Big recruiting weekend - Visit Breakdown

[Poolside Knight]

Sorry for noticing a downward trend before the bottom falls out. You can keep your head in the sand

You want to know what local coaches think about GOL just talk to someone that knows all the local Orlando area HS coaches, there have even been articles in the orlando sentinel about this problem. This Program should build on Florida speed bc another Bortles isn't walking through that door every 2 years to hide the flaws

 

[Knight_Light]

Originally posted by Poolside Knight:

You want to know what local coaches think about GOL just talk to someone that knows all the local Orlando area HS coaches.....

The same jort wearing, too tight coaches short clad dudes who said the same exact thing to every other past UCF Coach (K, McDowell, etc...), as they ALL want "their boys" to go to the biggest program they can go to...and generally recommend their Div II and Div I-AA talent to UCF, which of course UCF tells them no.

Most of these HS Coaches are trying (and desperately) to live their lives thru their HS players...its an ego thing and sadly, has almost nothing to do whats best for the kid (i.e. better for kid to stay at home? go to a program with more PT? etc...).

Many of these FLA HS players have had their own HS coaches CRAP on UCF for 3 1/2 years....as you ever notice how out-of-state players seem to like UCF and the coaching staff quite a bit (even those that don't sign with UCF), as those players spent their HS years with coaches who HAVEN'T crapped on UCF for 3 1/2 years.

2 way street play...talk to the jorts...they haven't changed for 25 plus years.


This post was edited on 1/21 1:08 PM by Knight_Light

 

[firm_bizzle]

Originally posted by Poolside Knight:
Sorry for noticing a downward trend before the bottom falls out. You can keep your head in the sand

You want to know what local coaches think about GOL just talk to someone that knows all the local Orlando area HS coaches, there have even been articles in the orlando sentinel about this problem. This Program should build on Florida speed bc another Bortles isn't walking through that door every 2 years to hide the flaws

Thank you. I was getting dizzy from all of this spin.

 

[SCKnight]

Originally posted by Poolside Knight:
Sorry for noticing a downward trend before the bottom falls out. You can keep your head in the sand

You want to know what local coaches think about GOL just talk to someone that knows all the local Orlando area HS coaches, there have even been articles in the orlando sentinel about this problem. This Program should build on Florida speed bc another Bortles isn't walking through that door every 2 years to hide the flaws

The downward trend being??? that we continue to get quality players from other states as well as Florida? Where is the trend? Seems to me that the trend has been the fewer number of Florida recruits we have the better we have played. Is that not how it has flushed out?

Since you are making the assertion I assumed that you had spoken to these coaches or could link me to a recent article or something of substance instead of pure conjecture. The program should build on Florida speed eh? You mean they don't make fast people in Georgia?

 

[Knight_Light]

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This post was edited on 1/21 12:55 PM by Knight_Light

 

[firm_bizzle]

Originally posted by SCKnight:

Originally posted by Poolside Knight:
Sorry for noticing a downward trend before the bottom falls out. You can keep your head in the sand

You want to know what local coaches think about GOL just talk to someone that knows all the local Orlando area HS coaches, there have even been articles in the orlando sentinel about this problem. This Program should build on Florida speed bc another Bortles isn't walking through that door every 2 years to hide the flaws

The downward trend being??? that we continue to get quality players from other states as well as Florida? Where is the trend? Seems to me that the trend has been the fewer number of Florida recruits we have the better we have played. Is that not how it has flushed out?

Since you are making the assertion I assumed that you had spoken to these coaches or could link me to a recent article or something of substance instead of pure conjecture. The program should build on Florida speed eh? You mean they don't make fast people in Georgia?

No, they just make more of them in Florida.

 

[SCKnight]

Originally posted by firm_bizzle:

Originally posted by SCKnight:

Originally posted by Poolside Knight:
Sorry for noticing a downward trend before the bottom falls out. You can keep your head in the sand

You want to know what local coaches think about GOL just talk to someone that knows all the local Orlando area HS coaches, there have even been articles in the orlando sentinel about this problem. This Program should build on Florida speed bc another Bortles isn't walking through that door every 2 years to hide the flaws

The downward trend being??? that we continue to get quality players from other states as well as Florida? Where is the trend? Seems to me that the trend has been the fewer number of Florida recruits we have the better we have played. Is that not how it has flushed out?

Since you are making the assertion I assumed that you had spoken to these coaches or could link me to a recent article or something of substance instead of pure conjecture. The program should build on Florida speed eh? You mean they don't make fast people in Georgia?

