Biden punts on Covid
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The true 'holy sh!t' moment was when most of us realized there were enough dumbazz Chuds like you, KNIGHTTIME, UCFBS, and Boston, to prevent us from locking down the spread once the vaccines became available.
Did you literally just spew bullshit again? Any chance you can stop proliferating this bullshit once and for all?
Some of us got vaccinated immediately, the first available. But we also weren't oblivious idiots. We read the US NIH, WHO and other warnings ... including frome even Time magazine. They were never designed to stop the spread ... and didn't. WHO has been repeating this over and over, even if US Mass and Social Media refuse to relay it.
I'm sorry you believed the US Mass and Social Media that told you otherwise, that this was like a non-respiratory disease such as smallpox, and we had an effective vaccine that would sterialize the upper respiratory tract and generate Immuglobulin A (IgA) antibodies. This is a Coronavirus that was always destined to become endemic once it went global without something that did.
So ... keep blaming others for you believing bullshit. We were right. You were mislead ... and utterly wrong.
So basically his whole grandiose campaign plan (that he never took questions on) amounts to nothing and he’s doing what Trump did minus the active and very visible support for the State governments. Oh, and dedicating truckloads of our taxpayer dollars to vaccinating the world.
That pretty much sums it up. The whole reason he was elected president turned out to be a massive failure and he's just punting on the issue.
He realized it’s an endless cycle of Governors of the other party doing the opposite for politics. The Delta wave was the only reason he went more aggressive on mandates to tick the vax % up. Don’t blame him for throwing his hands up at this point and hoping Omicron burns out
the only people that still want pre vax measures are those cosplay Rose 🌹 Twitter Communists
the only people that still want pre vax measures are those cosplay Rose 🌹 Twitter Communists
Lol seriously? He bitched endlessly about DeSantis for Delta in the summer and yet the exact same thing predictably happened to the Midwest and northeast in the Fall and Winter, only he had not a thing to say then.
He’s a buffoon
idk why lockdowns get still brought up and pre vaccine approval vs post makes the argument very different. this country just isn’t setup to handle a pandemic well, especially at this point in time when we get divided on literally everything
We all knew in May of 2020 that this thing was going to have to run its course. If it hadn't been an election year, it would be an afterthought by now.
Plus we never really had lockdowns, so its a baseless argument anyway. We had some things canceled and some different arrangements for some things obviously, but there was never a point where we couldnt leave our house, travel, go into stores, go to friends or families, etc etc.
Uh, tell that to millions of business owners that were forced to close their doors for months.
THat still doesnt make it a lockdown, and most businesses werent forced to close, they were forced to adapt. What China did was a lockdown, and we never did anything close to that. There isnt a restaurant around me for instance, that I couldnt order online or call in an order and pick it up.
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There are business owners that have been arrested for having their doors open. That isn't a lockdown? Sheesh.
Fair enough. So what would YOU call it when you can only go to government approved stores and are only allowed to buy government approved products from them while having to cover your face and only walk single file in one direction down the aisles?
I would call it regulations or something along those lines. I don't know what you mean by you can only buy govt approved products, that certainly didnt happen where I live. And wearing a mask in public means you can go in public. How can you argue we had lockdowns and then use going out into public as an example of that?
Would you say that arresting people that are out on the beach or ocean by themselves a lockdown?
How many people were arrested for going to beaches by themselves?
You are trying to change the definition of a lockdown. A lockdown means you literally cant go into public other than for very specific things. That never happened here. Public transportion was never closed (at least not nationwide, and I dont think it was in any cities), airports were never closed, and even most stores were never fully closed. Can you really argue it is a lockdown if you are able to jump on a city bus or train? Or fly across the country on a flight? Being able to do those things seems to be a pretty clear indicator that we were never locked down.
Then I would be calling it something it isnt. A lockdown means you arent supposed to leave your house, period. That never once happened in this country. Yes, some businesses, schools, etc had to change how they did things, but that doesnt make it a lockdown. THere are times when schools, offices etc are put on lockdown due to a threat of violence in the area, even maybe a chemical spill or something like that. So by your logic, when a building is on lockdown for something like that, that means people are still allowed to come and go?
