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college student blows $90k college fund, blames parents

I get that, but again there comes a point where the amount of wealth handed down does more than set kids up to be successful themselves. Giving a nice healthy college fund to your kids, sure. Spoil them a little and put a down payment on their fist car, why not... but when it comes to massive amounts of wealth being passed down over generations, that perverts the system.
 
I get that, but again there comes a point where the amount of wealth handed down does more than set kids up to be successful themselves. Giving a nice healthy college fund to your kids, sure. Spoil them a little and put a down payment on their fist car, why not... but when it comes to massive amounts of wealth being passed down over generations, that perverts the system.
Why?
 
I get that, but again there comes a point where the amount of wealth handed down does more than set kids up to be successful themselves. Giving a nice healthy college fund to your kids, sure. Spoil them a little and put a down payment on their fist car, why not... but when it comes to massive amounts of wealth being passed down over generations, that perverts the system.

Again- WHY ARE YOU SO CONCERNED ABOUT HOW OTHERS SPEND THEIR OWN MONEY?

If a guy wants to assure that his family is set for life after he's dead, who in the f*ck are you to say that he can't?

We have a lot of problems in this country, and wealth passed down within families is NOT one of them.

If only you applied this much thought into your own success, you wouldn't be so preoccupied worrying about everyone else's wealth.
 
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Again- WHY ARE YOU SO CONCERNED ABOUT HOW OTHERS SPEND THEIR OWN MONEY?

If a guy wants to assure that his family is set for life after he's dead, who in the f*ck are you to say that he can't?

We have a lot of problems in this country, and wealth passed down within families is NOT one of them.

If only you applied this much thought into your own success, you wouldn't be so preoccupied worrying about everyone else's wealth.

You're still missing the bigger picture. Oh well.
 
You're still missing the bigger picture. Oh well.

Yea, you're only a "big thinker" if you're dreaming of ways to invade people's bank accounts to dictate how they live their lives and spend their money!
 
You stinker, I think I just bit troll bait again.
Yes.

Exactly the reasons I keep saying, it heavily rewards individuals that haven't performed value add activities. That's a perversion.
Value added activities according to who?

I really want to know how your brain works. I want to understand what's the corellation you make between being wealthy and not being level headed because I don't want to think you're butthurt towards rich people.
 
Oh by the way, that "idol" of yours Warren Buffet? Yea, he gave each of his kids $600M in 2012 which brought the grand total to $1.4B total for each kid to date as of then.

His eldest son, Howard Buffett, was made a Director at Berkshire thanks to dad, he therefore was granted huge sums of Berkshire preferred stock, he was able to sit on the Coke board thanks to dad, and dad has come out saying that Howard will be the next chairman of Berkshire once he's gone.

So not only did dad, Warren, already gift obscene amounts of money to the kids, he's also set them up with executive level jobs inside his own company that alone is worth millions upon millions of dollars.

So great- he's giving away most of his stock options. Please just don't bullshit me and say that his kids are coming away empty handed thanks to daddy Warren.
 
Yes.


Value added activities according to who?

I really want to know how your brain works. I want to understand what's the corellation you make between being wealthy and not being level headed because I don't want to think you're butthurt towards rich people.

Hmm, I feel like I'm being trolled again, but it's a ridicly slow day today so I'll bite again.

Capitalism incentivizes people to produce through work that adds some economic value by paying individuals in proportion to the value their work adds. This is what incentivizes people to develop a work ethic, which in turn drives the economy forward. Without the incentives to develop a work ethic, we have less capable people working to move the economy as a whole in a positive direction (same reason a lot of y'all oppose social support programs, even though most of the time they're used to get underprivileged participating more)

Besides work-ethic, massive wealth hand downs create a problem where financial resources are not being allocated to their best use. Again, because that hand-down money is not necessairly going to the most productive endeavors (like buying government influence to stay wealthy, investing in secondary markets to profit off of asymmetric information, etc), the economy doesn't benefit. When you consider that the boomer generation will hand down something like $60 trillion dollars, that's a lot of mis-allocated resource.

When there's incentive to give larger portions of your estate to a charatible organization that you know will put the money to some better productive use, the entire economy benefits and more people have a better quality of life.

I think the mis-perception that people who rely on charity or government at some point in their life are just degenerate leeches turns people off this idea... but fact is most people want to live and thrive independetly. Supporting more people in achieving this is a much better use that will yield much better economic benefits in the long run.

