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Baltimore, Part 2

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Racism and corruption with Democratic leaders since the 60s. Gotta love it. I THOUGHT REPUBLICANS WERE RACISTS!!!
 
I stopped reading at the title. Baltimore has a black mayor, police chief, council president, etc. I guess they're all just puppets for the white republican racists. More upper class trust fund babies with white guilt.
 
Without even opening the link I will tell you I am certain Baltimore must have some serious problems that need to be addressed . But there is zero excuse for burning and looting the property of hard working honest citizens who have done nothing to these punks in the streets except probably set a decent example that was obviously ignored
 
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chemmie said:
This link deserves it's own thread. Hopefully you read the whole thing. It is pretty intense, no matter which side of this thing you're on. It just shows that this has been brewing in Baltimore long before this kid was killed. Just like the investigation showed after Ferguson, there was already a culture of corruption and racism.

An interview with David Simon, Baltimore Sun writer for 12 years, writer of two books on crime in Baltimore, and writer/creator of The Wire.
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Years of democrat policy run by democrats, its no wonder.
 
chemmie said:
I expected nothing less from somebody as willfully ignorant as you, Bob.
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I wasn't replying to you Paulbot. Funny you have to start a new thread when you're called out on your flip flopping shenanigans. Why did you stop supporting the racist Ron Paul and flip to the other side of the spectrum? I'm guessing you met some new people and wanted to be their new best friends soooooo bad you completely changed your opinions. You have the mental maturity of a 12 year old girl.
 
Bob the Knight said:
I wasn't replying to you Paulbot. Funny you have to start a new thread when you're called out on your flip flopping shenanigans. Why did you stop supporting the racist Ron Paul and flip to the other side of the spectrum? I'm guessing you met some new people and wanted to be their new best friends soooooo bad you completely changed your opinions. You have the mental maturity of a 12 year old girl.
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I actually started reading and informing myself. You should try it sometime.
 
Sir Galahad said:
Years of democrat policy run by democrats, its no wonder.
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This isn't a false statement. I wrote in the other thread that democrats aren't immune from corruption nor racism.

Just look at their frontrunner for our next president.
 
Sir Galahad said:
Years of democrat policy run by democrats, its no wonder.
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Here's an article that supports your claims.
The issue I take with the article is it is simply a finger pointing piece, and lacks any critical analysis. The author, like yourself and 85, merely points out that democrats, black democrats in many cases, have been in control of these urban areas for some time. He doesn't even try to address the why question for any of his points.
 
sk8knight said:
Ok. I've got one that deserves reading. Was wondering what the other prisoner in the van was going to say. http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...6-11e4-8666-a1d756d0218e_story.html?tid=sm_tw
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Interesting. I have my doubts anyone could purposely cause that kind of injury to themselves, but...
Freddie Gray had a rap sheet. A rap sheet with no violent crime, and mostly drug offenses. With a sheet like that, I have a hard time believing he was aggressive towards police, which would most likely be the cause for the police to get aggressive back with him.
There are still plenty of questions about Freddie Gray. None of which really have to do with the underlying reasons for the protests and riots. The more people focus on the single issue of Gray, the more they don't see the forest through the trees.
 
chemmie said:
Here's an article that supports your claims.
The issue I take with the article is it is simply a finger pointing piece, and lacks any critical analysis. The author, like yourself and 85, merely points out that democrats, black democrats in many cases, have been in control of these urban areas for some time. He doesn't even try to address the why question for any of his points.
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This is truly hilarious coming from an ignorant blowhard who bitches and moans about EVERYTHING associated with Republicans. There is never any context in your idiotic rants- in fact you often deliberately remove context to make your anti-Republican zeal more intense.

So please excuse while we laugh as you now squirm when faced with a city under complete Democrat liberal control that has completely failed and is now on fire.

Just pointing out that Democrats have had a death grip on this city since 1967 is not fair! We need context! We need explanations! We need to understand that it's STILL the ring wing that has dragged down this city!

Amazing how that happens.
 
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Interesting. I have my doubts anyone could purposely cause that kind of injury to themselves, but...
Freddie Gray had a rap sheet. A rap sheet with no violent crime, and mostly drug offenses. With a sheet like that, I have a hard time believing he was aggressive towards police, which would most likely be the cause for the police to get aggressive back with him.
There are still plenty of questions about Freddie Gray. None of which really have to do with the underlying reasons for the protests and riots. The more people focus on the single issue of Gray, the more they don't see the forest through the trees.
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If you doubt this, then you've never seen someone high on strong illicit drugs. They go into absolute rage and lose all control of themselves, usually to the detriment of their own well being, and everyone else around them.

I'm not saying that DID happen, but this guy was arrested 18 times and for various drug offenses. I guarantee you those were not strictly weed related. In fact his arrest records specifically state that he was arrested multiple times with cocaine.

PS- he was arrested 18 freaking times without having anything done to him. If these cops were really just intent on beating down black guys, wouldn't they have done this somewhere between the 10th and 15th arrest? Why did they wait until the 18th to get their jollies off and "intentionally" break his spine?
 
