ADVERTISEMENT

CDC QUIETLY ADMITS ONLY 6% COVID DEATHS WERE JUST COVID

_glaciers

_glaciers

Bronze Knight
Feb 25, 2020
1,657
835
113
"For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups. "

COVID-19 Provisional Counts - Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics

Tabulated data on provisional COVID-19 deaths by age, sex, race and Hispanic origin, and comorbidities. Also includes an index of state-level and county-level mortality data available for download.
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov
 
I’m surprised 6% only show Covid since it’s not really a manner of death. Here are the other cause numbers.

Pneumonia: 64,465
Chronic Lower Respiratory Disease: 12,947
Adult Respiratory Distress Syndrome: 21,054
Respiratory Failure: 52,045
Respiratory Arrest: 3,158
Other Diseases of the Respiratory System: 5,311

it’s unlikely any of these causes would have anything to do with Covid.

Great investigative work. Now we can update the history books for the 1918 pandemic as well since those deaths were from pneumonia and not the pandemic. Phew.
 
  • Like
Reactions: OLearyLastCall
Wuhan Flu is just the trigger that pushes people over the edge in most cases. There is nothing new in that admission. A large group of the people who died from Feb-July, would likely not have seen the new year. But enough of them likely would have, to make it hard to swallow.
The good thing about Wuhan has always been, most of those dying were already dying. That does not make it easier on the families who lost love ones, but the reality is most would have been saying goodbye very soon anyways.
We had a friend die about 3 weeks ago who had Covid, and her death is counted as a Covid death She was 93 years old with advanced dementia, heart and lung issues, and was already under Hospice care. She had weeks to a couple of months to live, with or without Wuhan Flu.
 
hemightbejeremy said:
I’m surprised 6% only show Covid since it’s not really a manner of death. Here are the other cause numbers.

Pneumonia: 64,465
Chronic Lower Respiratory Disease: 12,947
Adult Respiratory Distress Syndrome: 21,054
Respiratory Failure: 52,045
Respiratory Arrest: 3,158
Other Diseases of the Respiratory System: 5,311

it’s unlikely any of these causes would have anything to do with Covid.

Great investigative work. Now we can update the history books for the 1918 pandemic as well since those deaths were from pneumonia and not the pandemic. Phew.
Click to expand...

A chronic condition wouldn't have been caused by covid, so there's a sticking point on that one.
 
KNIGHTTIME^ said:
I'm shocked people still live in fear after seeing all the facts. Amazing how msm can control the masses. Little sheep.
Click to expand...
Let's put it in perspective:

Since this virus was unleashed on the world, every day you wake up you have a 1 in 2,187,500 chance of dying while having the virus. Take that number times 6% (according to the CDC) and you'll find the odds of dying from it and nothing else. It's basically a 1 in 37 million chance that you'll die from it and only it.

For people under the age of 55 its about 1/80th of that, so 1 in 2.9 billion chance that you die from covid on any given day over the last 9 months.
 
hemightbejeremy said:
I’m surprised 6% only show Covid since it’s not really a manner of death. Here are the other cause numbers.

Pneumonia: 64,465
Chronic Lower Respiratory Disease: 12,947
Adult Respiratory Distress Syndrome: 21,054
Respiratory Failure: 52,045
Respiratory Arrest: 3,158
Other Diseases of the Respiratory System: 5,311

it’s unlikely any of these causes would have anything to do with Covid.

Great investigative work. Now we can update the history books for the 1918 pandemic as well since those deaths were from pneumonia and not the pandemic. Phew.
Click to expand...

Yep. I dont understand this idea of downplaying it because a lot of people had other conditions. We knew from the get go that people with other types of health issues were more susceptible.
 
Crazyhole said:
www.nytimes.com

Your Coronavirus Test Is Positive. Maybe It Shouldn’t Be. (Published 2020)

The usual diagnostic tests may simply be too sensitive and too slow to contain the spread of the virus.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
Up to 90% of positive tests shouldnt have been called positive.
Click to expand...

