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Baltimore, Part 4

I see a common theme here... avoid acknowledging and thinking about serious problems by focusing on things that are relatively small potatoes. Focus on the small minority of idiots doing damage and ignore the bigger message of protestors. Focus on four words that were an unfortunate mantra of the people protesting PROVEN institutional racism and discrimination by their police department, and ignore the reasons that made people believe a cop would kill a man while not in danger in the first place.

See, conservatives can be lazy.
 
"His arrest record includes at least 18 arrests:
  • March 20, 2015: Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance
  • March 13, 2015: Malicious destruction of property, second-degree assault
  • January 20, 2015: Fourth-degree burglary, trespassing
  • January 14, 2015: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute
  • December 31, 2014: Possession of narcotics with intent to distribute
  • December 14, 2014: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance
  • August 31, 2014: Illegal gambling, trespassing
  • January 25, 2014: Possession of marijuana
  • September 28, 2013: Distribution of narcotics, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, second-degree assault, second-degree escape
  • April 13, 2012: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, violation of probation
  • July 16, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession with intent to distribute
  • March 28, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
  • March 14, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to manufacture and distribute
  • February 11, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance
  • August 29, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, violation of probation
  • August 28, 2007: Possession of marijuana
  • August 23, 2007: False statement to a peace officer, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
  • July 16, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance (2 counts)"
Why was he running? He seemed like an all around decent fellow.

http://nation.foxnews.com/2015/04/29/freddie-gray-arrest-record-criminal-history-rap-sheet
 
"His arrest record includes at least 18 arrests:
  • March 20, 2015: Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance
  • March 13, 2015: Malicious destruction of property, second-degree assault
  • January 20, 2015: Fourth-degree burglary, trespassing
  • January 14, 2015: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute
  • December 31, 2014: Possession of narcotics with intent to distribute
  • December 14, 2014: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance
  • August 31, 2014: Illegal gambling, trespassing
  • January 25, 2014: Possession of marijuana
  • September 28, 2013: Distribution of narcotics, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, second-degree assault, second-degree escape
  • April 13, 2012: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, violation of probation
  • July 16, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession with intent to distribute
  • March 28, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
  • March 14, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to manufacture and distribute
  • February 11, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance
  • August 29, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, violation of probation
  • August 28, 2007: Possession of marijuana
  • August 23, 2007: False statement to a peace officer, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
  • July 16, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance (2 counts)"
Why was he running? He seemed like an all around decent fellow.

http://nation.foxnews.com/2015/04/29/freddie-gray-arrest-record-criminal-history-rap-sheet

I don't see a single capital offense in that list.
 
If you recall from the original post, the Baltimore prosecutor found sufficient evidence in the autopsy and investigation to press charges for negligent homocide.
So police should only go after you if there's capital offenses on your record. Got it.
 
and continued forcus on that doesn't do anything to change the mistrust and perception problems that ate leading to these incidents in the first place.

Yeah! Moar education and training opportunities, please!
 
and continued forcus on that doesn't do anything to change the mistrust and perception problems that ate leading to these incidents in the first place.

So it's OK to cause millions of dollars in damage because you don't like cops? I don't like one of my neighbors. I'm going to burn down his house and torch his truck tonight. Don't focus on that though, that's not my real message.
 
So it's OK to cause millions of dollars in damage because you don't like cops? I don't like one of my neighbors. I'm going to burn down his house and torch his truck tonight. Don't focus on that though, that's not my real message.

How did you come to that conclusion? I pointed out that's it's a small minority of idiots doing the damage, obviously I'm not excusing them. Arrest those thugs (RACIST!) and charge them, but don't let them (or the media that focuses intensely on them) distract you from the larger issues.
 
How did you come to that conclusion? I pointed out that's it's a small minority of idiots doing the damage, obviously I'm not excusing them. Arrest those thugs (RACIST!) and charge them, but don't let them (or the media that focuses intensely on them) distract you from the larger issues.

