Carlson floats conspiracy theory that the FBI orchestrated the Jan. 6 Capitol attack

[ElprofesorJuan]

Carlson floats conspiracy theory that the FBI orchestrated the Jan. 6 Capitol attack

During his Fox News show on Tuesday night, Tucker Carlson elaborated on a conspiracy theory that the FBI was behind the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol.

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Ohhh.

 

[Crazyhole]

This is an example of something that shouldn't be dismissed out of hand.

 

[UCFBS]

This is an example of something that shouldn't be dismissed out of hand.

But it's also an example of hyperbole from the right-wing media too.

Frankly, as much as I hate how some government agents entrap people and subvert freedom, they still brought guns and went into the Capitol building, in violation of the law.

 

[Crazyhole]

But it's also an example of hyperbole from the right-wing media too.

Frankly, as much as I hate how some government agents entrap people and subvert freedom, they still brought guns and went into the Capitol building, in violation of the law.

Did you read the Revolver article? It's pretty compelling and very well researched.

 

[UCFBS]

Did you read the Revolver article? It's pretty compelling and very well researched.

Yes, and 2 others from left and moderate outlets that covered it. Remember, I'm a Libertarian. This has been my #1 issue with the FBI since 1998.

And I've even worked with the FBI. There are 2 types ... those who think this violates their charter, and those who condone it.

The former tend to be older and not in DC. The latter tend to be younger and inside the beltway.

 

[sk8knight]

But it's also an example of hyperbole from the right-wing media too.

Frankly, as much as I hate how some government agents entrap people and subvert freedom, they still brought guns and went into the Capitol building, in violation of the law.

Hyperbole, maybe. But look at all the things in the last 4 years that were inconceivable when first presented but turned out to be real. I think keeping a bit of an open mind isn’t a bad idea.

 

[UCFBS]

Hyperbole, maybe. But look at all the things in the last 4 years that were inconceivable when first presented but turned out to be real. I think keeping a bit of an open mind isn’t a bad idea.

You mean all the false flags ... from Judism to Jessie? Yeah, I know.

 

[NinjaKnight]

Fuking nut job.

Half the people on this board get their news from him.

 

[goodknightfl]

I just watched the clip, I don't have Fox news so never see Tucker. I have no doubt FBI is inside these groups, and they should be. The question would be are they there to have inside info on future events, or to direct the groups to accomplish the political desires of the leadership in the FBI. I would hope and expect it is mostly intel, but considering some of what the FBI did in the Russian Collusion hoax, that pushing these groups to break the law when they wouldn't have or pushing them to doing more than they would have done is quite possible.

 

[chemmie]

This is an example of something that shouldn't be dismissed out of hand.

Right wingers are an amazing example for why the scientific method and logic should be required education for multiple years.

 

[Crazyhole]

Right wingers are an amazing example for why the scientific method and logic should be required education for multiple years.

Lol. Did you even consider the hypothesis? Did you test it? Did you come to a conclusion? Were you able to reproduce that result?

No to all of the above because instead of using logic and the scientific method you relied on confirmation bias and faith. You are hardly in a position to criticize anyone for their critical thinking skills.

 

[sk8knight]

You mean all the false flags ... from Judism to Jessie? Yeah, I know.

That. Although I meant things like:

Trump: They’re spying on my campaign
Media and Democrats: That’s the craziest thing in the world and anyone that believes it is dangerously stupid
Reality: They we’re spying on Trump’s campaign and it started with an actual CIA spy.

Trump: HCQ is showing promise as a treatment
Media: That’s the stupidest thing anyone has ever said. Trump wants to kill everyone.
Reality: We’ve seen evidence in a number of places that HCQ has been helpful in treating COVID. Not a cure but helpful.

It went on and on. So you have to a least have a little understanding when someone says something that seems crazy and everyone overreacts that some people might remember all the other times that happened recently.

 

[Crazyhole]

I just watched the clip, I don't have Fox news so never see Tucker. I have no doubt FBI is inside these groups, and they should be. The question would be are they there to have inside info on future events, or to direct the groups to accomplish the political desires of the leadership in the FBI. I would hope and expect it is mostly intel, but considering some of what the FBI did in the Russian Collusion hoax, that pushing these groups to break the law when they wouldn't have or pushing them to doing more than they would have done is quite possible.