That's not really what it means but there's something to the story- we are using a very simplistic yes/no test result paradigm when that doesn't remotely tell us the full story. A lot of people are probably testing positive with barely any viral load but we don't know, that so they're treated as if they're a raging super spreader.

We really need to start including cycle times in test results to assess if someone is really contagious or not. We've been assuming asymptomatic positives are capable of spreading COVID but that may not remotely be the case if they're testing positive but with barely any viral load.

So instead of using positive/negative only, we could have Positive + your cycle time and establish when a positive with very low cycle time basically means "go about your business"
 
UCFKnight85 said:
That's not really what it means but there's something to the story- we are using a very simplistic yes/no test result paradigm when that doesn't remotely tell us the full story. A lot of people are probably testing positive with barely any viral load but we don't know, that so they're treated as if they're a raging super spreader.

We really need to start including cycle times in test results to assess if someone is really contagious or not. We've been assuming asymptomatic positives are capable of spreading COVID but that may not remotely be the case if they're testing positive but with barely any viral load.

So instead of using positive/negative only, we could have Positive + your cycle time and establish when a positive with very low cycle time basically means "go about your business"
Click to expand...
My comment was more about the usefulness of the tests relative to how health departments and governments are using them to make decisions on lockdowns.
 
Crazyhole said:
My comment was more about the usefulness of the tests relative to how health departments and governments are using them to make decisions on lockdowns.
Click to expand...

I agree. The current method isn't helping since every YES is treated on a worst case scenario; if we could graph viral load against a YES then we'd probably completely change our policy.
 
Here are some important numbers that shed light on reality and perception. I strongly encourage you to read the article on the study.

From a Franklin Templeton-Gallup research project (as of July 22,2020):

"Six months into this pandemic, Americans still dramatically misunderstand the risk of dying from COVID-19:

  • On average, Americans believe that people aged 55 and older account for just over half of total COVID-19 deaths; the actual figure is 92%.
  • Americans believe that people aged 44 and younger account for about 30% of total deaths; the actual figure is 2.7%.
  • Americans overestimate the risk of death from COVID-19 for people aged 24 and younger by a factor of 50; and they think the risk for people aged 65 and older is half of what it actually is (40% vs 80%)."
And... "Our poll results identify two major culprits: the quality of information and the extreme politicization of the COVID-19 debate:

  • People who get their information predominantly from social media have the most erroneous and distorted perception of risk.
  • Those who identify as Democrats tend to mistakenly overstate the risk of death from COVID-19 for younger people much more than Republicans."

Also, from a raw numbers standpoint as of 8/22/2020. I want to highlight for those opting out, that there are only 330 deaths from COVID across the entire school-aged demographic. Of working age Americans, there were only 33,595 deaths from COVID (which includes all of the borderline determinations as well).

Total deaths attributed to COVID-19: 161,392
0-24: 330
25-34: 1,241
35-44: 3,228
45-54: 8,501
55-64: 20,295
65-74: 34,334
75-84: 42,587
85+: 50,867
 
sk8knight said:
Here are some important numbers that shed light on reality and perception. I strongly encourage you to read the article on the study.

From a Franklin Templeton-Gallup research project (as of July 22,2020):

"Six months into this pandemic, Americans still dramatically misunderstand the risk of dying from COVID-19:

  • On average, Americans believe that people aged 55 and older account for just over half of total COVID-19 deaths; the actual figure is 92%.
  • Americans believe that people aged 44 and younger account for about 30% of total deaths; the actual figure is 2.7%.
  • Americans overestimate the risk of death from COVID-19 for people aged 24 and younger by a factor of 50; and they think the risk for people aged 65 and older is half of what it actually is (40% vs 80%)."
And... "Our poll results identify two major culprits: the quality of information and the extreme politicization of the COVID-19 debate:

  • People who get their information predominantly from social media have the most erroneous and distorted perception of risk.
  • Those who identify as Democrats tend to mistakenly overstate the risk of death from COVID-19 for younger people much more than Republicans."

