly $296 million more than AAC per year.

Remove Texas and Oklahoma and isn't the Big 12 essentially the AAC? Schools with 55,000 seat (or smaller) stadiums in medium-to-small media markets with a couple dumpy teams at the bottom, and 1-2 decent basketball programs.

Are Texas and Oklahoma really worth $296 million! If so, they are idiots for joining a conference.

I think our commissioner needs to shop us around. We can do better.

 

[Mikesi]

I was looking at Big 12. The league makes roughly $296 million more than AAC per year.

Remove Texas and Oklahoma and isn't the Big 12 essentially the AAC? Schools with 55,000 seat (or smaller) stadiums in medium-to-small media markets with a couple dumpy teams at the bottom, and 1-2 decent basketball programs.

Are Texas and Oklahoma really worth $296 million! If so, they are idiots for joining a conference.

I think our commissioner needs to shop us around. We can do better.

AAC is G5

Big 12 is P5

That's why we are trying to get into a power conference. More $$$$$. If it's not factual, then it's perception. People rather see Big-12 football vs AAC football. Except for Houston right now.

 

[UCFhonors]

I was looking at Big 12. The league makes roughly $296 million more than AAC per year.

Remove Texas and Oklahoma and isn't the Big 12 essentially the AAC? Schools with 55,000 seat (or smaller) stadiums in medium-to-small media markets with a couple dumpy teams at the bottom, and 1-2 decent basketball programs.

Are Texas and Oklahoma really worth $296 million! If so, they are idiots for joining a conference.

I think our commissioner needs to shop us around. We can do better.

Great point. Been saying this, "Remove Texas and Oklahoma and isn't the Big 12 essentially the AAC." for years. And that we should've tried to be the premier conference of FS1 when the AAC was created.

We can't shop around until the contract is done which I think end around ~2022 unless we add or delete teams. I believe there is a clause that in 2018 if any major shifts happen like if we are included in the playoff then the TV deal get renegotiated.

 

[KNIGHTTIME^]

NBC screwed us with that low ball $2 million offer than ESPN just had to match. If we can get a few different bids fighting for content, we might get a good increase. We need to get Fox to make a push. They are spending $4 million per team for the Big East which is only basketball. That is how undervalued we are right now.

 

[ucfversusbcs]

I disagree on football albeit good points are made. I think the Big 12 has some good programs and better support compared to teams in the American. Would the TV contract be reduceed if Texas and Oklahoma left? Sure. Would it be worth more than what the American has. Of course.
I do agree think that we've been undervalued for sometime and the addition of Navy has made the point clear.
I wish the American powers that be can be more aggressive and seek renegotiations on a regular basis. At the same, i do understand that can't be possible due to the volatility of the sports networks as of late (ESPN and Fox Sports laying off employees etc).

 

[KNIGHTTIME^]

I disagree on football albeit good points are made. I think the Big 12 has some good programs and better support compared to teams in the American. Would the TV contract be reduceed if Texas and Oklahoma left? Sure. Would it be worth more than what the American has. Of course.
I do agree think that we've been undervalued for sometime and the addition of Navy has made the point clear.
I wish the American powers that be can be more aggressive and seek renegotiations on a regular basis. At the same, i do understand that can't be possible due to the volatility of the sports networks as of late (ESPN and Fox Sports laying off employees etc).

I'm not sure it was worth that much more without Texas or Oklahoma vs AAC contract. Small markets and they would have declining attendance not having them on the schedule. What is the huge viewership draw outside of Texas and Oklahoma?

 

[jetsaholic]

I don't see how Iowa vs. Kansas is a better TV draw than Temple vs Memphis. Sans Texas & Oklahoma, the B12 is an outdated conference with zero sex appeal. They won't survive another purge.

 

[SiberianKnightmare]

The Big 12 started dying when Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri and TAMU left. Those were 4 storied programs with big fan followings. Be0ofre they left, the Big 12 was a legit P5 conference. Now? They're a shadow of their former self. Adding WVU and TCU helped a little, but not enough. That's why I think it's important for them to do something outside the box and expand into Florida. Even bringing in US..gag..cough...gag...F along with UCF. They aren't going to get established traditional programs like the ones they lost, so go after who could be huge in the future.

 

[jetsaholic]

The Big 12 started dying when Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri and TAMU left. Those were 4 storied programs with big fan followings. Be0ofre they left, the Big 12 was a legit P5 conference. Now? They're a shadow of their former self. Adding WVU and TCU helped a little, but not enough. That's why I think it's important for them to do something outside the box and expand into Florida. Even bringing in US..gag..cough...gag...F along with UCF. They aren't going to get established traditional programs like the ones they lost, so go after who could be huge in the future.

This is too forward thinking for the good 'ol boys in charge of the B12. They should call themselves the Big East of the Midwest.