Read the Revolver article. Almost half of the Whitmer kidnapping plot were either FBI agents or informants. It isn't a stretch to assume that they were also involved in 1-6 considering the number of unindicted co-conspirators.

 

[sk8knight]

Read the Revolver article. Almost half of the Whitmer kidnapping plot were either FBI agents or informants. It isn't a stretch to assume that they were also involved in 1-6 considering the number of unindicted co-conspirators.

When this nation’s due process turns from “did they do the crime” to “were we able to entice them into an attempt to do a crime” then our nation will have completed the transformation into Stalinist society that some people seem to want so badly.

 

[Crazyhole]

When this nation’s due process turns from “did they do the crime” to “were we able to entice them into an attempt to do a crime” then our nation will have completed the transformation into Stalinist society that some people seem to want so badly.

And big government sycophants like Chemmie don't even think twice about it. Within 24 hours of the question being posed, he already concluded that government couldn't have had anything to do with it because it challenges his paradigm. It's easier to live in the dark shadow of your overlord I guess.

 

[Knight In TN]

Right wingers are an amazing example for why the scientific method and logic should be required education for multiple years.

Let me ask you something…

Is it the job of the media to look into things the government does and expose those things to the public? Call them… watchdogs, if you will?

I find it alarming that you don’t even want to hear about the mere possibility that the riot on 1/6 was encouraged by the FBI (or people working with them). You really trust other people with that much power over you?

 

[Happy Hands]

Ugh. I hate it when Carlson says something that’s probably true. That means someone is attempting to control the narrative. They get Carlson to say it so people will write it off as conspiracy or white supremacist beliefs without giving it any merit. That’s my theory anyway.

 

[OLearyLastCall]

It’s not the craziest conspiracy theory. The Feds MO is typically infiltrating extremist groups. A bipartisan commission to find out all of these details would be helpful.

 

[Cubs79]

If this does end up being true (which is a big if), you guys realize at probably came from orders from Trump right? Emails were just released this week showing how Trump and his staff were pressuring people in the DOJ and other areas to invalidate the election, so it would be no surprise if he reached out to the FBI too.

 

[Cubs79]

Let me ask you something…

Is it the job of the media to look into things the government does and expose those things to the public? Call them… watchdogs, if you will?

I find it alarming that you don’t even want to hear about the mere possibility that the riot on 1/6 was encouraged by the FBI (or people working with them). You really trust other people with that much power over you?

I want to hear about it. This is why they should have had a commission on it.

 

[Knight In TN]

I want to hear about it. This is why they should have had a commission on it.

Ahh yes. Government investigating government. Very trustworthy.

 

[Knight In TN]

If this does end up being true (which is a big if), you guys realize at probably came from orders from Trump right? Emails were just released this week showing how Trump and his staff were pressuring people in the DOJ and other areas to invalidate the election, so it would be no surprise if he reached out to the FBI too.

Because Trump and the FBI had a notoriously cozy relationship where he could ask them to do illegal things and they would do whatever he wanted?

I expect better arguments from you. You’re usually better than Shuck, but that’s a very poor effort.

 

[Cubs79]

Ahh yes. Government investigating government. Very trustworthy.

Right, so you want to know about it, just not actually have people in charge look into it and do anything about it. You guys are all over the place with his.

 

[DaShuckster]

It’s not the craziest conspiracy theory. The Feds MO is typically infiltrating extremist groups.

I agree with goodknightfl, it's primarily to get intel on future events -- you know, like the plot to kidnap and murder of Michigan's governor.
But the notion the FBI was part of some sinister, Deep State effort to thwart Trump's Will is typical right-wing conspiracy garbage.

A bipartisan commission to find out all of these details would be helpful.

Naw, it's better to protect democracy by spewing "compelling" right-wing trash about the FBI without any bipartisan efforts to get to the truth.

 

[Cubs79]

Because Trump and the FBI had a notoriously cozy relationship where he could ask them to do illegal things and they would do whatever he wanted?