Also, from a raw numbers standpoint as of 8/22/2020. I want to highlight for those opting out, that there are only 330 deaths from COVID across the entire school-aged demographic. Of working age Americans, there were only 33,595 deaths from COVID (which includes all of the borderline determinations as well).

Total deaths attributed to COVID-19: 161,392
0-24: 330
25-34: 1,241
35-44: 3,228
45-54: 8,501
55-64: 20,295
65-74: 34,334
75-84: 42,587
85+: 50,867
Click to expand...

This is pretty fascinating data. In one sense, it reminds me of the perceived risks of terrorism post 9/11. I think we've spent like $500 million dollars on anti-terrorism efforts for every life lost since 2001. Conversely, we've spent like $10k on cancer research for every life lost.

Generally speaking, humans are pretty bad at this. We tend to put more weight on potential negative outcomes than potentially positive ones. We also tend to assign less risk to things we do everyday or have control over. Driving a car feels safer than flying in a plane because you have control and it's something you do all the time.

So an extreme and unusual event - a school shooting, passenger plane crash, or terrorist attack - has a far greater emotional toll and tends to create far more fear than is statistically justified. The first hurricane you stare down is a bigger emotional event than the 5th.

Regardless - school shootings, terrorist attacks, plane crashes, and COVID deaths are all bad things. But there's no doubt that as things drag on, the perceived risk decreases. If you live in a country with near daily terrorist incidents, your fear of them decreases. You have no choice but to figure out how to live your life. Of course, that doesn't mean it's irrational to have a fear of a terrorist attack in that environment.
 
_glaciers said:
"For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups. "

COVID-19 Provisional Counts - Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics

Tabulated data on provisional COVID-19 deaths by age, sex, race and Hispanic origin, and comorbidities. Also includes an index of state-level and county-level mortality data available for download.
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov
Click to expand...

Great news! Only 6% of car accident deaths are actually caused by Car accidents. According to data I've uncovered, 94% are caused by blunt trauma to the head! Checkmate Team Apocalypse!
 
KNIGHTTIME^ said:
Not even remotely the same thing. The point is you generally need underlying health issues to die from covid. Locking down the population for a virus that only unhealthy and old need to worry about is insane. They still won't let you go to a freaking gym in New Jersey right now. But...but...you can go to a liquor store. Lol.
Click to expand...

It literally is. See @hemightbejeremy 's post above. You have 50k pneumonia deaths. What do you think caused the pneumonia?

AIDS doesn't actually kill people. It leaves their body vulnerable to things that normal immune system can typically fight off. So by this logic, every single death directly attributable to AIDS is actually caused by something else.
 
Boosted87 said:
This is pretty fascinating data. In one sense, it reminds me of the perceived risks of terrorism post 9/11. I think we've spent like $500 million dollars on anti-terrorism efforts for every life lost since 2001. Conversely, we've spent like $10k on cancer research for every life lost.

Generally speaking, humans are pretty bad at this. We tend to put more weight on potential negative outcomes than potentially positive ones. We also tend to assign less risk to things we do everyday or have control over. Driving a car feels safer than flying in a plane because you have control and it's something you do all the time.

So an extreme and unusual event - a school shooting, passenger plane crash, or terrorist attack - has a far greater emotional toll and tends to create far more fear than is statistically justified. The first hurricane you stare down is a bigger emotional event than the 5th.

Regardless - school shootings, terrorist attacks, plane crashes, and COVID deaths are all bad things. But there's no doubt that as things drag on, the perceived risk decreases. If you live in a country with near daily terrorist incidents, your fear of them decreases. You have no choice but to figure out how to live your life. Of course, that doesn't mean it's irrational to have a fear of a terrorist attack in that environment.
Click to expand...

