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Amir Locke

“No matter what information comes to light, it won’t change the fact that Amir Locke’s life was cut short,” Frey said in a statement."


Dude sleeping on the couch with a gun in his hand, and the cops secured a no-knock warrant. There is probably a little more to this story than what is reported in the OP.
 
“No matter what information comes to light, it won’t change the fact that Amir Locke’s life was cut short,” Frey said in a statement."


Dude sleeping on the couch with a gun in his hand, and the cops secured a no-knock warrant. There is probably a little more to this story than what is reported in the OP.
Having a gun isnt illegal (at least on the surface). We cant have this both ways where guns are legal, and the 2nd amendment is an important right, but it's ok to shoot someone who possess one, especially in a private residence. No knock warrants are dangerous and need to be illegal, unless it is an extreme situation.
 
I'm sure he was an out of control felon, but no idea if he went into defense mode not knowing what is happening.

Obviously they can't let people hide in their house forever though.
He wasnt even the person they were looking for, and he was asleep when they busted in. I think most people who are awakened with people entering their home arent going to be immediately aware of what is happening. I believe I read the body cam footage never shows him pointing the gun at the cops either, but I haven't watched it, so that could be wrong.
 
I'm sure he was an out of control felon, but no idea if he went into defense mode not knowing what is happening.

Obviously they can't let people hide in their house forever though.
In the current atmosphere, I've got to assume that he had to have done something pretty terrible for the cops to obtain a no-knock warrant. It's not like the investigators and judge aren't aware of the Breonna Taylor fiasco.

That being said, if this was a drug dealer situation and nothing more, the MPD has a major problem.
 
In the current atmosphere, I've got to assume that he had to have done something pretty terrible for the cops to obtain a no-knock warrant. It's not like the investigators and judge aren't aware of the Breonna Taylor fiasco.

That being said, if this was a drug dealer situation and nothing more, the MPD has a major problem.
He wasnt the right person, the warrant wasnt for him. This is exactly like the Breonna Taylor situation, except I dont think anyone actually shot at the cops.
 
I'm sure he was an out of control felon, but no idea if he went into defense mode not knowing what is happening.

Obviously they can't let people hide in their house forever though.
He was a door dash driver who passed a background check to get a concealed permit.
 
He wasnt even the person they were looking for, and he was asleep when they busted in. I think most people who are awakened with people entering their home arent going to be immediately aware of what is happening. I believe I read the body cam footage never shows him pointing the gun at the cops either, but I haven't watched it, so that could be wrong.
"The search warrants that led the SWAT team to enter the apartment were filed under seal and will not be made public immediately."


Where did you read that he wasn't the person they were looking for?
 
"The search warrants that led the SWAT team to enter the apartment were filed under seal and will not be made public immediately."


Where did you read that he wasn't the person they were looking for?

Locke was not named in any warrants, police said, and the 22-year-old's family say he acquired his firearm legally. Locke's parents describe him as a budding figure in the music industry who wanted to help young people.

I believe he was at his cousins house, so I assume they were looking for him, but police have confirmed Locke wasnt who they were looking for.
 
He was a door dash driver who passed a background check to get a concealed permit.
A person could pass a background check on one day and become a murderer 2 days later.

Not saying that's what happened, but who knows. For sure, something about this story doesn't add up yet.
 
A person could pass a background check on one day and become a murderer 2 days later.

Not saying that's what happened, but who knows. For sure, something about this story doesn't add up yet.
Yeah but Knighttime said that "I'm sure he was an out of control felon." That presupposes that the guy had a record that would've precluded him from passing a background check. He had a right to carry, a right to be in his cousin's house, and a right to defend himself. The police identified themselves clearly and properly but the question is what is reasonable for any person in Locke's situation to perceive in that instance. It's not hard at all to agree that he perceived a deadly threat to his person at that moment and that his brandishing met all of the self-defense attributes.

The optics on this are worsened by them having a traditional warrant and choosing to execute the no-knock warrant. Until they come out with their rationale for the tactical decision, it's going to be easy to monday morning QB that one and it won't be pretty in the court of public opinion.

Bottom line is that it's probably time to retire the no-knock warrants unless you're targeting an obvious threat such as a drug gang holed up in a domicile presenting multiple visual threats at the time of the warrant. Unfortunately that's going to put officer's lives in more danger but we also can't have innocent people acting reasonably being killed because our officers forced them into these situations. Similar to how most jurisdictions won't pursue except in the most extreme situations.
 