RACIST!!! HAS THREE EXPLANATION POINTS, GOD DAMMIT!!!!! GET IT RIGHT OR GTFO!!!!!
 
How did you come to that conclusion? I pointed out that's it's a small minority of idiots doing the damage, obviously I'm not excusing them. Arrest those thugs (RACIST!) and charge them, but don't let them (or the media that focuses intensely on them) distract you from the larger issues.

Maybe we should just give them all hugs!
 
Of course they charged them. If they didn't, the violent mobs in their streets would torch another 30 buildings and send another 100 cops to the hospital.
 
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they can get negligence, but charging them with homicide.
I can see involuntary manslaughter maybe. The Key will be the facts.
Should be interesting to see this trial.
 
"His arrest record includes at least 18 arrests:
  • March 20, 2015: Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance
  • March 13, 2015: Malicious destruction of property, second-degree assault
  • January 20, 2015: Fourth-degree burglary, trespassing
  • January 14, 2015: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute
  • December 31, 2014: Possession of narcotics with intent to distribute
  • December 14, 2014: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance
  • August 31, 2014: Illegal gambling, trespassing
  • January 25, 2014: Possession of marijuana
  • September 28, 2013: Distribution of narcotics, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, second-degree assault, second-degree escape
  • April 13, 2012: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, violation of probation
  • July 16, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession with intent to distribute
  • March 28, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
  • March 14, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to manufacture and distribute
  • February 11, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance
  • August 29, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, violation of probation
  • August 28, 2007: Possession of marijuana
  • August 23, 2007: False statement to a peace officer, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
  • July 16, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance (2 counts)"
Why was he running? He seemed like an all around decent fellow.

http://nation.foxnews.com/2015/04/29/freddie-gray-arrest-record-criminal-history-rap-sheet
Well, it is abundantly clear that he deserved the death penalty without trial.
 
How did you come to that conclusion? I pointed out that's it's a small minority of idiots doing the damage, obviously I'm not excusing them. Arrest those thugs (RACIST!) and charge them, but don't let them (or the media that focuses intensely on them) distract you from the larger issues.

Actually, I agree but 85 had already given a reason for the problem and you libby libs blasted him for it. If people aren't going to acknowledge the core reason (the demise of the basic family structure) for issue, then the problem can't be solved. The problem with acknowledging this as the problem is people can't blame anyone else but themselves...you know that horrible word, "accountability". It's always easier to blame others that way one can continue with selfish, crappy decisions and not worry about change and correction.
 
Of course they charged them. If they didn't, the violent mobs in their streets would torch another 30 buildings and send another 100 cops to the hospital.

Or, as any sane and rational person would conclude, the charged them based on the autopsy and the investigation findings that the officers didn't do their job correctly and ignored repeated pleas for help.
they can get negligence, but charging them with homicide.
I can see involuntary manslaughter maybe. The Key will be the facts.
Should be interesting to see this trial.

Variety of changes on each officer invloved based on the investigations and interviews. Highest charge that one officer is receiving is 2nd degree murder, the remaining are being changed with crimes relating to neglience and incorrectly following procedures.
 
Actually, I agree but 85 had already given a reason for the problem and you libby libs blasted him for it. If people aren't going to acknowledge the core reason (the demise of the basic family structure) for issue, then the problem can't be solved. The problem with acknowledging this as the problem is people can't blame anyone else but themselves...you know that horrible word, "accountability". It's always easier to blame others that way one can continue with selfish, crappy decisions and not worry about change and correction.

Stop ignoring the facts and trying to pass the blame fab. This is YOUR fault.
 
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Just so we're clear, the left wing holds this view:

The autopsy report/actual final investigation findings, after months of investigating, clearing Officer Wilson, are totally bullshit and bogus.

The autopsy and preliminary investigation on these 6 Baltimore officers proves, without a doubt, that they're all murderers and guilty.

