What a moronic post. So performance is only gauged on short,1 year increments? How about overall he's barely over .500? How about every year we are unprepared in many gets, yet the fact that we've occasionally had NFL athletes is able to overcome the coaching deficiencies?
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What a moronic post. So performance is only gauged on short,1 year increments? How about overall he's barely over .500? How about every year we are unprepared in many gets, yet the fact that we've occasionally had NFL athletes is able to overcome the coaching deficiencies?
"You were right in 2006. Wrong in 2007. Right in 2008. Wrong in 2009 and 2010. Right in 2011 and wrong in 2012, 2013 and 2014."
Reminds me of the ole' cliche', "Even a broken clock is correct twice a day."
Reminds me of the ole' cliche', "Even a broken clock is correct twice a day."
You obviously were not a member of the debate club in school. Tell me genius how many of our peers have done more with the same resources? Boise? and..... no other. You want to judge by whatever criteria makes your point without regard to facts or anything else. You want to say we have excelled despite coaching? Wow, I can say the same thing, we have excelled despite our lack of blue chip recruits. You say we have occasionally had NFL athletes, I say we have occasionally been able to coach up diamonds in the rough to be prepared for the NFL. See how I did that? Same argument you made. Same basis of facts. Same logic and completely different result.
You have no comprehension of perspective. You just believe whatever you want to believe. you want what you want and you want it now!
Type the following into a field in Excel: =45327168<27542910 . What do you get? FALSE. That is UCF's spending vs FIU's spending, yet FIU somehow beat us on the field.
How about this? =45327168<26130115? Again, FALSE. UCF's spending vs NIU's spending, yet NIU is been to a BCS game and finished ranked more times than us.
Oh, try this one: =45327168<12909804? That one almost crashes Excel, but ultimately reports FALSE. Yet for $12,909,804 Jacksonville State is somehow able to go into Auburn and take them to the wire.
This is about the value we are getting for our investment, not about should UCF be winning national championships right now. We invest near the top of G5 schools yet get results on par with schools spending half as much as us. We have the built-in advantage of being located in freaking Florida, yet can't separate ourselves from a MAC school. Awesome.
http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/
Also, for the ballsniffers:
2004: 0-11
2005: 8-5
2006: 4-8
2007: 10-4
2008: 4-8
2009: 8-5
2010: 11-3
2011: 5-7
2012: 10-4
2013: 12-1
2014: 9-4
2015: 0-2
For those that can math, that's actually 41.6% of the time. However, you really have to look at his overall record to be fair which is now 81-62 which means GOL loses 43.4% of the time. Almost half of the games the dude coaches for us he loses.
Type this in Excel 73,000,000<24,000,000 False. That is Baylor's spending vs UCF spending in 2013. Yet we beat them and we have a BCS bowl Victory and they still do not. I'm sorry does that logic not compute for you?
Type this into Excel = NONE OF THIS MATTERS BECAUSE IT IS A GAME OF COLLEGE STUDENTS AND SPENDING DOES NOT EQUATE TO WINNING EVERY GAME OR HAVING A WINNING SEASON EVERY YEAR. What comes up ? TRUTH.
If you are too blinded by hate to see how high up the UCF brand has become then you really are hopeless.
44-57 without Friedgen or Taffe. Currently working on is 3rd winless season. (1994,2004,2015)
C-MontCityKnight2, :Also, for the ballsniffers:
2004: 0-11
2005: 8-5 (East Division Championship: Bowl game (UCF's first ever)
2006: 4-8
2007: 10-4 (CUSA Champs; UCF's first championship ever) Bowl game)
2008: 4-8
2009: 8-5 (Bowl Game)
2010: 11-3 (CUSA Champs; Liberty Bowl Champs; UCF first top 25 final ranking ever)
2011: 5-7
2012: 10-4 (CUSA East Division champ; Bowl Game)
2013: 12-1 (AAC Championship, BCS Bowl game and victory UCF's First 10 final ranking)
2014: 9-4 (AAC Championship, Bowl game)
2015: 0-2
For those that can math, that's actually 41.6% of the time. However, you really have to look at his overall record to be fair which is now 81-62 which means GOL loses 43.4% of the time. Almost half of the games the dude coaches for us he loses
Fixed it for you: Yes I can see where you might think that this was a lateral move and we are no better off since 2005..![[eyeroll]](http://l.yimg.com/j/assets/img/emoticons/rolleye/rolleye0011.r191677.gif "Eye roll [eyeroll]")
I see your problem now. You have a hard time seeing the big picture.
