$15/hour minimum wage in Orlando

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  1. firm_bizzle

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    Disney, Universal, Orange County and another company that I can't think of right now have all pledge to offer a minimum wage of $15/hour beginning in 2021. I wanted to see if there were any business owners out there and what your plans are when this takes effect.

    I foresee other major local employers (UCF, Publix, OCPS) following this trend. I am working to get our minimum wage up to $20/hour by 2021.
     
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    This is obviously going to kill our entire economy.
     
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    i am 100% ok with companies voluntarily raising their minimum wage for workers.
     
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    It will definitely raise the price of a few things. However with the dramatic increase in rent, it probably was needed.
     
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    Publix isn’t going to do that.
     
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    I'm ok with Orlando's tourism industry businesses raising their minimum wage. Just don't tell the gas station owner in a town of 500 people that's 1000 miles away that they have to do the same thing.
     
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    This is how wages are supposed to work. Companies can raise their minimums to attract talent which is hard to do when unemployment is low. It is counterproductive when governments tell businesses they have to raise their wages because it can harm the small businesses and those entering the workforce the most
     
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    As a counter argument (I'm not for or against), the gov't has steadily increased the minimum wage even if just a quarter for a while. I think I got paid $3.75/hour on my first job.
     
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    So basically the huge companies with deep resources can do this and routinely we hear that it’s a huge burden to small businesses when arbitrarily mandated by some brain dead local government

    Shocking*
     
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    $3.35 here, Mr Moneybags
     
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    people like to quote denmark as one of the socialist capitals of the world, yet they have no minimum wage law and mcdonalds workers there make $20hr. how is that possible?
     
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    I can see the need to raise it for inflation but tbh if you didnt evaluate your pay rates as a company you would be out of business trying to get the right people to work for you. Many of the minimum wage jobs are easily replaceable by machines these days.
     
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    There are major downsides to this that aren’t being reported or discussed.

    Full-time workers are now only guaranteed 32 hours a week, instead of the conventional 40. OT will be cracked down upon HARD. And prepare to see more part-time, seasonal, and college intern workers than before. Anything to avoid paying benefits to people.

    I’m learning this from someone with firsthand experience at Disney. We’ll see if Disney’s union responds to this.
     
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    The federal government hasn't raised the minimum wage since 2007 (which took effect in 2009).

    Florida's went up 2.5% this year - as it's tied to inflation. It's currently $8.46.
     
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    welcome back bq
     
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    Simple question:

    If an employer values a person's skillset at $9/hour and offers them a job at that pay rate, and that person accepts that job at that pay rate (indicating that no other offers exist with higher pay), why then do we need to have government paper pushers step in to decide that $9 isn't actually a fair value and mandate $15/hour over night instead?
     
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    All of our workers earn around that $15 per hour mark in their normal job work which is production based pay. Some make a little more. I also pay 15-18 per hour if they are helping us with maintenance on our green houses etc. When we don't have need for harvesting etc, the hourly work I give them I pay $12 per hour. That's for things such as cleaning up weeds etc that is basically busy work . I can't pay 15 for something that essentially is just a money drain. That is optional and if they aren't interested I use contract labor . I think it's pretty fair
     
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    And what happens to the assistant manager at the job who has been there say, 3 years and has earned raises to now make $14 an hour? Does that person accept minimum wage of $15? Bumping the minimum wage like this will create wage and job stagnation.
     
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    It's about time for the federal gov't.
     
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    I don't see this as a downside. Often the employees are BSing just to get 40+ hours when they could get the same amount of work done in 30 hours. More employees working less hours allows for more flexibility in coverage. For the employee, they are getting paid about the same for much less time worked.
     
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    This assumes that they wouldn’t still BS 20% of the time.
     
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    The argument is that the $9/hour worker is on gov't benefits and that the employer should shoulder the burden instead of the gov't.
     
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    It’s not the employer’s duty to shoulder a burden of a “living wage”. It’s up to them to pay the wages that make sense for their business. It does the economy no good for us to push businesses to failure by imposing a “living wage” burden on employers if their business space does not support the burden. The government is stepping in to shoulder the burden because our culture isn’t developing fully functioning adults.
     
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    This is a nonsense statement and false "fact" being paraded around.

    A store owner is going to pay an employee what is fair and agreed upon based upon what that person is doing in their job. They accepted the job and the pay rate. It's not the employer's responsibility to figure out what that person is or isn't doing in their personal life or try to figure out if they're receiving any state aid to decide if they need to pay them differently.

    Besides, it's already proven that government mandated min wage hikes result in job cuts and hour cuts amongst small businesses in the cities they impose them on. So please explain to me how putting more people out of work or with less money reduces their dependence on government assistance?
     
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    Is a 16 year old kid stacking shelves at a small town grocery store needing to make a living wage?
     
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    So if Wal-Mart (or any other multi-national conglomerate) is the major employer in an area and artificially suppresses wages in an area, you are okay with the gov't picking up the tab for food stamps and section 8 for that area?
     
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    lol I respond by wanting to discuss the impact on small businesses and you respond with...……..Wal Mart. The leftie boogeyman that lefties all shop at.

    How does Wal Mart "artificially suppress wages"? Do they line people up at gunpoint and force them to take jobs at wages they want? Because it seems to me like Wal Mart posts a job, someone interviews, they're offered a job at a wage, and that person accepts. Much like how every other business in this country hires people.
     
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    Walmart doesn't suppress wages, they inflate them so they can run small businesses out. Does the guy in a wheelchair greeting people in the front doors really deserve 12 bucks an hour? We should appreciate the opportunities they give their employees, not villianize them for it. There's a lot of other things we can criticize them for, but wages isn't one of them.
     
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    After they ran all the other businesses out of whatever small town they set up in.
     
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    No, they leverage their suppliers in order to run small businesses into the ground. Wal-mart pays $9/hour.
     
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    There's no really point in crying about companies that simply leverage the power of economies of scale to be competitive. Paying more for something at a small business seems romantic until you realize that you can get the same exact item at Wal Mart for far cheaper simply thanks to them leveraging scale to your benefit.

    Also, are you telling me that a local hardware store pays its' stockers far more than Wal Mart pays their stockers? Do small businesses really have the disposable income to overpay for labor?
     
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    I'm not complaining, it's a trade off. You get cheap stuff but crappy jobs. If Wal-mart is the major employer in town, they are setting wages (artificially low).
     
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    So a local supermarket that went out of business was paying their teenage stocker far more than Wal Mart pays that same teenage stocker?
     
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    No. The local hardward store, department store, supermarket, oil change place, optician, garden supply store, electronic store and sports store all had to compete for labor. Now Wal-mart pays everybody $9/hr.
     
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    So much Wal-Mart hate. They pay around the same as Target.
     
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    Wal Mart is now providing all of their employees the chance to attend college for the cost of $1 per day or less depending on their position.

    How many local garden supply stores are putting their people through college for basically free?
     
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    Now I'm questioning why I work at McDonald's that only pays 3.75.


    Sorry shuckster, had to do it
     
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    Online college. Basically, you are anti-small business, got it.
     

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