By the way, since the district attorney decided to charge them with murder and not manslaughter, I hope these mobs are prepared for the inevitable "not guilty" verdicts.
 
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Actually, I agree but 85 had already given a reason for the problem and you libby libs blasted him for it. If people aren't going to acknowledge the core reason (the demise of the basic family structure) for issue, then the problem can't be solved. The problem with acknowledging this as the problem is people can't blame anyone else but themselves...you know that horrible word, "accountability". It's always easier to blame others that way one can continue with selfish, crappy decisions and not worry about change and correction.
Reporting for racism so insensitive
 
Actually, I agree but 85 had already given a reason for the problem and you libby libs blasted him for it. If people aren't going to acknowledge the core reason (the demise of the basic family structure) for issue, then the problem can't be solved. The problem with acknowledging this as the problem is people can't blame anyone else but themselves...you know that horrible word, "accountability". It's always easier to blame others that way one can continue with selfish, crappy decisions and not worry about change and correction.
Both 85 and you are wrong. Black people don't inherently want "the demise of the basic family structure." There must be a reason behind this. Neither you nor 85 can give that reason, as it would create a circular logic situation.
So, we will just call you idiots and let you continue being ignorant.
 
I never said they "want" that. You are simply inserting things I never said, again, as usual.

I'll be amazed the day you can debate without lying and investing things that weren't actually said.
 
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I never said they "want" that. You are simply inserting things I never said, again, as usual.

I'll be amazed the day you can debate without lying and investing things that weren't actually said.
That why do they have it?

Simple question that you can't answer.
 
That why do they have it?

Simple question that you can't answer.

It's called unintended consequences, dumbass. I highly doubt a 19 year old from the inner city WANTS to raise a child in poverty, but it's a common story where she gets knocked up by some random guy anyways, he disappears, and voila we have a baby born into poverty with no father to speak of. She doesn't purposely seek this out, but she also didn't do anything constructive to avoid this.

But simply saying "well, I didn't want this but it happened so screw it, I don't care!" isn't a real response either. Eventually there needs to be a coordinated campaign, from leaders inside these communities, to start directly confronting the breakdown of families and applying pressure on people to get their shit together and stop the trend.

I'm sure this involves first stopping the violence and drug culture ingrained in these communities. But beyond that, there IS a culture of absolute wreckless abandon. How many stories have we heard of men in inner cities who have 8 different kids with 6 different mothers?
 
Just so we're clear, the left wing holds this view:

The autopsy report/actual final investigation findings, after months of investigating, clearing Officer Wilson, are totally bullshit and bogus.

The autopsy and preliminary investigation on these 6 Baltimore officers proves, without a doubt, that they're all murderers and guilty.

By the way, since the district attorney decided to charge them with murder and not manslaughter, I hope these mobs are prepared for the inevitable "not guilty" verdicts.

Not even close.
 
It's called unintended consequences, dumbass. I highly doubt a 19 year old from the inner city WANTS to raise a child in poverty, but it's a common story where she gets knocked up by some random guy anyways, he disappears, and voila we have a baby born into poverty with no father to speak of. She doesn't purposely seek this out, but she also didn't do anything constructive to avoid this.

But simply saying "well, I didn't want this but it happened so screw it, I don't care!" isn't a real response either. Eventually there needs to be a coordinated campaign, from leaders inside these communities, to start directly confronting the breakdown of families and applying pressure on people to get their shit together and stop the trend.

I'm sure this involves first stopping the violence and drug culture ingrained in these communities. But beyond that, there IS a culture of absolute wreckless abandon. How many stories have we heard of men in inner cities who have 8 different kids with 6 different mothers?

There aren't enough people inside these communities that hold this perspective, so large scale change won't happen quickly just from within. Rapid change will also take people from outside of the communities being able to build a level of trust that they can share this perspective. Youth are more likely to be open to this than older teens and adults, so that's a good place to start .
 
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