For many people, COVID is worse than 9/11 or terrorism since they've been so overwhelmed and consumed with the narrative that the virus is everywhere and you're going to catch it and die. Most people after 9/11 were hesitant in big crowds in the public sphere but didn't really worry about terrorism while at home or going into the grocery store; with COVID some people are literally afraid to go outside thinking the virus is everywhere.
 
Boosted87 said:
This is pretty fascinating data. In one sense, it reminds me of the perceived risks of terrorism post 9/11. I think we've spent like $500 million dollars on anti-terrorism efforts for every life lost since 2001. Conversely, we've spent like $10k on cancer research for every life lost.

Generally speaking, humans are pretty bad at this. We tend to put more weight on potential negative outcomes than potentially positive ones. We also tend to assign less risk to things we do everyday or have control over. Driving a car feels safer than flying in a plane because you have control and it's something you do all the time.

So an extreme and unusual event - a school shooting, passenger plane crash, or terrorist attack - has a far greater emotional toll and tends to create far more fear than is statistically justified. The first hurricane you stare down is a bigger emotional event than the 5th.

Regardless - school shootings, terrorist attacks, plane crashes, and COVID deaths are all bad things. But there's no doubt that as things drag on, the perceived risk decreases. If you live in a country with near daily terrorist incidents, your fear of them decreases. You have no choice but to figure out how to live your life. Of course, that doesn't mean it's irrational to have a fear of a terrorist attack in that environment.
Click to expand...
To your point and not to get into an argument about it because it is a fair point, you're comparing apples-oranges because that anti-terrorism number includes both R&D and active fighting. If you wanted to compare equally, you'd not only need to include research but also public money spent on cancer care (not to mention advertising and private dollars which I don't account for in these numbers), which is significantly higher (~$5 billion annually for research vs. ~$150 billion annually for care). The number per person for cancer would be closer to $100k (roughly $89k using severely rounded numbers) per infected. Still a big difference but not nearly the differences in the numbers that you threw out.

Digging into the COVID numbers a bit more for comparison's sake, using 2018 as a yardstick, here are some more death numbers for the group from 0-24 (remember COVID deaths in this group are 330 so far).

Motor Vehicle deaths: 7,381
Suicide deaths: 6,807
Homicide deaths: 5,294
Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS): 1,334
Heart Disease: 1,189
Drowning: 1,129
COVID (projected out through the full year of 2020): 500
Influenza and Pneumonia: 444
Fire/Burn: 368
 
sk8knight said:
To your point and not to get into an argument about it because it is a fair point, you're comparing apples-oranges because that anti-terrorism number includes both R&D and active fighting. If you wanted to compare equally, you'd not only need to include research but also public money spent on cancer care (not to mention advertising and private dollars which I don't account for in these numbers), which is significantly higher (~$5 billion annually for research vs. ~$150 billion annually for care). The number per person for cancer would be closer to $100k (roughly $89k using severely rounded numbers) per infected. Still a big difference but not nearly the differences in the numbers that you threw out.

Digging into the COVID numbers a bit more for comparison's sake, using 2018 as a yardstick, here are some more death numbers for the group from 0-24 (remember COVID deaths in this group are 330 so far).

Motor Vehicle deaths: 7,381
Suicide deaths: 6,807
Homicide deaths: 5,294
Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS): 1,334
Heart Disease: 1,189
Drowning: 1,129
COVID (projected out through the full year of 2020): 500
Influenza and Pneumonia: 444
Fire/Burn: 368
Click to expand...

But why single out that age group? Looking at the least vulnerable age group doesnt give an accurate depiction and it doesnt consider that people in that age group can still spread it.
 
KNIGHTTIME^ said:
Not even remotely the same thing. The point is you generally need underlying health issues to die from covid. Locking down the population for a virus that only unhealthy and old need to worry about is insane. They still won't let you go to a freaking gym in New Jersey right now. But...but...you can go to a liquor store. Lol.
Click to expand...