So no, I'm not butthurt by absurdly rich people because I'm already comfortable financially. Just strongly believe that beyond a certain level, handouts to children do more harm than good.

And that's all I've got to say about that.
 
The guy w no kids or wealth got all the answers on both

Ditto frogerz rant except to tweak to say be grateful for what you have desire what you have.

Or be an incessant little bitch w a boner for really wealthy families your pick
 
Hmm, I feel like I'm being trolled again, but it's a ridicly slow day today so I'll bite again.

Capitalism incentivizes people to produce through work that adds some economic value by paying individuals in proportion to the value their work adds. This is what incentivizes people to develop a work ethic, which in turn drives the economy forward. Without the incentives to develop a work ethic, we have less capable people working to move the economy as a whole in a positive direction (same reason a lot of y'all oppose social support programs, even though most of the time they're used to get underprivileged participating more)

Besides work-ethic, massive wealth hand downs create a problem where financial resources are not being allocated to their best use. Again, because that hand-down money is not necessairly going to the most productive endeavors (like buying government influence to stay wealthy, investing in secondary markets to profit off of asymmetric information, etc), the economy doesn't benefit. When you consider that the boomer generation will hand down something like $60 trillion dollars, that's a lot of mis-allocated resource.

When there's incentive to give larger portions of your estate to a charatible organization that you know will put the money to some better productive use, the entire economy benefits and more people have a better quality of life.

I think the mis-perception that people who rely on charity or government at some point in their life are just degenerate leeches turns people off this idea... but fact is most people want to live and thrive independetly. Supporting more people in achieving this is a much better use that will yield much better economic benefits in the long run.

So no, I'm not butthurt by absurdly rich people because I'm already comfortable financially. Just strongly believe that beyond a certain level, handouts to children do more harm than good.

And that's all I've got to say about that.
No #trolling, just bonafide curious.

I tend to assume that you feel as if economic hand-me downs (which btw sounds derogatory as fukc) are concequently tied up to civic financial irresposibility. What does one thing have to do with the other? I am a member of society but I do not feel as if I owe society anything. My existence and contribution to society is based on obeying the law and achieving happiness and personal wealth. I don't have children. I will never have children. I'm still not leaving my money towards the benefit of people that I know nothing about or have no relationship with. Whatever money I have left when I die will go to my wife or my nieces and nephews.

Basically, I don't want to support anyone other than the people that are 100% part of my life. Why would I? I've been unemployed, I've been homeless, slept in Walmart parking lots, yet I never accepted any help to get out of those situations. I did it all on my own, so why can't I just expect everybody else to do the same? What makes me so much more special or better than others?

If this is me thinking like this and feeling this way, what makes you think that a person 10X wealthier than me has to feel any sort of civic resposibility or whatnot? That 60 trillion dollars you speak of is out there and it's getting spent and it's being injected back into the economy, just not in the archaic and borderline socialist way that you think it should be spent.
 
"Basically, I don't want to support anyone other than the peoplethat are 100%part of my life."

I think that captures the fundamental difference in my type of thinking versus most others in the thread, and it's driven by a different view of people on general. That's ok though.

Also, awesome that you were able to pull yourself out of a bad situation like that on your own.
 
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Hmm, I feel like I'm being trolled again, but it's a ridicly slow day today so I'll bite again.

Capitalism incentivizes people to produce through work that adds some economic value by paying individuals in proportion to the value their work adds. This is what incentivizes people to develop a work ethic, which in turn drives the economy forward. Without the incentives to develop a work ethic, we have less capable people working to move the economy as a whole in a positive direction (same reason a lot of y'all oppose social support programs, even though most of the time they're used to get underprivileged participating more)

Besides work-ethic, massive wealth hand downs create a problem where financial resources are not being allocated to their best use. Again, because that hand-down money is not necessairly going to the most productive endeavors (like buying government influence to stay wealthy, investing in secondary markets to profit off of asymmetric information, etc), the economy doesn't benefit. When you consider that the boomer generation will hand down something like $60 trillion dollars, that's a lot of mis-allocated resource.

When there's incentive to give larger portions of your estate to a charatible organization that you know will put the money to some better productive use, the entire economy benefits and more people have a better quality of life.

I think the mis-perception that people who rely on charity or government at some point in their life are just degenerate leeches turns people off this idea... but fact is most people want to live and thrive independetly. Supporting more people in achieving this is a much better use that will yield much better economic benefits in the long run.

