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That's the temperature here right now. -33 with the windchill factor. The air is so dry that my coffee table top split in half this morning. It sounded like a gunshot went off in my living room and all of the stuff sitting on it fell onto the floor.

Why do I live here?
 
this winter was cold by FL standards with some early fronts in December

I have become less patient with cold weather, have a harder time sleeping with the heat running vs ac
 
Apparently, but nothing's happened yet.
I hope the environmentalists take note of this and maybe decide to give a little bit on either nuclear or hydro-electric. We need a reliable backup for when this kind of stuff happens.
 
Nah...AOC will have us back to our roots. Outside, no power, but not eating meat. Eat a few berries for survival. No cows! No planes!

;)
I'm just saying that if their goal is to be carbon neutral, there are ways that can be accomplished that are still reliable sources of energy. Wanna give up coal? Fine. But that means either saying OK to nuclear or damming up some rivers that will kill some wildlife, or just tell people that they're probably going to die from the cold.
 
Nuclear power is probably the most effective green scenario and the best bang for your buck. Wind mills and other options are terrible cost to produce.

In all seriousness I consider myself an environmentalist.
Turbines and solar arrays are fine, but until we have viable solid state batteries to store the energy they produce on sub-peak, it's not realistic. We need on-demand generation, so more, smaller nuclear plants is the way to go. Either that or more hydroelectric generators which I think is even better, but like I said before, some fish might die.
 
At least 10 people have been killed in Texas trying to use their fireplaces or cars to generate heat that they should’ve had but didn’t because Texas has irresponsibly implemented wind farms without the fossil fuel or battery backups. Hopefully we learn our lesson. I’m waiting to see who the media blame storm will pin the deaths on.
 
At least 10 people have been killed in Texas trying to use their fireplaces or cars to generate heat that they should’ve had but didn’t because Texas has irresponsibly implemented wind farms without the fossil fuel or battery backups. Hopefully we learn our lesson. I’m waiting to see who the media blame storm will pin the deaths on.
Let me get this straight: 10 people died because Texas implemented...wind farms?

If you insist on playing the blame game during a natural crisis in Texas, I'd put it on the state's leadership who hadn't adequately prepared for a cold blast of this magnitude.
 
Let me get this straight: 10 people died because Texas implemented...wind farms?

If you insist on playing the blame game during a natural crisis in Texas, I'd put it on the state's leadership who hadn't adequately prepared for a cold blast of this magnitude.
Nobody prepares for a once in a century event. People are just looking for someone or something to blame.
 
At least 10 people have been killed in Texas trying to use their fireplaces or cars to generate heat that they should’ve had but didn’t because Texas has irresponsibly implemented wind farms without the fossil fuel or battery backups. Hopefully we learn our lesson. I’m waiting to see who the media blame storm will pin the deaths on.
I don't follow the logic at pointing full blame at the implementation of wind farms. When reading up on this, it seems that natural gas, coal, and nuclear account for 80% of Texas' energy generation, whereas wind is only 7%. With natural gas energy production coming to a halt due to the low temperatures and those plants not being properly weatherized, wind farms would never be able to pick up the slack to fully supply the grid with their current implementation.

Texas largely relies on natural gas for power. It wasn’t ready for the extreme cold.
It’s estimated that about 80% of the grid’s capacity, or 67 gigawatts, could be generated by natural gas, coal and some nuclear power. Only 7% of ERCOT’s forecasted winter capacity, or 6 gigawatts, was expected to come from various wind power sources across the state.
 
I don't follow the logic at pointing full blame at the implementation of wind farms. When reading up on this, it seems that natural gas, coal, and nuclear account for 80% of Texas' energy generation, whereas wind is only 7%. With natural gas energy production coming to a halt due to the low temperatures and those plants not being properly weatherized, wind farms would never be able to pick up the slack to fully supply the grid with their current implementation.

Texas largely relies on natural gas for power. It wasn’t ready for the extreme cold.
This. The problem they've had with gas generators is that some of the instrumentation froze up. Nothing sinister, and not the fault of wind turbines alone.
 
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Maybe I rushed to judgement. Abbott has preserved an investigation into the causes. Hopefully they’ll solve the problems. I will say it’s a little hard to figure it out in the media when ERCOT seems to have a malleable story, or at least an incomplete one.

 
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The problem they've had with gas generators is that some of the instrumentation froze up. Nothing sinister, and not the fault of wind turbines alone.
Nope. But Canada operates a whole bunch of wind turbines so let's not act like the issue is the climate, it's trying to get by as cheaply as possible. Once in a blue moon, I guess there's an actual reason for those 'costly' government regulations, huh?
 
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Maybe I rushed to judgement. Abbott has preserved an investigation into the causes. Hopefully they’ll solve the problems. I will say it’s a little hard to figure it out in the media when ERCOT seems to have a malleable story, or at least an incomplete one.

Who knows if those percentages in that article are even accurate. Some other page had a graphic from 2019 showing wind production at 20% for Texas.
 
Nope. But Canada operates a whole bunch of wind turbines so let's not act like the issue is the climate, it's trying to get by as cheaply as possible. Once in a blue moon, I guess there's an actual reason for those 'costly' government regulations, huh?
Well of course Canada would take precautions against negative temperatures, but I can't imagine they do for 110 degree temperatures. I'm assuming you don't drive a snow plow because once every 10 years you might need it to get to the store, or build your house to be hurricane proof.
 
Well of course Canada would take precautions against negative temperatures, but I can't imagine they do for 110 degree temperatures. I'm assuming you don't drive a snow plow because once every 10 years you might need it to get to the store, or build your house to be hurricane proof.
Funny how the board's conservatives blasted California for its power outages during the forest fires, but with Texas, the response is, "Geez, what could the State have done?"