I expect better arguments from you. You’re usually better than Shuck, but that’s a very poor effort.

The FBI has more or less admitted they handled it poorly. Plus, the FBI never did anything to hurt Trump. Add that to the fact we know Trump's team sent emails to people trying to invalidate the results, it most is certainly a strong possibility. If you cant see that, that's on you.

 

[Knight In TN]

Right, so you want to know about it, just not actually have people in charge look into it and do anything about it. You guys are all over the place with his.

I don’t really trust the people in charge to look into the people in charge. That just means I understand self-preservation.

 

[Cubs79]

I don’t really trust the people in charge to look into the people in charge. That just means I understand self-preservation.

Yeah, I think it means you don't want Republicans to be investigated.

 

[hemightbejeremy]

I don’t think the attack was orchestrated by the FBI given the event held by the former President down the street. However it wouldn’t be surprising to learn that there were insiders who facilitated the entry into the capital that day. Part of why many felt a congressional investigation was warranted.

 

[Knight In TN]

Yeah, I think it means you don't want Republicans to be investigated.

Idgaf about Republicans, but nice projection.

 

[Cubs79]

Idgaf about Republicans, but nice projection.

So, if Trump had won, and Antifa did this trying to delay/overthrow the results in favor of Biden, you would be ok without investigations? Sorry, I don't buy it. The lack of investigations protects some people from the Republican party, we all know this, and we all know this is why they all voted it down.

 

[Happy Hands]

Right, so you want to know about it, just not actually have people in charge look into it and do anything about it. You guys are all over the place with his.

It might as well be. The 9/11 commission was pretty much a failure. They face roadblocks and people trying to avoid blame everywhere. I don’t see any reason to believe that an outside group would be anymore successful than an inside group in getting to the truth. If the FBI doesn’t want the truth out there, it won’t get out. Think of the wing of the FBI that would create this type of chaos as a secret police or even American KGB.

 

[sk8knight]

If this does end up being true (which is a big if), you guys realize at probably came from orders from Trump right? Emails were just released this week showing how Trump and his staff were pressuring people in the DOJ and other areas to invalidate the election, so it would be no surprise if he reached out to the FBI too.

It’s possible but look at it from a different perspective. Up until 1/6, the only riots we had were by leftist groups and the Democrat party was talking a huge amount of heat for their support, tacit or explicit. After 1/6, we’ve not heard another word about any riot other than 1/6 and that has been a perfect vehicle to rail against Republicans, conservatives, and all things Trump. They’re even getting a Congressional investigation where they get to make the rules on who is interviewed and what evidence is admissible to frame their report.

Given the results, which would’ve been entirely predictable, it is far more likely that any orchestrated effort from within the political shower would’ve come from a group supporting the left. Especially with the Capitol Police being the organization that fell on their ass and not the USSS.

 

[Cubs79]

It’s possible but look at it from a different perspective. Up until 1/6, the only riots we had were by leftist groups and the Democrat party was talking a huge amount of heat for their support, tacit or explicit. After 1/6, we’ve not heard another word about any riot other than 1/6 and that has been a perfect vehicle to rail against Republicans, conservatives, and all things Trump. They’re even getting a Congressional investigation where they get to make the rules on who is interviewed and what evidence is admissible to frame their report.

Given the results, which would’ve been entirely predictable, it is far more likely that any orchestrated effort from within the political shower would’ve come from a group supporting the left. Especially with the Capitol Police being the organization that fell on their ass and not the USSS.

How many more riots have there been since 1/6? Maybe a few here and there but you aren't hearing about other riots, because they have mostly stopped.

If anyone seriously thought this was from the left investigations would have started months ago. If that is honestly what you think, then essentially you are saying the Republicans doesn't want to hold these groups accountable, since they are the ones downplaying the whole thing and not wanting investigations. Do you honestly think that makes sense at all? That the Republicans don't want to hold "leftist groups" accountable for storming the capitol?