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In the current atmosphere, I've got to assume that he had to have done something pretty terrible for the cops to obtain a no-knock warrant. It's not like the investigators and judge aren't aware of the Breonna Taylor fiasco.

That being said, if this was a drug dealer situation and nothing more, the MPD has a major problem.
There’s just no reason that no-knock warrants are justified outside of perhaps a hostage/kidnapping situation. And even then, there should be stiff punishments if it’s later found out the situation didn’t call for a no-knock - for everyone involved.
 
He wasnt the right person, the warrant wasnt for him. This is exactly like the Breonna Taylor situation, except I dont think anyone actually shot at the cops.
Not exactly like, just similar. In this case, they were serving a no-knock on a suspected murderer. In Taylor's case, they were serving it on a suspected drug dealer. One is suspected of having used deadly violence and the other wasn't. So you could say the no-knock probably would've been more understandable against the residence of Locke's cousin.
 
There’s just no reason that no-knock warrants are justified outside of perhaps a hostage/kidnapping situation. And even then, there should be stiff punishments if it’s later found out the situation didn’t call for a no-knock - for everyone involved.
I'm cool with that, just as long as it doesn't just come down on the cop that pulled the trigger. Everybody involved needs to be held to the same account if it's a FUBAR situation
 
I'm cool with that, just as long as it doesn't just come down on the cop that pulled the trigger. Everybody involved needs to be held to the same account if it's a FUBAR situation
If the officers serving the warrant were doing so in good faith and followed procedures and addressed a deadly threat appropriately, the should have qualified immunity. If there is a reasonable answer to why they went no-knock, then it’s a terrible situation. There are circumstances where everyone acts reasonably and in good faith where people die anyways.

The city of Minneapolis is going to settle another lawsuit on this I’m sure. Will we see riots and burning again.
 
I'm kind of leaning towards only no knock warrants under extreme circumstances. There is just too much that could go wrong.
Yep, the problem is standard police procedure tends to take every power, and make it the default. It's not the police, it's their procedures, what they've been allowed to do. Asset forfeiture is now a default tool, no longer reserved for extreme circumstances.

It's time to roll it all back, and make them argue why they ever need it, and define it extremely well, before we allow it again.
 
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Having a gun isnt illegal (at least on the surface). We cant have this both ways where guns are legal, and the 2nd amendment is an important right, but it's ok to shoot someone who possess one, especially in a private residence. No knock warrants are dangerous and need to be illegal, unless it is an extreme situation.

Guns are legal... for white people. Get with the program.
 
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Another murdered black person at the hands of police.

ANOTHER.
 
In the current atmosphere, I've got to assume that he had to have done something pretty terrible for the cops to obtain a no-knock warrant.

what is the "current atmosphere?"

The guy being black?
 
what is the "current atmosphere?"

The guy being black?
The current atmosphere being that cops are very highly scrutinized in what they do on a national level. Any minor screw up and you'll be a headline for weeks.
 
Prove that race had anything to do with this.

Or fuk off.
Statistically, it does. We cannot ignore that.

The current atmosphere being that cops are very highly scrutinized in what they do on a national level. Any minor screw up and you'll be a headline for weeks.
Which is why we need to change police procedure to reduce these cases. Seriously.
 
Statistically, it does. We cannot ignore that.


Which is why we need to change police procedure to reduce these cases. Seriously.
That, AND recognize that the sensationalists like Crump will use any opportunity they can to pounce.
 
That, AND recognize that the sensationalists like Crump will use any opportunity they can to pounce.
These last few years really should be a 'wake up call' for Americans to start thinking far more Libetarian, than the 2 Tribes.
 
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Interesting statistic with African Americans only accounting for 14% of the population. I know you guys in the wc hate Trump but he wanted to make inner cities safer which is clearly needed.

According to the FBI, African-Americans accounted for 55.9% of all homicide offenders in 2019, with whites 41.1%, and "Other" 3.0% in cases where the race was known. Among homicide victims in 2019 where the race was known, 54.7% were black or African-American, 42.3% were white, and 3.1% were of other races.
Gee wiz, those black are just horrible. AmIRight?
 
Man, you really get upset at the victims when police murder black folks, Lil' Himmler.

It’s a bad tactic that should have stopped.

You can’t remotely prove that race had anything to do with it.

disprove either if you can
 
Yep, the problem is standard police procedure tends to take every power, and make it the default. It's not the police, it's their procedures, what they've been allowed to do. Asset forfeiture is now a default tool, no longer reserved for extreme circumstances.