2004: 0-11
2005: 8-5 (East Division Championship: Bowl game (UCF's first ever)
2006: 4-8
2007: 10-4 (CUSA Champs; UCF's first championship ever) Bowl game)
2008: 4-8
2009: 8-5 (Bowl Game)
2010: 11-3 (CUSA Champs; Liberty Bowl Champs; UCF first top 25 final ranking ever)
2011: 5-7
2012: 10-4 (CUSA East Division champ; Bowl Game)
2013: 12-1 (AAC Championship, BCS Bowl game and victory UCF's First 10 final ranking)
2014: 9-4 (AAC Championship, Bowl game)
2015: 0-2
For those that can math, that's actually 41.6% of the time. However, you really have to look at his overall record to be fair which is now 81-62 which means GOL loses 43.4% of the time. Almost half of the games the dude coaches for us he loses
Fixed it for you: Yes I can see where you might think that this was a lateral move and we are no better off since 2005..
I see your problem now. You have a hard time seeing the big picture.
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If spending doesn't equate to winning, then why are we wasting $2 million per year on this old fart?
John Grass from Jacksonville state is 123-60 (67.2%) as a highschool coach (hint: that is better than O'Leary), and 11-3 (78.6%) as a college coach clearly able to compete with the big dogs (hint: that is better than O'Leary) with a current salary of $175,000 (hint: that is MUCH MUCH MUCH less than O'Leary). What else could we do with that extra $1.825 million to better society?
Once again, my point is not that I think that UCF should be winning National Championships, but we can do so much better for $2 million per year as evidenced by someone that makes just 8% of O'Leary's salary and is producing better results.
"SCKnight, post: 217399, member: 252" C-MontCityKnight2, :Also, for the ballsniffers:
2004: 0-11
2005: 8-5 (East Division Championship: Bowl game (UCF's first ever) - but UCF was not in a conference with a bunch of bowl ties in the past. GOL didn't have anything to do with us getting in a different conference.
2006: 4-8
2007: 10-4 (CUSA Champs; UCF's first championship ever) Bowl game) Apples and Oranges. No conference championship game when you are independent. Also no guaranteed bowl slot when you are an independent.
2008: 4-8
2009: 8-5 (Bowl Game) 9-2 in 1998 but no bowl game. What has GOL had to do with us getting selected for bowl games?
2010: 11-3 (CUSA Champs; Liberty Bowl Champs; UCF first top 25 final ranking ever) FINALLY, 6 years later it appears he might be starting to deliver on his promise
2011: 5-7 --whoops, nevermind on that promise!
2012: 10-4 (CUSA East Division champ; Bowl Game) Loser talk. How did we do against P5 again? Oh yeah, nada.
2013: 12-1 (AAC Championship, BCS Bowl game and victory UCF's First 10 final ranking) WAHOO! Only 9 years into his tenure he delivered what he promised!
2014: 9-4 (AAC Championship, Bowl game) Whoops, didn't finish ranked, lost to UCONN, couldn't beat any P5 schools (BYU isn't P5). What happened to "if all you want is top 25, I'm not interested!"?
2015: 0-2
For those that can math, that's actually 41.6% of the time. However, you really have to look at his overall record to be fair which is now 81-62 which means GOL loses 43.4% of the time. Almost half of the games the dude coaches for us he loses
Fixed it for you: Yes I can see where you might think that this was a lateral move and we are no better off since 2005.. I see your problem now. You have a hard time seeing the big picture.