 

[hemightbejeremy]

It’s possible but look at it from a different perspective. Up until 1/6, the only riots we had were by leftist groups and the Democrat party was talking a huge amount of heat for their support, tacit or explicit. After 1/6, we’ve not heard another word about any riot other than 1/6 and that has been a perfect vehicle to rail against Republicans, conservatives, and all things Trump. They’re even getting a Congressional investigation where they get to make the rules on who is interviewed and what evidence is admissible to frame their report.

Given the results, which would’ve been entirely predictable, it is far more likely that any orchestrated effort from within the political shower would’ve come from a group supporting the left. Especially with the Capitol Police being the organization that fell on their ass and not the USSS.

How did the leftist masterminds convince Trump to hold a rally down the street and tell people he was going to March to the Capitol with them?

 

[Cubs79]

How did the leftist masterminds convince Trump to hold a rally down the street and tell people he was going to March to the Capitol with them?

And why are Republicans refusing to investigate them?

 

[UCFBS]

Fuking nut job.
Half the people on this board get their news from him.

And yet, not just Libertarians like Reason are covering it, but Democrats on Rising and even Socialist Democrats magazines like Jacobin are warning about Progressivism ...

We Shouldn’t Trust the FBI’s Narrative on the Gretchen Whitmer Kidnapping Scheme

The details of the kidnapping plot targeting Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer are disturbing and show the real danger of the far right. But given the FBI’s very recent history of using undercover informants as provocateurs to push people into planning “terror plots” that otherwise would have...

www.jacobinmag.com

Trump: They’re spying on my campaign
Media and Democrats: That’s the craziest thing in the world and anyone that believes it is dangerously stupid
Reality: They we’re spying on Trump’s campaign and it started with an actual CIA spy.

Indeed. Lefties, listen up ...

I'm fine with Trump getting investigated as President. But when they were spying on Private Citizen Trump during an Election Year and claiming he was 'The Manchurian Candidate' using FISA Courts ... listen to the actual Judges that sit on those FISA Courts!

Seriously. That's my problem! Going after Private Citizens for Political reasons.

When this nation’s due process turns from “did they do the crime” to “were we able to entice them into an attempt to do a crime” then our nation will have completed the transformation into Stalinist society that some people seem to want so badly.

Exactly. And here we have it ...

I agree with goodknightfl, it's primarily to get intel on future events -- you know, like the plot to kidnap and murder of Michigan's governor.

Just like Pre-crime ... how far do you take it?

The ACLU, Libertarians and even Democratic Socialists aren't 'wrong' for siding with the Republicans on this. And that's why people like you, and Ninja, scare me.

Every since you condoned throwing Miller of the NYTimes in jail for 'National Security' purposes, or tapped all AP phones of all journalists to get at Rosen of Fox News.

But the notion the FBI was part of some sinister, Deep State effort to thwart Trump's Will is typical right-wing conspiracy garbage.

If that's the case, why are non-Republicans and anti-Trump people calling for investigations?!

Naw, it's better to protect democracy by spewing "compelling" right-wing trash about the FBI without any bipartisan efforts to get to the truth.

Saving Democracy by subverting it?

You're one of the people that approved the expansion of 'Gun Running' too I take it? And don't think the politicians were wrong when they knowingly held up a gun that was from Gun Running?

Do you understand @sk8knight's point about Castro'ism and Stalin'ism?

Because Democratic Socialists do!!!

 

[UCFBS]

How did the leftist masterminds convince Trump to hold a rally down the street and tell people he was going to March to the Capitol with them?

That's actually not illegal.
And had they never entered the buildings, it would not have been illegal.

Otherwise you'd have to throw over a million people in jail in just the past couple of years too.

 

[hemightbejeremy]

That's actually not illegal.
And had they never entered the buildings, it would not have been illegal.

Otherwise you'd have to throw over a million people in jail in just the past couple of years too.

Not illegal, but an obvious catalyst. Unless you are willfully ignorant.

 

[UCF11and1]

All we need is the picture of an FBI agent physically pushing people to enter the Capitol

 

[UCFBS]

Not illegal, but an obvious catalyst. Unless you are willfully ignorant.

And it's that attitude why we had 'secret police' in Oregon too.

That's the difference between you and I. You want to only stop Trump and Republicans.

I want to stop all of you!