No, they just make more of them in Florida.

And we have several on the team.

 

[goodknightfl]

Originally posted by firm_bizzle:
GOL isn't making the relationships to get the local kids. He should be able to drive around GA/FL and get all the kids he needs. The fact that he keeps pulling these kids out of NY/PA shows his strength in that area and weakness in FL. Without Callahan and Kelly he just can't get the FL kids. Imagine if Randy Shannon were the HC. He's my favorite over Key and I think we could get him for $2 million/year.

Yeah he was a great head coach for UM.

 

[firm_bizzle]

Originally posted by goodknightfl:

Originally posted by firm_bizzle:
GOL isn't making the relationships to get the local kids. He should be able to drive around GA/FL and get all the kids he needs. The fact that he keeps pulling these kids out of NY/PA shows his strength in that area and weakness in FL. Without Callahan and Kelly he just can't get the FL kids. Imagine if Randy Shannon were the HC. He's my favorite over Key and I think we could get him for $2 million/year.

Yeah he was a great head coach for UM.

About the same winning % as GOL.

 

[HoseEmDown]

Which players did we refuse to recruit over out of state kids? Deep Hart, Ha ha Dix, Driskel, Christian Jones all the big name local kids had us in their top 3 but went to big time programs. Orlando area produces good talent not great talent, Apopka kids usually always go out of state, same with Dr. Phillips, most kids from Jones or Evans don't meet our acceptance standards. Paxton Lynch is the only local kid I can recently think of we missed out on because we offered too late. The sentinel does its top 25 local kids list every year and there are about 10 who go to UCF or better type schools, 3-5 of those go to top schools, so there's maybe 5-7 local kids we should maybe offer, those kids also would want to stay close to home and play.

 

[Kevin Reis]

You guys who complain about where we get our football players from are a tremendous bore.

I have been hearing that crap for years.

Look at the history of UCF Sports and you will find athletes in all of our sports from many places, but mostly east of the Mississippi. This includes the Central Florida region.

Any fan who puts limits on where our UCF coaches should recruit is not a fan of UCF Sports. You have your own agenda.


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[Mikesi]

Yeah... Who the heck cares if they are from Florida. Some Florida kids cried when the had to play in the cold and rain at UConn anyway. Just get me good recruits. Athletes who can be coached up and win games.

 

[firm_bizzle]

You are twisting our words. We are making the observation that less than half of our players are coming from in-state while 80-90% of the player from every other in-state school are from Florida. Stop ignoring these facts. There is a reason why UCF is getting most of the players from out of state. Maybe you'll care more when we are 6-6 next year.

 

[Knight_Light]

Originally posted by goodknightfl:

Originally posted by firm_bizzle:
GOL isn't making the relationships to get the local kids. He should be able to drive around GA/FL and get all the kids he needs. The fact that he keeps pulling these kids out of NY/PA shows his strength in that area and weakness in FL. Without Callahan and Kelly he just can't get the FL kids. Imagine if Randy Shannon were the HC. He's my favorite over Key and I think we could get him for $2 million/year.

Yeah he was a great head coach for UM.

Then Miami Head Coach Randy Shannon, who had the tradition of a pretty recent 5 time national championship program...located in the RICHEST talented area per sq mile in the USA....filled his team with 4-5 star players...but only ended up with a 16-16 record in the ACC...with most of their losses vs programs with much less talented rosters.

Yeah...Shannon couldn't win in pretty bad conf with 4-5 star recruits...its not a surprised why no other program would hire him as a HC...because no other program would have all the recruiting advantages that Miami had...where Shannon couldn't even put up a winning conf game record.

PS. I think Shannon is a "nice guy"...but you don't hire a HC because one is just a "nice guy".

 

[goodknightfl]

Our class is starting to round up pretty nicely.

 

[firm_bizzle]

Larry Coker & Al Golden had similar problems while playing in the ACC.

You're right, if Urban Meyer or Nick Saban turn us down, we should go after Brent Key.

 

[KnightMatt8]

Originally posted by Mikesi:
Florida, FSU, and Miami are taking the best Florida recruits. Many of the remainlng kids want to go away from home to play at a P5 school. Therefore..,the remaining talent isn't as great as we are led to believe. We are trying to recruit players under the radar in different states or selling central Florida weather, lifestyle, etc., to northern recruits trying to escape the cold weather. A few other Florida high schools have a bad taste in their mouth from past issues with our coaches and program. We have lost those coaches who have had South Florida ties.