You guys would have us believe America's King of Big Oil lost its power grid because of a NY congresswoman's non-existent Green New Deal? LOL Guess what? Some areas of the country were actually prepared for this crisis because States gave power companies incentives to prepare for this kind of scenario while the Texas state government didn't.
 
Funny how the board's conservatives blasted California for its power outages during the forest fires, but with Texas, the response is, "Geez, what could the State have done?"

You guys would have us believe America's King of Big Oil lost its power grid because of a NY congresswoman's non-existent Green New Deal? LOL Guess what? Some areas of the country were actually prepared for this crisis because States gave power companies incentives to prepare for this kind of scenario while the Texas state government didn't.
How often does California have forest fires? How often does Texas gets sub zero temperatures?

The green new deal has nothing to do with this so I don't know why anybody is bringing it up.
 
How often does California have forest fires? How often does Texas gets sub zero temperatures?
The Texas legislature gambled and lost. No biggie, right? Their mistake only impacts the lives of millions of Texans during sub-zero weather.
The green new deal has nothing to do with this so I don't know why anybody is bringing it up.
I totally agree. But you've got Texas politicians shamelessly using it as a distraction from their own incompetency.
 
The Texas legislature gambled and lost. No biggie, right? Their mistake only impacts the lives of millions of Texans during sub-zero weather.
I totally agree. But you've got Texas politicians shamelessly using it as a distraction from their own incompetency.
You don't gamble on 100-1 odds that require perpetuating investment into it. That's what we are talking about here.
 
Yeah, that was the second take by ERCOT after righties jumped on their first release about the effect on the wind mills. Also remember that ERCOT has a vested interest in the renewables world now so that may color their release. Like I said, their message has been inconsistent.
 
You don't gamble on 100-1 odds that require perpetuating investment into it. That's what we are talking about here.
I'd be careful about playing the odds game if I were you. The last time you did, you gave me 1000 to 1 odds that Trump's post-election game of "I wuz robbed" would ever lead to violence. :)
 
Supposedly Ted Cruz kept his vacation plans and flew to Cancun despite what's happening in his state. Can't help but scratch my head on that one.
 
LOL Turn the (R) to a (D) and these same guys would be losing their shit over a Senator's trip to Cancun during the State's power crisis.

We are all cheering you on as you beat up that strawman. He doesn't stand a chance.
 
Translation: The truth hurts. ;)
Nah. I've been critical of people that told others not to travel or go to indoor dining and then did so themselves, but that's not comparable to this. Just because you are public servant or representative doesn't mean you don't get a vacation sometimes.
 
Nah. I've been critical of people that told others not to travel or go to indoor dining and then did so themselves, but that's not comparable to this. Just because you are public servant or representative doesn't mean you don't get a vacation sometimes.
it is comparable . He represents the people of Texas who are suffering and he flees to Cancun.
It doesn’t matter when he planned it the optics at this time are terrible

I find it funny though considering his rhetoric, Texans & Californians visit Mexico more than the East Coast
 
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it is comparable . He represents the people of Texas who are suffering and he flees to Cancun.
It doesn’t matter when he planned it the optics at this time are terrible

I find it funny though considering his rhetoric, Texans & Californians visit Mexico more than the East Coast
I don't remember you ripping the politicians from Houston and Baltimore and California traveling during the pandemic after loudly proclaiming that people needed to stay home and not travel. Did I miss you making those points?
 
I don't remember you ripping the politicians from Houston and Baltimore and California traveling during the pandemic after loudly proclaiming that people needed to stay home and not travel. Did I miss you making those points?
The Austin Mayor was wrong doing a Covid PSA from an Airbnb in Cabo 🇲🇽. I am not against politicians going on vacations but timing is everything in politics

I do not envy someone like AOC for example..she has set such a standard w her political brand that it would be impossible for her to stay at some expensive villa for a long weekend without getting criticized
 
The Austin Mayor was wrong doing a Covid PSA from an Airbnb in Cabo 🇲🇽. I am not against politicians going on vacations but timing is everything in politics

I do not envy someone like AOC for example..she has set such a standard w her political brand that it would be impossible for her to stay at some expensive villa for a long weekend without getting criticized
Appreciate that outlook. This was certainly a gaffe, but I just feel like the media has over-inflated this story about a Senator who isn't really involved in the operations of storm recovery. What is the Senator really going to do other than lobby Congress for emergency relief funds? It's up to the Governor to lead the response and work with the federal government to involve FEMA and other resources.

The crazy thing is that you've got the NY legislature launching an official investigation into Cuomo's nursing home scandal making news at the same time. You would think that story would reign in the media over Cruz, right? Well, ABC's World News Tonight spent nearly 4 minutes on Cruz and 41 seconds on Cuomo. NBC was better but still spent more time on Cruz. CBS actually went the other way, giving Cuomo 2 minutes to Cruz 1.

The thing that I ask is, in what world is Cruz going somewhere warm in a time when we are all working remotely anyways the same level of story as Cuomo ordering COVID into the nursing homes directly resulting in thousands of deaths and then lying to everyone trying to cover up their actions?
 
The crazy thing is that you've got the NY legislature launching an official investigation into Cuomo's nursing home scandal making news at the same time. You would think that story would reign in the media over Cruz, right? Well, ABC's World News Tonight spent nearly 4 minutes on Cruz and 41 seconds on Cuomo. NBC was better but still spent more time on Cruz. CBS actually went the other way, giving Cuomo 2 minutes to Cruz 1.
How much time did Fox News give the Cruz story? ;)
 
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