I have my theories...but curious what excuses others have (particularly Knight_Light and NASAKNIGHT). The kid is lights out.
Why is Shaquem Griffin's talent just now being realized?
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I think he sabotaged GOL/Key by not playing hard in practice and hiding his talent.
My guess is a lot of it has to do with him being a Junior and actually playing. That's pretty typical of a lot of college players.
I agree why wasn't he on the field but also they had him at safety. With the new defensive scheme they are playing now it allows for fast outside and middle linebackers to blitz the QB and to also drop in coverage. The move to linebacker was a blessing for him.
not playing under a D Coordinator that USF fired
I'm just going to say it, and I was a GOL supporter- Happy he was here, happy he's gone. I think he was just offered for us to get his brother. That is what I got from the ESPN interview. I think he felt that too last year. Now he's finally got coaches who either saw the possibility and found a spot he'd excel in, or they got really lucky. If you remember earlier in the year, maybe preseason, when it was mentioned he would be a LB, it was said his father had thought that for a year or so.
What's funny is how Knight_Light will post in threads all day long, but won't say a word in this one. Whenever there is something to be critical of GOL for he is noticeably absent.
It is clear that GOL had no concept of how to use talent. We won in 2013 despite him. How we have a kid like Shaquem on the team for 3 years (!!) and never realized he was actually good?
But alas, I digress. Hey, did you hear we are building a statue for that sack of air?
It is clear that GOL had no concept of how to use talent. We won in 2013 despite him. How we have a kid like Shaquem on the team for 3 years (!!) and never realized he was actually good?
But alas, I digress. Hey, did you hear we are building a statue for that sack of air?
There are lots of players that don't do much until it just clicks, and that may include switching positions. More often than not a kid is a junior or senior when it all comes together. As a counter to this one player, how about GOL recruiting Latavious as a RB when almost everybody else wanted him to be a LB. Same goes for 24k....at least as far as playing RB. Didn't most interest for Blake come at TE? I forgot, did all these guys go on to play in the NFL??? We can go all day at this and cherry pick but it doesn't really matter and doesn't mean anything. There are 85-100 (or more) kids you bring into a program and do the best you can with them. Not everyone is pigeon-holed into one position. Sometimes you figure out the best role for a kid, other times you don't. This is the same for every staff at every program. Sometimes you knock it out of the park...and other times you strike out. That's just life.
Shaquem improved as a player and he switched positions. He's a late bloomer. Period.
Was his growth stunted in the old regime and with the old defensive coordinator? Maybe, but who knows for sure. This style of defense lets you roam around much more freely, take chances, and blitz more with less emphasis on getting beatdown for making a mistake.
Was his growth stunted in the old regime and with the old defensive coordinator? Maybe, but who knows for sure. This style of defense lets you roam around much more freely, take chances, and blitz more with less emphasis on getting beatdown for making a mistake.
All of the good reasons above. In the new defense he was given the chance to shine
as he gained muscle weight and plays a DB/LB role.
There was no evil plot against him.
as he gained muscle weight and plays a DB/LB role.
There was no evil plot against him.
Could it be that he did not fit into the previous defensive scheme? Or that he did not fully develop until he was a Junior? Or that the previous administration just missed on his potential as a LB instead of a safety? No, it was purposeful racist decision.
Yes GOL just blundered into his way into Championships, bowl games, top draft picks etc.. That was just luck. But 0-12 he was fully responsible for that and EP. Soon you will be protesting outside of BHNS because you don't have a "safe place" from GOL oppression
All defensive players had their growth stunted last year with terrible coaching that started looking for their next job midway through the season. Kudos to the guys for redeeming theirself this year, and proving they had no coaching last year. I am sorry they had to endure that in 2015. it was painful for everyone.
GOL doesn't get to take credit for Murray. He benched him constantly...including after he was bowl MVP and basically won the game single handedly.
Thats right GOL does not get credit for good things. Only bad! I mean when he goes to NY (gasp!) to recruit a player and that player turns down an offer from Syracuse to play for GOL and then ends up being an NFL talent, you cannot get credit for that!. But when you go to NY (gasp!) and recruit a QB who bombs miserably as GOL you do get blamed for that.
That's so far from the truth that it's not even worth arguing. Let's not even bring up his mutiple injures including a serious shoulder injury.
He gets credit from people who deal with facts and not talking based on hate
GOL refused to play RB's until they learned to block on the blitz. You gotta protect the quarterback from injury and help him pick up 3rd downs. Taye eventually learned, and it has served him well in the pros.
On players exceeding expectations:
"There's been a lot of guys that are playing at a higher level than I even thought they could. Part of that has to do with us getting people in the right positions. Shaquem Griffin is an example of that. I think he could play safety, but as an outside linebacker and rushing the passer he's special. I think that's given him an opportunity to exceed what any of us thought he could do. Another factor is kids nowadays, I don't want to sound like an old man, kids nowadays, but a lot of the kids we're coaching are very, very impatient. They think it has to happen now. I was that way when I was coming out as a well-recruited quarterback. I expected to achieve success immediately. I didn't end up starting as a quarterback until my fourth year of college and still had a really good college career. For some kids, it happens quick like it did with Jordan Johnson. Like it did with Trysten Hill. For other kids, it might not happen until year two, year three, maybe year four. That doesn't mean you're not going to have a great college career. Some of these seniors haven't gotten a chance to experience the success they're having individually on the field until this year, in their last year of college football. I think any time that happens, that's an example for young guys that might be redshirting or maybe aren't playing quite as much as they want. If you work hard and stick to it, good things are going to happen."
https://ucf.rivals.com/news/frost-tulsa-s-offense-poses-big-challenge
"There's been a lot of guys that are playing at a higher level than I even thought they could. Part of that has to do with us getting people in the right positions. Shaquem Griffin is an example of that. I think he could play safety, but as an outside linebacker and rushing the passer he's special. I think that's given him an opportunity to exceed what any of us thought he could do. Another factor is kids nowadays, I don't want to sound like an old man, kids nowadays, but a lot of the kids we're coaching are very, very impatient. They think it has to happen now. I was that way when I was coming out as a well-recruited quarterback. I expected to achieve success immediately. I didn't end up starting as a quarterback until my fourth year of college and still had a really good college career. For some kids, it happens quick like it did with Jordan Johnson. Like it did with Trysten Hill. For other kids, it might not happen until year two, year three, maybe year four. That doesn't mean you're not going to have a great college career. Some of these seniors haven't gotten a chance to experience the success they're having individually on the field until this year, in their last year of college football. I think any time that happens, that's an example for young guys that might be redshirting or maybe aren't playing quite as much as they want. If you work hard and stick to it, good things are going to happen."
https://ucf.rivals.com/news/frost-tulsa-s-offense-poses-big-challenge
It's not just simplying shifting their position or better conditioning. The players have said repeatedly that they give much of the credit to schemes specially adapted to take advantage of the unique skill sets of unusual players like Rucker and Shaquem. How opposite to the interchangeable parts approach that many defensive coordinators impose.
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