I fixed your "fix". You nuthuggers are all the same.
2004: 0-11
2005: 8-5 (East Division Championship: Bowl game (UCF's first ever) - but UCF was not in a conference with a bunch of bowl ties in the past. GOL didn't have anything to do with us getting in a different conference.
2006: 4-8
2007: 10-4 (CUSA Champs; UCF's first championship ever) Bowl game) Apples and Oranges. No conference championship game when you are independent. Also no guaranteed bowl slot when you are an independent.
2008: 4-8
2009: 8-5 (Bowl Game) 9-2 in 1998 but no bowl game. What has GOL had to do with us getting selected for bowl games?
2010: 11-3 (CUSA Champs; Liberty Bowl Champs; UCF first top 25 final ranking ever) FINALLY, 6 years later it appears he might be starting to deliver on his promise
2011: 5-7 --whoops, nevermind on that promise!
2012: 10-4 (CUSA East Division champ; Bowl Game) Loser talk. How did we do against P5 again? Oh yeah, nada.
2013: 12-1 (AAC Championship, BCS Bowl game and victory UCF's First 10 final ranking) WAHOO! Only 9 years into his tenure he delivered what he promised!
2014: 9-4 (AAC Championship, Bowl game) Whoops, didn't finish ranked, lost to UCONN, couldn't beat any P5 schools (BYU isn't P5). What happened to "if all you want is top 25, I'm not interested!"?
2015: 0-2
For those that can math, that's actually 41.6% of the time. However, you really have to look at his overall record to be fair which is now 81-62 which means GOL loses 43.4% of the time. Almost half of the games the dude coaches for us he loses
Fixed it for you: Yes I can see where you might think that this was a lateral move and we are no better off since 2005..
I see your problem now. You have a hard time seeing the big picture.I fixed your "fix". You nuthuggers are all the same.
C-MontCityKnight2, :Also, for the ballsniffers:
2004: 0-11
2005: 8-5 (East Division Championship: Bowl game (UCF's first ever)
2006: 4-8
2007: 10-4 (CUSA Champs; UCF's first championship ever) Bowl game)
2008: 4-8
2009: 8-5 (Bowl Game)
2010: 11-3 (CUSA Champs; Liberty Bowl Champs; UCF first top 25 final ranking ever)
2011: 5-7
2012: 10-4 (CUSA East Division champ; Bowl Game)
2013: 12-1 (AAC Championship, BCS Bowl game and victory UCF's First 10 final ranking)
2014: 9-4 (AAC Championship, Bowl game)
2015: 0-2
For those that can math, that's actually 41.6% of the time. However, you really have to look at his overall record to be fair which is now 81-62 which means GOL loses 43.4% of the time. Almost half of the games the dude coaches for us he loses
Fixed it for you: Yes I can see where you might think that this was a lateral move and we are no better off since 2005..
The gap between losing seasons is getting larger, I guess.
Because winning equates to winning and we have been winning. (yes, we have been winning. it does not matter how you get there) We also have increased our national brand 100 fold since GOL started here. He has a national name and presence. He is very much respected nationally.
I know you are really joking about equating success at a high school level and one year of FCS against the five time conference coach of the year right including ACC and CUSA? Our previous coach was paid peanuts and ALMOST beat UGA and ALMOST beat Auburn and ALMOST beat South Carolina and ALMOST beat Ga. Tech and hung tough with Nebraska. And what does a bunch of ALMOSTs get you....zippo. Championships matter. Finishing matters, academics matter national exposure matters. GOL has achieved all of that and more for UCF.
Yea!!! lets go hire a young FCS coach that has little or no experience, pay him peanuts and see what he can do. sounds like a great business model for...USF maybe?