So no, I'm not butthurt by absurdly rich people because I'm already comfortable financially. Just strongly believe that beyond a certain level, handouts to children do more harm than good.

And that's all I've got to say about that.
Do you honestly think that these kids have millions just sitting under their mattress? What do they do with that money then? They invest it. Which, in turn, helps the economy. It gives some business and their employees the ability to continue working and growing. This money isn't just sitting idly by.

People using government assistance are not the enemy. The people who swindle and trick the government assistance programs into giving them money while they do nothing to better themselves is the enemy. These are the government leeches. They exist. Look it up.

Blankly stating that giving money to charity where the resource will be "better used" is the most idiotic statement I've ever heard. Year after year there are reports of "charities" ripping off people or only putting pennies on the dollar towards actual good work. This doesn't sound like a positive to me.

Here's a recap of idiotic ideas you need to remove from your brain.
  • Money gifted to children and then invested money is not useless as it provides a means and pay to many people within these businesses.
  • No one is complaining about the actual people on government assistance that are using it and need it. We are complaining about the abusers. Forbes Link
  • Not all charities spend money wisely or productively. Another Link.
 
"Basically, I don't want to support anyone other than the peoplethat are 100%part of my life."

I think that captures the fundamental difference in my type of thinking versus most others in the thread, and it's driven by a different view of people on general. That's ok though.

Also, awesome that you were able to pull yourself out of a bad situation like that on your own.
Thanks!

I guess that's the root of it. You see the world in a socialist (and I don't mean that in a bad way but in the pure purpose of the system) way while most of us here are 100% capitalistic. Then, yes, this will put you in the minority of most arguments.

So you're not crazy, you're just utopic, which is kinda crazy, but not really, so you good...
 
- Money invested in secondary markets to profit off of asymmetric information (I specified this for a reason) does not provide any benefit to anybody.

- I'm not saying people don't abuse the system, but they're in smaller numbers than the average republican believes.

- Smart people will carefully select the charatible organization to give to.
 
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Thanks!

I guess that's the root of it. You see the world in a socialist (and I don't mean that in a bad way but in the pure purpose of the system) way while most of us here are 100% capitalistic. Then, yes, this will put you in the minority of most arguments.

So you're not crazy, you're just utopic, which is kinda crazy, but not really, so you good...

Mmmm, no but I think that capalism needs to be nudged once in awhile when there isn't self correcting mechanisms for resource allocation. That does not equate to socialism.
 
[eQUOTE="UCFEE, post: 133770, member: 552"]- Money invested in secondary markets to profit off of asymmetric information (I specified this for a reason) does not provide any benefit to anybody.[/QUOTE]
Wrong. Look at the current economic landscape. Things have changed, buddy bud. You should know, you want cars to drive themselves.

- I'm not saying people don't abuse the system, but they're in smaller numbers than the average republican believes.
From the looks of it, I would say it's the opposite.

- Smart people will carefully select the charatible organization to give to.
Smart people will make donations in palpable things other than money, like donating time to Junior Achievement or Habitat For Humanity or my boy dingy's foundation. Donating money is a waste. Donate actions, donate time, donate inspiration. That's what a smart person does.
 
Mmmm, no but I think that capalism needs to be nudged once in awhile when there isn't self correcting mechanisms for resource allocation. That does not equate to socialism.
Nope, capitalism is meant to run free and run it's course, provided it follows all legal guidelines. Morality, civic duty, that has no bearing in capitalism.
 
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Mmmm, no but I think that capalism needs to be nudged once in awhile when there isn't self correcting mechanisms for resource allocation. That does not equate to socialism.
As a matter of fact, an even distribution of public resource allocation IS a socialist point of view. This isn't meant to be insulting. I'm not calling you a Nazi or anything like that, far from it. As I stated before, I'm refering to socialism as the definition intended it to be.

You have quasi-socialist views. Nothing wrong with that, I just can't agree with it at all.
 
Nope, capitalism is meant to run free and run it's course, provided it follows all legal guidelines. Morality, civic duty, that has no bearing in capitalism.

Yea, in the classrooms of Chicago Booth and elsewhere unfettered capitalism can run free. In practice, plenty of market failures exist that have to be corrected to keep the system efficient
 
As a matter of fact, an even distribution of public resource allocation IS a socialist point of view. This isn't meant to be insulting. I'm not calling you a Nazi or anything like that, far from it. As I stated before, I'm refering to socialism as the definition intended it to be.