 

[ucfversusbcs]

Big 12 can definitely be exposed if you match up Kansas vs Iowa State but with Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU (in Dallas btw), Okie State, Kansas State and West Virginia and its still a more appealing and better supported conference than the American is at the moment.

 

[MechaKnight]

Yes, UT and OU bring 90% of the value to that conference. Losing Nebraska and A&M hurt them badly.

Who are the 2 best schools after UT/OU? Probably Kansas and Oklahoma State, right? If the AAC swapped out UConn and Houston for Kansas and Oklahoma State, would anyone notice?

 

[jetsaholic]

Big 12 can definitely be exposed if you match up Kansas vs Iowa State but with Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU (in Dallas btw), Okie State, Kansas State and West Virginia and its still a more appealing and better supported conference than the American is at the moment.

I disagree. Only thing keeping that conference together is Texas and Oklahoma. Oki State has the facilities and the money to be even bigger than both, yet they can't. That conference's saving grace is the fact that college football NEEDS a power conference in the Midwest for the sake of parity.

 

[80'sKnight]

Looking at it the wrong way, except for this year and Houston, what team comes even close to UT or Okla? As for Houston, who's watching them? Outside of their cities, who's watching an AAC team? The Big 12 probably have a few teams that somebody watches outside of the top 2, but I doubt the AAC has anyone. Really wish it was different.

 

[KNIGHTTIME^]

Big 12 can definitely be exposed if you match up Kansas vs Iowa State but with Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU (in Dallas btw), Okie State, Kansas State and West Virginia and its still a more appealing and better supported conference than the American is at the moment.

TCU is a smaller private school similar to SMU. So if they lose their head coach and become .500 they can quickly become a SMU. WVU, Oklahoma State, etc might be slightly more appealing but not really a huge gap. You have to remember the conference would lose massive eyeballs with Texas and Oklahoma. Attendance and everything else would be impacted. American has Navy and others that draw "ok" ratings.

 

[Poolside Knight]

Great point. Been saying this, "Remove Texas and Oklahoma and isn't the Big 12 essentially the AAC." for years. And that we should've tried to be the premier conference of FS1 when the AAC was created.

We can't shop around until the contract is done which I think end around ~2022 unless we add or delete teams. I believe there is a clause that in 2018 if any major shifts happen like if we are included in the playoff then the TV deal get renegotiated.

*Looks at Iowa State*

every time I think about this Power 5 divide and how much it's screwing UCF I think of schools like Iowa State that were grandfathered in while being in a market that is smaller than Waterford Lakes

Give Danny White and Frost Big12/ACC money to work with and if you thought UCF's facilities were nice now....

 

[UCFhonors]

*Looks at Iowa State*

every time I think about this Power 5 divide and how much it's screwing UCF I think of schools like Iowa State that were grandfathered in while being in a market that is smaller than Waterford Lakes

Give Danny White and Frost Big12/ACC money to work with and if you thought UCF's facilities were nice now....

I say as much on the jv board all the time.

On the counter, we are just getting started. I believe we are putting UCF in position to get paid and to win long term. Most of the "p5" get paid to lose.

Heck most of the AAC just recently have been putting money into their programs to compete long term - yes that include Cinci. I truly think by 2025 (the year many tv deals and the playoffs contracts expire) that if the AAC can stay intact we will earn our "p5 / BCS status" back. When that happens UCF should look like Texas / OU of the AAC.

 

[UCFProf]

I was looking at Big 12. The league makes roughly $296 million more than AAC per year. Remove Texas and Oklahoma and isn't the Big 12 essentially the AAC? Schools with 55,000 seat (or smaller) stadiums in medium-to-small media markets with a couple dumpy teams at the bottom, and 1-2 decent basketball programs. Are Texas and Oklahoma really worth $296 million! If so, they are idiots for joining a conference. I think our commissioner needs to shop us around. We can do better.

I've always agreed. The Big Ten would benefit far more by adding a Florida team than the Big 12 would because the midwest schools recruit far more heavily here than the Texas/Oklahoma/Kansas/Iowa St. group does. The Big Ten would do best if they go to 16 with UCF and either Houston or BYU. That gets them the most long-term market strength and recruiting visibility.

 

[muckdawg24]

B12 expansion is the biggest c*ck tease ever.

 

[ThanksBeToFrost]

Texas is the biggest market in the country as far as revenue and TV deals are just drooling over them. If/When the Big 12 falls apart whoever lands Texas will win the media contract war. The problem is Texas refuses to give up a failing longhorn network and nobody will take them in until it ends. Its also the sole reason why the conference has failed and fallen behind. Texas is a conference nightmare and a cash cow all at the same time.

 

[Sultan__of__Swine]

The AAC screwed up when they added Tulane and Tulsa. Those schools bring nothing to the table. Should have stayed at 10 or looked elsewhere for other schools.

 

[SiberianKnightmare]

I wish the SEC would just take us. They have 2 teams in Alabama. 2 teams in Mississippi. 2 teams in Tennessee. Why not 2 teams in Florida?