C-MontCityKnight2, :Also, for the ballsniffers:
2004: 0-11
2005: 8-5 (East Division Championship: Bowl game (UCF's first ever)
2006: 4-8
2007: 10-4 (CUSA Champs; UCF's first championship ever) Bowl game)
2008: 4-8
2009: 8-5 (Bowl Game)
2010: 11-3 (CUSA Champs; Liberty Bowl Champs; UCF first top 25 final ranking ever)
2011: 5-7
2012: 10-4 (CUSA East Division champ; Bowl Game)
2013: 12-1 (AAC Championship, BCS Bowl game and victory UCF's First 10 final ranking)
2014: 9-4 (AAC Championship, Bowl game)
2015: 0-2
For those that can math, that's actually 41.6% of the time. However, you really have to look at his overall record to be fair which is now 81-62 which means GOL loses 43.4% of the time. Almost half of the games the dude coaches for us he loses
Fixed it for you: Yes I can see where you might think that this was a lateral move and we are no better off since 2005..
Go ask if anyone from ECU, USF, UC, UH or any other G5 program would like to have any o
"SCKnight, post: 217399, member: 252" C-MontCityKnight2, :Also, for the ballsniffers:
2004: 0-11
2005: 8-5 (East Division Championship: Bowl game (UCF's first ever) - but UCF was not in a conference with a bunch of bowl ties in the past. GOL didn't have anything to do with us getting in a different conference.
2006: 4-8
2007: 10-4 (CUSA Champs; UCF's first championship ever) Bowl game) Apples and Oranges. No conference championship game when you are independent. Also no guaranteed bowl slot when you are an independent.
2008: 4-8
2009: 8-5 (Bowl Game) 9-2 in 1998 but no bowl game. What has GOL had to do with us getting selected for bowl games?
2010: 11-3 (CUSA Champs; Liberty Bowl Champs; UCF first top 25 final ranking ever) FINALLY, 6 years later it appears he might be starting to deliver on his promise
2011: 5-7 --whoops, nevermind on that promise!
2012: 10-4 (CUSA East Division champ; Bowl Game) Loser talk. How did we do against P5 again? Oh yeah, nada.
2013: 12-1 (AAC Championship, BCS Bowl game and victory UCF's First 10 final ranking) WAHOO! Only 9 years into his tenure he delivered what he promised!
2014: 9-4 (AAC Championship, Bowl game) Whoops, didn't finish ranked, lost to UCONN, couldn't beat any P5 schools (BYU isn't P5). What happened to "if all you want is top 25, I'm not interested!"?
2015: 0-2
For those that can math, that's actually 41.6% of the time. However, you really have to look at his overall record to be fair which is now 81-62 which means GOL loses 43.4% of the time. Almost half of the games the dude coaches for us he loses
Fixed it for you: Yes I can see where you might think that this was a lateral move and we are no better off since 2005..
I fixed your "fix". You nuthuggers are all the same.
Wow amazing to see that those accomplishments mean nothing. Nothing like a little historic revision to try and justify your argument. The UCF program was in shambles. We were worse than the gutter when GOL came in. But because you are a Sunday morning college QB you can say whatever you want. Because we are UCF, and for no other reason, it is expected, no wait, mandated that we should always win every game over every G5 team, win against P5 teams. Any other coach would have done that. Bianchi is right and some of our fans are deranged lunatics. I had forgotten how much having three amazing seasons in a row did to shut up the fringe.
Since you want to bring up past coaches:
1990 I-AA UCF (not GOL) vs Memphis - L 37-28
2006 GOL UCF vs Memphis - W 26-24
1993 I-AA UCF (not GOL) vs Buffalo - W 42-7
2004 GOL UCF vs Buffalo - L 48-20
1994 I-AA UCF (not GOL) vs ECU - L 23-20
2007 GOL UCF vs ECU - L 52-38
1994 I-AA UCF (not GOL) vs Ball State - W 27-26
2004 GOL UCF vs Ball State - L 21-17
1996 I-A UCF (first year - not GOL) vs UAB - W 35-13
2008 GOL UCF vs UAB - L 15-0
1997 I-A UCF (second year - not GOL) vs USC - L 33-31
2013 GOL UCF vs USC - L 28-25 (GOL's best season at UCF)
1999 I-A UCF (fourth year - not GOL) vs UF - L 58-27
2006 GOL UCF vs UF - L 42-0
Man, that is some improvement for $2 million per year!