You have quasi-socialist views. Nothing wrong with that, I just can't agree with it at all.

If the belief that perfectly free markets don't work in reality makes me quasi-socialistic, that's fine by me
 
Yea, in the classrooms of Chicago Booth and elsewhere unfettered capitalism can run free. In practice, plenty of market failures exist that have to be corrected to keep the system efficient
Besides barriers to entry and anti-monopoly laws, what else do you suggest our Nation needs to do then? Because anything past that is one too many hands in the pot, if you know what I mean.

If the belief that perfectly free markets don't work in reality makes me quasi-socialistic, that's fine by me
Yes.
 
[eQUOTE="UCFEE, post: 133770, member: 552"]- Money invested in secondary markets to profit off of asymmetric information (I specified this for a reason) does not provide any benefit to anybody.
Wrong. Look at the current economic landscape. Things have changed, buddy bud. You should know, you want cars to drive themselves.[/QUOTE]

I don't follow this. How can someone that profits off of something like flash trading or irrational exuberance benefit anyone but the investor? That's getting someone for nothing again.
 
Besides barriers to entry and anti-monopoly laws, what else do you suggest our Nation needs to do then? Because anything past that is one too many hands in the pot, if you know what I mean.

Plenty of common market failures beyond those two. Again, asymmetric information diminishing mutual gain, externalities that allow players to profit because they shift certain burdens to other players (sounds like the definition of cheating to me), emotional responses of retail players... many others I can't think of but that Google can itemize ;)
 
I don't follow this. How can someone that profits off of something like flash trading or irrational exuberance benefit anyone but the investor? That's getting someone for nothing again.
What do you mean you don't get it? Is that money being earned never spent? Mortages, auto loans, utilities, do the wealthy live for free? They may not be spending money where you want them to, but they're spending money and lots of it and somebody is benefiting from all that spending, just not who you want it to be.
 
Plenty of common market failures beyond those two. Again, asymmetric information diminishing mutual gain, externalities that allow players to profit because they shift certain burdens to other players (sounds like the definition of cheating to me), emotional responses of retail players... many others I can't think of but that Google can itemize ;)
And if it's all legal, what's your beef?
 
And if it's all legal, what's your beef?

Because they're all things that have to be corrected to keep the system from crashing so to speak. The anti-monopoly laws you mention exist for a reason, and there should probably be more controls on some of the other types of market failures.... but as long as the few that can benefit from these failures at the expense of the many have the power (i.e. $$) to make sure these additional controls are not put in place and as long as the many are not educated well enough to see what's occuring right in front of them, some failures will go unabated... to most people's detrement.

This is fun but gotta go
 
What do you mean you don't get it? Is that money being earned never spent? Mortages, auto loans, utilities, do the wealthy live for free? They may not be spending money where you want them to, but they're spending money and lots of it and somebody is benefiting from all that spending, just not who you want it to be.

I'm referring specifically to investments in certain assets that can be turned around and resold for a profit only because certain players are naive. Happens a lot, because fiduciary schmiduciary.
 
Because they're all things that have to be corrected to keep the system from crashing so to speak. The anti-monopoly laws you mention exist for a reason, and there should probably be more controls on some of the other types of market failures.... but as long as the few that can benefit from these failures at the expense of the many have the power (i.e. $$) to make sure these additional controls are not put in place and as long as the many are not educated well enough to see what's occuring right in front of them, some failures will go unabated... to most people's detrement.
And???? That's capitalism!!!!! And it's awesome!!!!!!
 
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I'm referring specifically to investments in certain assets that can be turned around and resold for a profit only because certain players are naive. Happens a lot, because fiduciary schmiduciary.
Ok, but this is x's and o's, this is money being spent in the economy so how does that money being spent in the economy not help the economy?

I already told you some of my story so it's very hard for me to see the side of the one in "need".
 
And???? That's capitalism!!!!! And it's awesome!!!!!!

Dude, by definition that form of capitalism won't survive in the long run. That's why so many people are piling up in Bernie's camp, because if it's accepted that we have a system that benefits a few at the detrement of most, then the most will eventually wise up and push to change the system... I'd rather see a system of controlled capitalism than outright socialism, but that would take getting moderates in congress that can't be purchased.
 
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