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Not saying he deserved what happened, but how do you get arrested 18 times and not learn from it? You don't. Gray obviously had no respect for the law or police. Something bad was going to inevitably happen to him whether is was the police or someone else.

I'm sorry, if I get arrested once you can damn sure believe that I won't do it again.
 
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Not saying he deserved what happened, but how do you get arrested 18 times and not learn from it? You don't. Gray obviously had no respect for the law or police. Something bad was going to inevitably happen to him whether is was the police or someone else.

I'm sorry, if I get arrested once you can damn sure believe that I won't do it again.
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And since it's "racist" to jail these mass offender criminals, they get to walk the streets and pile up the arrests and encounters with law enforcement. Up until the inevitable happens and they end up murdering someone or selling drugs that contributes to others' death.
 
UCFKnight85 said:
And since it's "racist" to jail these mass offender criminals, they get to walk the streets and pile up the arrests and encounters with law enforcement. Up until the inevitable happens and they end up murdering someone or selling drugs that contributes to others' death.
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Or, until they are murdered by police.

A track record for drug offenses doesn't warrant the death penalty without trial.
 
chemmie said:
This link deserves it's own thread. Hopefully you read the whole thing. It is pretty intense, no matter which side of this thing you're on. It just shows that this has been brewing in Baltimore long before this kid was killed. Just like the investigation showed after Ferguson, there was already a culture of corruption and racism.

An interview with David Simon, Baltimore Sun writer for 12 years, writer of two books on crime in Baltimore, and writer/creator of The Wire.
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A 25 year old kid?

What else did the investigation after Ferguson show?
 
chemmie said:
Or, until they are murdered by police.

A track record for drug offenses doesn't warrant the death penalty without trial.
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lol. That's really what you believe. So sad.

It's 95% likely that what happened is this guy was on drugs, was going nuts at the time of arrest, and a really terrible injury occurred while they were trying to restrain him. When you spend your entire life as a career criminal, the odds of something going wrong with the police are increased. It's not hard to understand.

There is less than a .01% chance that whitey cop decided it was time to die, and threw a Mortal Kombat move on the guy that resulted in the collapse of his spine and ultimate death.

I can guarantee you that cops would LOVE to limit their interactions with degenerate drug users, dealers, and criminals.
 
UCFKnight85 said:
This is truly hilarious coming from an ignorant blowhard who bitches and moans about EVERYTHING associated with Republicans. There is never any context in your idiotic rants- in fact you often deliberately remove context to make your anti-Republican zeal more intense.

So please excuse while we laugh as you now squirm when faced with a city under complete Democrat liberal control that has completely failed and is now on fire.

Just pointing out that Democrats have had a death grip on this city since 1967 is not fair! We need context! We need explanations! We need to understand that it's STILL the ring wing that has dragged down this city!

Amazing how that happens.
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I will always admit I am wrong if I'm shown compelling evidence.

And, yes, we do need context. That is how educated opinions are formed. What compels local politicians towards corruption? What influence to local politicians have over the major underlying problem of economics, and massive blue-collar job losses in these cities over the last 40 years? The root of the problem will always come down to monetary influence, regardless of party affiliation.

...and I've never supported democrat politicians and/or policies. I've merely been against the right-wing approach of social darwinism, which will only create more disasters.
 
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It's 95% likely that what happened is this guy was on drugs, was going nuts at the time of arrest, and a really terrible injury occurred while they were trying to restrain him.
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No, it isn't.
You just pulled that out of your ass. Haven't you learned to use some kind of factual evidence to support yourself before making statements? If I ever get something through your thick skull, I would like it to be this.
 
chemmie said:
No, it isn't.
You just pulled that out of your ass. Haven't you learned to use some kind of factual evidence to support yourself before making statements? If I ever get something through your thick skull, I would like it to be this.
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So says the guy who declared this was a "death penalty without trial". It'd be awesome if you took your own shit advice sometime.
 
The city of Baltimore has paid over $6.3 Million dollars in settlements for police brutality since 2011.

...but it is "95% likely" that this guy went nuts on drugs and injured himself.

Read the interview I posted at the top of this thread. Educate yourself.
 
chemmie said:
The city of Baltimore has paid over $6.3 Million dollars in settlements for police brutality since 2011.

...but it is "95% likely" that this guy went nuts on drugs and injured himself.

Read the interview I posted at the top of this thread. Educate yourself.
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I didn't say that, so thanks for once again trying to lie about what was actually said.

What I said was that a terrible accident probably happened when they were trying to restrain him. They MIGHT have injured him in the course of getting him cuffed and into the van. I did not say he "injured himself".
 
The official police report will likely never be made public, but the alleged comments of the other prisoner were. Interesting. Tampa PD was really into using confidential informants, until the informants started reporting the illegals things some of the cops were doing. Then all of sudden the CI's were felons with long rap sheets who's word couldn't be trusted.
 