1990 I-AA UCF (not GOL) vs Memphis - L 37-28
2006 GOL UCF vs Memphis - W 26-24
1993 I-AA UCF (not GOL) vs Buffalo - W 42-7
2004 GOL UCF vs Buffalo - L 48-20
1994 I-AA UCF (not GOL) vs ECU - L 23-20
2007 GOL UCF vs ECU - L 52-38
1994 I-AA UCF (not GOL) vs Ball State - W 27-26
2004 GOL UCF vs Ball State - L 21-17
1996 I-A UCF (first year - not GOL) vs UAB - W 35-13
2008 GOL UCF vs UAB - L 15-0
1997 I-A UCF (second year - not GOL) vs USC - L 33-31
2013 GOL UCF vs USC - L 28-25 (GOL's best season at UCF)
1999 I-A UCF (fourth year - not GOL) vs UF - L 58-27
2006 GOL UCF vs UF - L 42-0
Man, that is some improvement for $2 million per year!
Having players on the team from Florida doesn't mean we recruit well from the state !!!!!! It's quality not quantity....
Weak argument? Huh? The only thing weak is our strength of schedule!!!!
Guys like me in the minority? What section do you sit in?
You listen to what Bianchi says? NUFF said...... I rest my case
I'm the OP, and I checked out on this thread a long time ago. I will say that for Bianchi to say "a small but vocal minority" of UCF fans are asking for GOL to be fired is a gross exageration. A 'small' minority of a 50K fan base is 500 fans - that's around 1 percent. The same 3 people saying he should be fired over and over is not a "small but vocal minority" and any statement of such is a gross exageration.
You said that we had a lack of recruiting in the state. I just proved you wrong about that when I mentioned just a few of the cities in Florida where many of our players hail from. You also said we don't recruit well in Florida, which is also incorrect when you see that, since 2008, we have won at least 8 games every year except for 2011. In three of those seasons I just mentioned, we've won 10 or more games. During O'Leary's tenure overall, we've won four conference titles, four division titles (all when we were in Conference USA), a BCS bowl, and been nationally ranked at the end of the season twice (2010 and 2013).
Now go ahead . . . continue on with your drivel which has no facts to back it up.
I don't particularly like Bianchi, but not liking someone doesn't make him wrong. The facts back him up in this case. The "vocal minority," as he calls you and your cohorts, do not have a good case. Sorry, but it's true.
C-MontCityKnight2, post: Since you want to bring up past coaches:
1990 I-AA UCF (not GOL) vs Memphis - L 37-28
2006 GOL UCF vs Memphis - W 26-24
1993 I-AA UCF (not GOL) vs Buffalo - W 42-7
2004 GOL UCF vs Buffalo - L 48-20
2009 GOL UCF vs. Buffalo - W 23-17
2010 GOL UCF vs. Buffalo - W-24-10
1994 I-AA UCF (not GOL) vs ECU - L 23-20
1996 (Not GOL) ECU vs. UCF L 28-7
2005 GOL UCF vs. ECU W 30-20
2007 GOL UCF vs ECU - L 52-38
2010 GOL UCF v. ECU w 49-35
2012 OGL UCF v. ECU w 40-20
2014 GOL UCF v, ECU w 32-30
(of course there are a few losses in there as well but when you get to pick and choose like you do...)