But we have a lot of unhealthy people in this country. If you were talking about a tiny % of the population I would agree with you, but obesity, diabetes, asthma, etc etc etc are all pretty common illnesses in our society.
 
Cubs79 said:
But why single out that age group? Looking at the least vulnerable age group doesnt give an accurate depiction and it doesnt consider that people in that age group can still spread it.
Click to expand...
Because it's the most glaring group. It's also the group that encapsulates the largest percentage of people that engage in competitive athletics. We've got college athletes opting out because they're afraid of the virus and the numbers just don't reflect the concern for them. This is a college sports site so it's relevant.

Also, look at the numbers all the way up to 64. In the group that encapsulates all of the children and most of the working people in this country, we've only had 33,595 (out of more than 161k) deaths from COVID. We shut down a large portion of our economy and pushed a huge number of people in that demographic out of work and companies out of business for less deaths than motor vehicle deaths or heart disease or cancer or suicide, and if you take out the 55 - 64 group, you lose 11,000 of those COVID deaths. It's true that it ratchets up significantly after that, but the "you're going to kill grandma" fear mongering needs to stop. As I've said from the beginning, there is no reason to lockdown the majority of the population. Rather, we need to lead Americans into responsible hygienic practices and habits and keep on. Which is happening in most places and is effective.
 
KNIGHTTIME^ said:
Now time to get rid of the chud masks.
Click to expand...
LOL---Leave it to a Chud to not understand who the hell Chuds are! :)

Chuds have many wacko, right-wing beliefs but poo-poo'ing the wearing of face masks during a pandemic is certainly one of them. Look it up, Einstein.
 
sk8knight said:
Because it's the most glaring group. It's also the group that encapsulates the largest percentage of people that engage in competitive athletics. We've got college athletes opting out because they're afraid of the virus and the numbers just don't reflect the concern for them. This is a college sports site so it's relevant.

Also, look at the numbers all the way up to 64. In the group that encapsulates all of the children and most of the working people in this country, we've only had 33,595 (out of more than 161k) deaths from COVID. We shut down a large portion of our economy and pushed a huge number of people in that demographic out of work and companies out of business for less deaths than motor vehicle deaths or heart disease or cancer or suicide, and if you take out the 55 - 64 group, you lose 11,000 of those COVID deaths. It's true that it ratchets up significantly after that, but the "you're going to kill grandma" fear mongering needs to stop. As I've said from the beginning, there is no reason to lockdown the majority of the population. Rather, we need to lead Americans into responsible hygienic practices and habits and keep on. Which is happening in most places and is effective.
Click to expand...

I dont know what you mean by it is the most glaring group. And this isnt an athletics issue. The vast majority of people in this country arent competitive athletes. If you are trying to make it a college football discussion I would argue that is a different discussion.

The #s arent as bad because of the measures we have taken though. If we did nothing, the #s would likely be much higher. Motor vehichle deaths are not contagious so that is a non sequitor.

The majority of the population is not locked down, I dont know where you are getting that information.
 
I guess we got off topic a bit talking about lockdowns which are pretty much lifted. But the original assertion that 6% of the Covid deaths are from Covid is still asinine. The 60k deaths from pneumonia, 50k deaths from respiratory failure, 20k deaths from ARDS occur because of Covid. Even though there is not really a Covid manner of death. Arguing otherwise at best just looks uninformed. At worst it is idiotic.
 
Cubs79 said:
I dont know what you mean by it is the most glaring group. And this isnt an athletics issue. The vast majority of people in this country arent competitive athletes. If you are trying to make it a college football discussion I would argue that is a different discussion.

The #s arent as bad because of the measures we have taken though. If we did nothing, the #s would likely be much higher. Motor vehichle deaths are not contagious so that is a non sequitor.