The reality of it, is this country really did the bare mininum when it came to slowing covid, but you still want to act like we were all locked down for a time. Now I am not saying we shouldve been locked down, but I am saying you cant argue lockdowns dont work or what not, when we were never locked down to begin with.
I dont understand why you are bringing up Gilliam. On one hand you seem to arguing you were locked down, and now on the other you were arguing Gilliam would have locked things down? So, were you locked down or not?
No. A lockdown isnt about a specific business, it is about society as a whole. And society as a whole was never locked down. There is no such thing as a lockdown where people are still allowed to fill the trains, buses, fly on planes, etc. If you want to argue nothing should have ever been closed or made to adapt or something like that, that is fine, but it isnt the same argument.
But let me ask then. If you are so convinced we had a lockdown, then who do you blame? Desantis or Trump? If you were locked down in Florida the orders had to have come from one of those guys at the time. So which one of those "commies" forced you to lockdown?
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You've done a fantastic job of defining the word "lockdown" for all of us. Now, unless you have a term we should use for what happened in the US, maybe just recognize what we are talking about instead of arguing the definition of a word. It'll make for a more interesting discussion.
We slowed down manufacturing of tests as a result of the administrations actions in the first half of the year. That's what upsets me most is that the administration ...
Mid-May: Forced the US CDC to end all masking and distancing for the vaccinated, causing them to flip in 36 hours from their continued recommendations of masking and distancing against the coming Delta wave, causing the vaccinated to spread and the resulting spike after 6 weeks through well after 12 weeks (into August).
Late July: Crossed the US FDA experts and joined Pfizer's CEO in re-issuing the current, Wuhan-1 spike vaccines, leading to resignations for refusing to concede and comply
Early November: Downplayed Delta's continued spread as cases rose after 6 weeks of football through our now 12 weeks, with Omicron now joining the spread.
This is where we are, like it or not. And it has nothing to do with not vaccinating enough kids, especially since we now have 4x the percentage of kids vaccinated than the Israeli's, who make it 100% optional (unlike us).
What's interesting about this whole thing is that the vax-nazis have been adamant that omicron came from an unvaxxed person, almost like that guy is to blame because he didn't get the jab. Well, that guy probably saved hundreds of thousands of lives so how are they gonna spin this?
Now consider much of the population is Janssen/J&J (Belgium/US) and not BioNTech/Pfizer (Germany/US) ... and that the former is more about long-term T-cell and IgG antibody generation (81-120 days, lasting 180+), and not short-term, high count IgG antibody generation.
I would love to see how the two vaccines differ ... including those who had just the former, and no 're-vax' (Booster) with the latter. South Africa hasn't done much 'Phase III' ('Boosting') either. Again, I'm really interested in how T-cells end up being the key to SARS Omicron and, indirectly, Delta defeat.
Its hard to recognize what you are talking about when people use the wrong words. I mean, this whole thing started by saying lockdowns didnt work, but since we didnt have lockdowns that is meaningless. As I said earlier, the US didnt really do that much to combat covid early on. The biggest thing was probably having school at home instead of classrooms, and most of the other things that were affected people were compensated for through PPP loans and unemployment. And yes, I understand many people went through a difficult time, but even all of that isnt on the goverment. But this idea the whole country was locked down is complete nonsense and never once happened. And if you think we did have "commie lockdowns", then why arent Trump and Desantis (at least for the people in Florida) being blamed for it, since they would be the ones who would have implemented them?
Because Trump and DeSantis didn't lock things down. Cuomo, Whitmer, Newsom, etc did.
If Cuomo locked things down then why were subways constantly filled with people?
You are incessantly annoying on this. Cuomo forced businesses to close up shop and made church services a punishable activity. That's the kind of stuff we are talking about. Argue the meaning of the word all you want, but you're just obfuscating.
I think the people trying to change the definition of a word for the purpose of exaggeration are the ones obfuscating.
Cuomo also had to push back against Trump who wanted travel restrictions against NYers, but yeah, he shut it all down, or something.
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