1994 I-AA UCF (not GOL) vs Ball State - W 27-26
1996 UCF (not GOL) vs. Ball State L 31-10
2004 GOL UCF vs Ball State - L 21-17
2012 GOL UCF vs. Ball State - W 38-17 and a bowl game no less
1996 I-A UCF (first year - not GOL) vs UAB - W 35-13
2005 GOL UCF vs. UAB w 27-21
2006 GOL UCF vs. UAB w 31-22
2007 GOL UCF vs. UAB w 45-31
2008 GOL UCF vs UAB - L 15-0
2009 GOL UCF vs. UAB w 34-27
1997 I-A UCF (second year - not GOL) vs USC - L 33-31
2013 GOL UCF vs USC - L 28-25 (GOL's best season at UCF)
1999 I-A UCF (fourth year - not GOL) vs UF - L 58-27
2006 GOL UCF vs UF - L 42-0
1999 (not GOL) UCF v. UGA L 24-23
2010 GOL UCF v. UGA W 10-6
2002 (not GOL) UCF vs. Penn State L 27-24
2013 GOL UCF vs. Penn State w:
Man, that is some improvement for $2 million per year
Here I added a few that you missed. There are a couple more that I could put in but I think you get the point about how stupid your analysis is.
This could be the dumbest basis for an argument I have ever seen. But if you want it then ok.
1990 I-AA UCF (not GOL) vs Memphis - L 37-28
2006 GOL UCF vs Memphis - W 26-24
1993 I-AA UCF (not GOL) vs Buffalo - W 42-7
2004 GOL UCF vs Buffalo - L 48-20
2009 GOL UCF vs. Buffalo - W 23-17
2010 GOL UCF vs. Buffalo - W-24-10
1994 I-AA UCF (not GOL) vs ECU - L 23-20
1996 (Not GOL) ECU vs. UCF L 28-7
2005 GOL UCF vs. ECU W 30-20
2007 GOL UCF vs ECU - L 52-38
2010 GOL UCF v. ECU w 49-35
2012 OGL UCF v. ECU w 40-20
2014 GOL UCF v, ECU w 32-30
(of course there are a few losses in there as well but when you get to pick and choose like you do...)
1994 I-AA UCF (not GOL) vs Ball State - W 27-26
1996 UCF (not GOL) vs. Ball State L 31-10
2004 GOL UCF vs Ball State - L 21-17
2012 GOL UCF vs. Ball State - W 38-17 and a bowl game no less
1996 I-A UCF (first year - not GOL) vs UAB - W 35-13
2005 GOL UCF vs. UAB w 27-21
2006 GOL UCF vs. UAB w 31-22
2007 GOL UCF vs. UAB w 45-31
2008 GOL UCF vs UAB - L 15-0
2009 GOL UCF vs. UAB w 34-27
1997 I-A UCF (second year - not GOL) vs USC - L 33-31
2013 GOL UCF vs USC - L 28-25 (GOL's best season at UCF)
1999 I-A UCF (fourth year - not GOL) vs UF - L 58-27
2006 GOL UCF vs UF - L 42-0
1999 (not GOL) UCF v. UGA L 24-23
2010 GOL UCF v. UGA W 10-6
2002 (not GOL) UCF vs. Penn State L 27-24
2013 GOL UCF vs. Penn State w:
Man, that is some improvement for $2 million per year
Here I added a few that you missed. There are a couple more that I could put in but I think you get the point about how stupid your analysis is.
This could be the dumbest basis for an argument I have ever seen. But if you want it then ok.
Did you really just compare the record and salary of a 1-AA coach with that of a FBS coach? That is so full of FAIL I don't know where to start.
Did you even look to see what was behind JSU's success? I will give you a clue... the same thing that was behind the success of Cristobal when you wanted him as our next coach... an experienced stud QB. Look what happened to FIU when Mario Cristobal's QB left and watch what will happen to JSU when their QB leaves.
Don't worry C-Mont, regime change is coming. UCF has been updating the presidential candidate search criteria paperwork of the past two years in preparation for Hitt's retirement. Let's just hope we don't have the difficulties Texas is having rebuilding their program with "new blood" as your signature says.
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