At this point, does anyone really want to go to the Big 12 anymore? The league is a joke and has so many problems
Big 12... Why do we bother with this?
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No. I understand why we do if we are invited, but I won't exactly be thrilled about it.
Did you really expect the B12 to make an expansion announcement today? If so, you were hanging out in a land of fairy tales. Before these meetings even started they stated that there would be no decisions on expansion today and that they were planning to meet again later this summer to specifically discuss expansion.
Yes, take it grab for it because we'll be far better off with recruits as a P5. Use it for all it's worth and then do like UT and Okla. and hope you get picked up by a better conference in the next big round of conference shake-ups. In that round no one will be looking to the AAC to fill their conference.
Answer: YES
25-30 million per year >>>>>>> 1 million per year
Nope, didn't expect an announcement on expansion this week at all. I don't expect one for months. Maybe longer. The Big 12 is a joke. I obviously see the gains UCF would make by being added, but how long would those last? Does the league really have a promising future? Is the league going to be able to sustain a P5 status? A few years down the road, it wouldn't surprise me if it's in the same class as the AAC in terms of quality
The B12 future is locked in until the end of the Bowl/playoff/TV deal. So yes it has a promising future. Without a conf network there was 0% reason short term for them to expand. Adding schools increased income only if you get a network, and that is not happening. Adding a champ game will be worth 2 or 3 mil more per school per year.
They still have plenty of time to add later should they decide they need to. To be honest, I think they did the smart thing for now, I would add 2 schools 2 to 3 years before the TV/GOR end. I do believe the long term health of the league would be better at 12 or 14, but there is no good reason to go there right now.
They still have plenty of time to add later should they decide they need to. To be honest, I think they did the smart thing for now, I would add 2 schools 2 to 3 years before the TV/GOR end. I do believe the long term health of the league would be better at 12 or 14, but there is no good reason to go there right now.
I kinda don't want to be in a conference with Texas.
Downsides of joining their conference: alums no longer being able to watch games on cable for free, having to prepare to play against champion-quality competition, no longer getting to choose any seat at weekday evening games, and dealing with swelled-headed superstar recruits who for the first time ever choose us over UF and FSU. I guess we can manage those problems.
Yeah but I like picking up my season tickets for $150 total.
I'm not really sure who they (big12) think they're fooling after Friday. So they added a championship game. Ok, how'd that suddenly make them "swagger" (as quoted from cbs article). Just looks like you took 1 step up. You're still the lowest. The $1 Billion they might get from ESPN/FOX is ONLY if they add teams. You're not exactly pushing around the Big 10 (who are negotiating for a billion plus) if you don't actually add teams to get the money. I guess I'm failing to see what they have done this weeks that makes them look so much "bolder". So you added a championship, and convinced yourselves that having a TV network is so old school. The alcohol must have been flowing.
http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...-bold-big-12-and-it-could-affect-the-big-ten/
PLEASE DON'T LOOK AT BAYLOR! should be the real headline.
http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...-bold-big-12-and-it-could-affect-the-big-ten/
PLEASE DON'T LOOK AT BAYLOR! should be the real headline.
Conference Realignment is ruining College Football. It comes down to Texas being arrogant and feeling above sharing a conference with UCF or USF(hand signal alone would disqualify them). UCF is too big to not be given a chance to compete at the Adult table financially but politics will always try to keep the Program & University down
It's not that having a conference network is old school, it's that it is not financially viable. Cord cutting is making media companies (ESPN/Fox) unwilling to start new conference networks and Cable companies (Comcast, DirecTV, etc) unwilling to pay for new networks.
I know everyone is saying that the ACC might get their own network, but that is a different situation. First, the ACC has been working a network for several years already. Second, any B12 expansion will force ESPN and Fox to pay an extra $20 million or so yearly, per added school on the existing contracts. When you combine that cost with the cost of starting and running a new conference network, there is not enough money available in the conference network to make it feasible.
I'd say if on-field/court results are any indication, the AAC is clearly on the rise. The Big 12 would be nice, but we need to be grateful that we're in a very good conference and I hope we see it strengthen for the years to come. It certainly beats the MAC or CUSA.
We faculty get a modest discount for our season ticket. But our lower deck sideline tickets are under $250/season for the sixth row! At lower attendance games, I was close enough to yell to our guards to reverse the ball to an open teammate or that there was only 10 seconds to shoot. It was almost sad to watch them respond and follow my sideline "coaching." Sadder still, it was easy for them to hear me because most others in attendance are too busy to cheer because they were showing each other their cute grandchildren on their phones.
Politics huh? How about losing to Furman at home. That certainly can't help. Your football team, in a vacuum, is 10 years from being considered for anything.
The Billion required 14, the B12 was not even considering 4.So it would actually 500 mil for going to 12. They gained 1/3 of that with champ game and no new members.
A big part of the other approximately 344 billion would have been spent on the new schools. There is no need for them to expand before next TV deal comes due. Add to that the fact the B12 network was dead in water the 500 mil wouldn't have happened anyways.
A big part of the other approximately 344 billion would have been spent on the new schools. There is no need for them to expand before next TV deal comes due. Add to that the fact the B12 network was dead in water the 500 mil wouldn't have happened anyways.
There may not be a need. But financially it would probably help them get a better TV contract in 2024 if they expand soon. Inviting two G5 teams at the same time they are negotiating a new TV deal introduces a lot of uncertainty. Allowing two G5 teams to grow their fan base and brand as P5 teams for six years or so makes them more valuable in 2024.
It also protects the smaller schools so they aren't left out in the cold like Cincinnati, USF and UConn were when the BE folded.
I hate UT, but let's look at their way of thinking. First, what they say goes for the Big 12 but they inhabit la-la land because they are justifiably full of themselves. Academically, they are light years above the rest of their conference. They also have by far the largest donor endowment total among all state universities in the nation! They have the biggest athletic budget in the U.S., even more than Ohio State. They dominate the entire southwest region for job placement and the top recruiting territory, Texas (with Florida and California solid 2nd and 3rd). So if we want to join the Big 12, we must meet their needs! We can do that, and it's not humbling because we've been eating UF, FSU, and Miami dust for decades. Anything's better than that status quo.
BYU has zero chance because UT has repeatedly said they won't let them in. UT feels they were used by BYU -- not sure they are justified in such feelings, but that's the way it is.Franco>Tuxedo Yoda
That is not accurate at all. The research firms they hired were tasked with running scenarios on expanding to 12, 14 and 16.
The revenue from the championship game has nothing to do with the existing tv contract. That deal hasn't even been negotiated yet, and it will be separate from the network deals. It is expected to add an addition $2.5-$3 million per school per year based on market expectation and average.
The P12 has a network deal and makes far less than the B12 just distributed. And that doesn't include tier 3 rights which each B12 school negotiates for themselves, and deals have ranged from a low of $4 million per year for Kansas State and Iowa State to a high of $15 million for Texas. The ACC and P12 distributions are not even close to the overall tv money the B12 is making.