The majority of the population is not locked down, I dont know where you are getting that information.
Click to expand...
The point is that people like you have been pushing panic porn and forcing bad policy decisions right along. As a result, Americans have an unrealistic view of the risks of COVID. It’s ok though, I’ll take my differing opinion out of your safe space and you can go back to thinking that everyone is going to die from COVID.
 
sk8knight said:
The point is that people like you have been pushing panic porn and forcing bad policy decisions right along. As a result, Americans have an unrealistic view of the risks of COVID. It’s ok though, I’ll take my differing opinion out of your safe space and you can go back to thinking that everyone is going to die from COVID.
Click to expand...

I havent forced any policies, so that is a pretty strange point. I also never said everyone was going to die from covid and have no clue what safe space you are talking about. So basically, nothing you said in this post is true and you pretty much just ignored all of my points and questions to you.
 
  • Like
Reactions: hemightbejeremy
Meanwhile in Germany

57O4L4SHHQ3D4HEGTEIWOXFQPA.jpg
 
Boosted87 said:
Great news! Only 6% of car accident deaths are actually caused by Car accidents. According to data I've uncovered, 94% are caused by blunt trauma to the head! Checkmate Team Apocalypse!
Click to expand...
right cuz the car accident causes the blunt trauma.

so COVID causes chronic illnesses, cancer, heart conditions and even gunshot wounds?

checkmate team retard
 
sk8knight said:
The point is that people like you have been pushing panic porn and forcing bad policy decisions right along. As a result, Americans have an unrealistic view of the risks of COVID.
Click to expand...
So THAT is why COVID-19 has been hitting the United States harder than the rest of the world??? 🤪
 
_glaciers said:
right cuz the car accident causes the blunt trauma.

so COVID causes chronic illnesses, cancer, heart conditions and even gunshot wounds?

checkmate team retard
Click to expand...
does it cause pneumonia, respiratory arrest, respiratory failure, or ARDS? You know, the vast majority of the "secondary" conditions.
 
KNIGHTTIME^ said:
The point the mass majority of cases are super old folks with preexisting conditions.
Click to expand...
Yeah. Which seems valid. So there’s no need to lie about a 6% number. It delegitimizes other valid points you might have to push a narrative that is obviously false.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Crazyhole
hemightbejeremy said:
Yeah. Which seems valid. So there’s no need to lie about a 6% number. It delegitimizes other valid points you might have to push a narrative that is obviously false.
Click to expand...
The 6% number isn’t a lie, just not the full story. Just as it’s not necessarily true that every single respiratory cause of death concomitant with COVID was caused by COVID. I’m sure there was some small number of people with those ailments where the COVID was either asymptomatic or contracted in the hospital. The only actual lies are the cases counted as COVID that were clearly not, such as MV fatalities and falling fatalities.

We accuse people of lying too often in this day and age and it really is a pretty terrible slur.
 
Last edited:
KNIGHTTIME^ said:
The 6% is misleading but also is the 180,000 deaths too. But everyone is twisting information. Early they were trying to count everything as dying from covid and not dying with covid. The virus isn't as deadly as we originally thought. As a country our solution of lockdowns for all was worse than the problem.
Click to expand...
What is a lockdown for all?
 
KNIGHTTIME^ said:
We had various businesses that couldn't be open for all. Ridiculous...still in some states you can't go to a gym.
Click to expand...
Yeah, KNIGHTTIME, why can't folks in some states go to a GYM for crying out loud???!?

You'd get the impression its a sweaty-ass place where a whole bunch of maskless people work out by handling all kinds of exercise equipment.
 
DaShuckster said:
Yeah, KNIGHTTIME, why can't folks in some states go to a GYM for crying out loud???!?

You'd get the impression its a sweaty-ass place where a whole bunch of maskless people work out by handling all kinds of exercise equipment.
Click to expand...

My gym has been open since June without one single COVID transmission but thanks once again for your ignorant, unwarranted opinion that no one asked for
 
  • Like
Reactions: Ucfmikes
You must log in or register to reply here.
ADVERTISEMENT

Latest posts

ADVERTISEMENT
Top Bottom
Back