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Tampa PD was really into using confidential informants, until the informants started reporting the illegals things some of the cops were doing. Then all of sudden the CI's were felons with long rap sheets who's word couldn't be trusted.
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I wanted this thread to be more about this...
David Simon's comments in the interview are outrageous. The amount of corruption and gamesmanship is hard to fathom. 99% of us on this forum have never had to, and will never have to, deal with this any of this kind of stuff. There is a totally different perspective out there that none of us know.
 
The problem is, the system in Baltimore that blacks don't trust is run by blacks. When the cops have done wrong they should be hit and hit hard. I just think you need to know what happened before reacting. Hands up don't shoot, sounded bad, problem was it never happened. The shooting in the back a couple of weeks ago can not be justified, no matter what. Choke hold in NY didn't kill the guy, it was not held until he suffocated, It was initially a head lock that slid down as he went down. and bottom line is the guy had a heart attack. We as far a I have seen have no video showing how this Baltimore man got hurt. I think it is clear he was hurt not in the van, but before he got there. At a minimum there clearly is neglect involved here, and quite possibly much worse.
 
chemmie said:
I wanted this thread to be more about this...
David Simon's comments in the interview are outrageous. The amount of corruption and gamesmanship is hard to fathom. 99% of us on this forum have never had to, and will never have to, deal with this any of this kind of stuff. There is a totally different perspective out there that none of us know.
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Mostly because most of us are not constantly engaging in criminal activity. While the Tampa PD practices have been scrutinized, most recently for getting an informant killed in a deal gone bad, the common thread is that those informants were facing severe criminal charges and took the "way out" to cooperate with the police instead.
 
chemmie said:
Interesting. I have my doubts anyone could purposely cause that kind of injury to themselves, but...
Freddie Gray had a rap sheet. A rap sheet with no violent crime, and mostly drug offenses. With a sheet like that, I have a hard time believing he was aggressive towards police, which would most likely be the cause for the police to get aggressive back with him.
There are still plenty of questions about Freddie Gray. None of which really have to do with the underlying reasons for the protests and riots. The more people focus on the single issue of Gray, the more they don't see the forest through the trees.
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I have a great article for you to read.
 
UCFKnight85 said:
This is truly hilarious coming from an ignorant blowhard who bitches and moans about EVERYTHING associated with Republicans. There is never any context in your idiotic rants- in fact you often deliberately remove context to make your anti-Republican zeal more intense.

So please excuse while we laugh as you now squirm when faced with a city under complete Democrat liberal control that has completely failed and is now on fire.

Just pointing out that Democrats have had a death grip on this city since 1967 is not fair! We need context! We need explanations! We need to understand that it's STILL the ring wing that has dragged down this city!

Amazing how that happens.
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Uh, yea context and deeper explanations will play a role in actually finding a solution to an obviously complicated problem. Trying to boil this down to a Democrat vs republican thing means you're just buying in to the dumbass oversimplified debate that the national talking heads are trying to have.

The national conversation isn't even close to where it needs to be to solving the problem. The opinion pieces that are flowing to point out that Baltimore has been run by a majority of Democrats has one purpose, and that purpose isn't to find a solution.
 
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Uh, yea context and deeper explanations will play a role in actually finding a solution to an obviously complicated problem. Trying to boil this down to a Democrat vs republican thing means you're just buying in to the dumbass oversimplified debate that the national talking heads are trying to have.

The national conversation isn't even close to where it needs to be to solving the problem. The opinion pieces that are flowing to point out that Baltimore has been run by a majority of Democrats has one purpose, and that purpose isn't to find a solution.
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Wow, way to miss the point. Thanks for playing.

I know context is important, on any matter. I was pointing out that this is something chemmie never does, ever, when going on some rant about meanie Republicans.
 
chemmie said:
Interesting. I have my doubts anyone could purposely cause that kind of injury to themselves, but...
Freddie Gray had a rap sheet. A rap sheet with no violent crime, and mostly drug offenses. With a sheet like that, I have a hard time believing he was aggressive towards police, which would most likely be the cause for the police to get aggressive back with him.
There are still plenty of questions about Freddie Gray. None of which really have to do with the underlying reasons for the protests and riots. The more people focus on the single issue of Gray, the more they don't see the forest through the trees.
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The problem is that the rallying points for the protests have undermined the debate. The family lawyers throwing around false information to steer the narrative and manipulate the public are setting back relations decades. The President could help but he throws gasoline on the fire when he's not the one stirring the pot. When almost every tree that is seen is rotten, people tend to believe they all are.
 
sk8knight said:
The problem is that the rallying points for the protests have undermined the debate. The family lawyers throwing around false information to steer the narrative and manipulate the public are setting back relations decades. The President could help but he throws gasoline on the fire when he's not the one stirring the pot. When almost every tree that is seen is rotten, people tend to believe they all are.
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I was waiting for one of your nonsense posts. Thank you!
 
sk8knight said:
The problem is that the rallying points for the protests have undermined the debate. The family lawyers throwing around false information to steer the narrative and manipulate the public are setting back relations decades. The President could help but he throws gasoline on the fire when he's not the one stirring the pot. When almost every tree that is seen is rotten, people tend to believe they all are.
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What did Obama do to throw gas on this fire? He called the people inflicting damage "thugs."
 
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