It's time to roll it all back, and make them argue why they ever need it, and define it extremely well, before we allow it again.
I can tell you that asset forfeiture is not a default tool in a number of Orlando area departments. I’d also bet that we could walk down the procedural book and it’s not what you think it is. I know there are some out of control departments, but most of the ones that I know today aren’t the extreme example that we read so much about.
 
Interesting statistic with African Americans only accounting for 14% of the population. I know you guys in the wc hate Trump but he wanted to make inner cities safer which is clearly needed.

According to the FBI, African-Americans accounted for 55.9% of all homicide offenders in 2019, with whites 41.1%, and "Other" 3.0% in cases where the race was known. Among homicide victims in 2019 where the race was known, 54.7% were black or African-American, 42.3% were white, and 3.1% were of other races.
Which is why when police procedure causes regular violations of civil liberties, African-Americans are the most impacted. If we'd change procedure, we'd cut down on those ... a lot!

I know, with the last name of Smith ... I get flagged ... a lot too! And I'm just getting a sample of the 0.01% of sh-- my fellow Americans, who are African-American, having to deal with! Especially since when they see I'm white (or mostly white), things change often for me, but not them.

Now I don't like the phrase 'white privilege' and all sorts of other, left-wing, Progressive, white Elitest rhetoric. But on civil rights violations, they do happen, and it's pretty bad how often, and over what little BS. Seat belts, license plate lights or decorations, so many other BS.
 
I can tell you that asset forfeiture is not a default tool in a number of Orlando area departments. I’d also bet that we could walk down the procedural book and it’s not what you think it is. I know there are some out of control departments, but most of the ones that I know today aren’t the extreme example that we read so much about.
Just like 98%+ of police are not remotely even close to being bigots on their worst day.

But it's that 2%, and just like when police procedures allow it, it's not questioned.
 
Statistically, it does. We cannot ignore that.


Which is why we need to change police procedure to reduce these cases. Seriously.
I'm all for constant review of policing policies. But the real way to eliminate these cases is to change the subculture of criminality that is pervasive in our society.
 
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I'm all for constant review of policing policies. But the real way to eliminate these cases is to change the subculture of criminality that is pervasive in our society.
The guy was sleeping on the couch before getting murdered. There was no criminality involved.
 
The guy was sleeping on the couch before getting murdered. There was no criminality involved.
Is this gonna be another one of those "black dudes don't flex on others by tying a noose around their neck"?
 
The guy was sleeping on the couch before getting murdered. There was no criminality involved.
The resident of the house, his cousin, was a strong enough suspect for committing a murder that a judge agreed that there was both probable cause and enough danger to grant a no-knock warrant to apprehend him. Amir Locke was innocent but he was sleeping in the house of a guy who was strongly suspected of being a murderer. To say that there was no criminal act preceding this warrant is a flat-out lie.
 
The resident of the house, his cousin, was a strong enough suspect for committing a murder that a judge agreed that there was both probable cause and enough danger to grant a no-knock warrant to apprehend him. Amir Locke was innocent but he was sleeping in the house of a guy who was strongly suspected of being a murderer. To say that there was no criminal act preceding this warrant is a flat-out lie.

It is amazing how low the burden of proof has fallen, especially for blacks, in this country.
 
It is amazing how low the burden of proof has fallen, especially for blacks, in this country.

What burden of proof would that be? A person was murdered and the cousin was a suspect as based upon the available evidence, and a Judge thought the evidence to be so convincing that he signed this warrant.

What about the above has anything to do with the cousin being black? Or are you just going to insist that any warrant signed that involves a black suspect is automatically racist?
 
The resident of the house, his cousin, was a strong enough suspect for committing a murder that a judge agreed that there was both probable cause and enough danger to grant a no-knock warrant to apprehend him. Amir Locke was innocent but he was sleeping in the house of a guy who was strongly suspected of being a murderer. To say that there was no criminal act preceding this warrant is a flat-out lie.
The judge is clearly racist here. After feeling that there was probable cause, the judge asked, "What's his race?" When he heard from the DA "xyz minority," probable immediately went to definite, and here we are.

This is how things work in this country. Protect and serve.
 
The resident of the house, his cousin, was a strong enough suspect for committing a murder that a judge agreed that there was both probable cause and enough danger to grant a no-knock warrant to apprehend him. Amir Locke was innocent but he was sleeping in the house of a guy who was strongly suspected of being a murderer. To say that there was no criminal act preceding this warrant is a flat-out lie.

But the innocent person being killed is the issue. Police have to know that there is a strong possibility when they bust into a home, that more people than just the person they are looking for could be in the home.
 
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