I really don't care or who or where we recruit, as long as we develop them into good players and we win games.

This post was edited on 1/21 1:43 AM by Mikesi

You know, even if UF, FSU, and UMiami weren't winning recruiting battles with us most of the time, I would still say let's sign the best players we can get whether they're from Florida or not. I can't believe that some people in this thread are saying things like "well, I'd rather go after a local player with no star rating than an out-of-state kid with no star rating." If our coaches relied heavily on Rivals and Scout rankings to rate players, I don't think they would last long at their jobs. Aren't they paid to do their own research into who the best prospects are? There have been times when schools like FSU and UMiami have had as much as 40% of their roster come from out-of-state. You get the players from wherever you have to in order to win football games.

 

[hendu1976fl]

1. Who cares where they are from? Are you a local HS coach who has been unable to attract the attention of coach GOL for some of your better players? Honestly, all that I care about it is does the kid want to be here, can he play ball, and will he be a good product in the classroom and in the community.

2. Makeup of the other teams in the state. FAU/FIU- doormats in college football (FIU had one year, then reality set in). Miami/Florida- down, way down historically speaking (maybe over reliance on in-state talent). FSU, now there is a program to emulate. How many arrests? Complaints? USF- no really, USF was mentioned. You want to compare our program to theirs. Okay.

3. All that aside, GOL has burned many bridges with HS coaches here in Central Florida and that is why he goes out of state so much, especially since he lost the Miami pipeline. It's not that he doesn't want to recruit more local players, but for a variety of reasons he struggles to do so. But nevertheless, he still puts an outstanding product on the field.

 

[Deuce511]

Originally posted by hendu1976fl:

3. All that aside, GOL has burned many bridges with HS coaches here in Central Florida and that is why he goes out of state so much, especially since he lost the Miami pipeline. It's not that he doesn't want to recruit more local players, but for a variety of reasons he struggles to do so. But nevertheless, he still puts an outstanding product on the field.

I don't buy this. Every coach has their own pipelines set up and we brought GOL knowning that he has a history of recruiting GA and NY. It makes sense given his history at Syracuse and Georgia Tech. Lots of staff he brought with him also had relationships in those areas which made it even easier.

Does it suck to lose out on nice FL talent to out of state schools? Sure. But you can't argue that we are missing out on good players when they have been bringing in equally good players in their place.

 

[pittstoner74]

I hate it when we only recruit within 4 hours of campus...the world is big...explore it...D Jones does that and the team is horrible...he doesnt get the best kids from the area most of the time..which football wont either..Its best to go to states like Ohio, PA, NY, NH etc and get the best kids the P5 schools dont get and hopefully strike gold...inside the state of Florida, alums do recruiting without actually recruiting...wearing UCF stuff to games or if you have sons on the team you have a chance to talk to them and drop UCF into their ears...I'm betting this kid from PA will be good in 2 years

 

[Poolside Knight]

Originally posted by firm_bizzle:
You are twisting our words. We are making the observation that less than half of our players are coming from in-state while 80-90% of the player from every other in-state school are from Florida. Stop ignoring these facts. There is a reason why UCF is getting most of the players from out of state. Maybe you'll care more when we are 6-6 next year.

This place is such a fishbowl. They treat GOL like a Saban like God. No one can bring up any concerns without the same 5 posters going on their 'with or against us' rants. We all root for the same team

247 is more objective about recruiting and doesn't have technology that outdates AOL instant messenger

 

[SCKnight]

Originally posted by Poolside Knight:

Originally posted by firm_bizzle:
You are twisting our words. We are making the observation that less than half of our players are coming from in-state while 80-90% of the player from every other in-state school are from Florida. Stop ignoring these facts. There is a reason why UCF is getting most of the players from out of state. Maybe you'll care more when we are 6-6 next year.

This place is such a fishbowl. They treat GOL like a Saban like God. No one can bring up any concerns without the same 5 posters going on their 'with or against us' rants. We all root for the same team

247 is more objective about recruiting and doesn't have technology that outdates AOL instant messenger

Ok come back when you have some basis for a complaint and some real evidence to back it up. then we will talk

 

[firm_bizzle]

Originally posted by pittstoner74:
I hate it when we only recruit within 4 hours of campus...the world is big...explore it...D Jones does that and the team is horrible...he doesnt get the best kids from the area most of the time..which football wont either..Its best to go to states like Ohio, PA, NY, NH etc and get the best kids the P5 schools dont get and hopefully strike gold...inside the state of Florida, alums do recruiting without actually recruiting...wearing UCF stuff to games or if you have sons on the team you have a chance to talk to them and drop UCF into their ears...I'm betting this kid from PA will be good in 2 years

It's not an either or. I have no problem with recruiting out of state but 80% of your recruits should not be from out of state when you are in Florida.

 

[Knightfootball]

Originally posted by Mikesi:
Yeah... Who the heck cares if they are from Florida. Some Florida kids cried when the had to play in the cold and rain at UConn anyway. Just get me good recruits. Athletes who can be coached up and win games.

Look the issue of Florida recruits isn't everything but those of you discounting it are off.
You are supposed to have recruiting advantages in state.
Recruiting costs are lower and you should have more intimate contacts with the High school programs in your state.
The fact that Florida is one of the most talent rich football recruit states in the country and other programs from all over try to tap into it because of that should make FL. a priority for us. It is a legitimate concern.

 

[goodknightfl]

Originally posted by firm_bizzle:
You are twisting our words. We are making the observation that less than half of our players are coming from in-state while 80-90% of the player from every other in-state school are from Florida. Stop ignoring these facts. There is a reason why UCF is getting most of the players from out of state. Maybe you'll care more when we are 6-6 next year.

Like all those out of state kids have been giving us 6-6 seasons lately. UF, FSU, and UM are going to cherry pick the top of fla kids, and another group is going to P5 top wrung schools, then UCF gets to fight for what is left.GOL has great conections in GA and NY, there is no reason not to use them.

We have 3 from Fl, 3 from TEX, and 3 from FLA coming in. exactly which of those states should we not recruit??

This post was edited on 1/22 4:14 PM by goodknightfl

 

[KnightMatt8]

Originally posted by firm_bizzle:

Originally posted by pittstoner74:
I hate it when we only recruit within 4 hours of campus...the world is big...explore it...D Jones does that and the team is horrible...he doesnt get the best kids from the area most of the time..which football wont either..Its best to go to states like Ohio, PA, NY, NH etc and get the best kids the P5 schools dont get and hopefully strike gold...inside the state of Florida, alums do recruiting without actually recruiting...wearing UCF stuff to games or if you have sons on the team you have a chance to talk to them and drop UCF into their ears...I'm betting this kid from PA will be good in 2 years

It's not an either or. I have no problem with recruiting out of state but 80% of your recruits should not be from out of state when you are in Florida.

I challenge you to show us a UCF recruiting class where 80% of the signees were from outside Florida.

 

[firm_bizzle]

Originally posted by goodknightfl:

Originally posted by firm_bizzle:
You are twisting our words. We are making the observation that less than half of our players are coming from in-state while 80-90% of the player from every other in-state school are from Florida. Stop ignoring these facts. There is a reason why UCF is getting most of the players from out of state. Maybe you'll care more when we are 6-6 next year.

Like all those out of state kids have been giving us 6-6 seasons lately. UF, FSU, and UM are going to cherry pick the top of fla kids, and another group is going to P5 top wrung schools, then UCF gets to fight for what is left.GOL has great conections in GA and NY, there is no reason not to use them.

We have 3 from Fl, 3 from TEX, and 3 from FLA coming in. exactly which of those states should we not recruit??

This post was edited on 1/22 4:14 PM by goodknightfl

Strawman argument.

 

[firm_bizzle]

Originally posted by KnightMatt8:

Originally posted by firm_bizzle:

Originally posted by pittstoner74:
I hate it when we only recruit within 4 hours of campus...the world is big...explore it...D Jones does that and the team is horrible...he doesnt get the best kids from the area most of the time..which football wont either..Its best to go to states like Ohio, PA, NY, NH etc and get the best kids the P5 schools dont get and hopefully strike gold...inside the state of Florida, alums do recruiting without actually recruiting...wearing UCF stuff to games or if you have sons on the team you have a chance to talk to them and drop UCF into their ears...I'm betting this kid from PA will be good in 2 years

It's not an either or. I have no problem with recruiting out of state but 80% of your recruits should not be from out of state when you are in Florida.

I challenge you to show us a UCF recruiting class where 80% of the signees were from outside Florida.

Did you even look at the commit list before typing? 11/14 of the current commits are from out of state.

This post was edited on 1/23 12:26 AM by firm_bizzle

 

[pittstoner74]

Last years roster had 104 players...66 were from Florida...63% of roster from Florida...this years class isnt done yet..some of the OOS recruits are the ones that me decommitt....its not a big deal at this point..But I want to recruit the entire nation.