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Could UCF be out-recruited by South Florida?

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We are almost always "out recruited" by USF when looking at stars and ratings and such. It reminds me of a comment GOL made regarding coaches who recruit stars and are looking for jobs in three years vs. coaches who recruit for systems and other factors.

Do I want to be the top recruiting class in the AAC? Yes! But, I would rather keep winning championships and trust in the ciaches we have to get the players we need.
 
USF has just about every advantage we do. No reason they shouldn't recruit well. GOL finds talent, I am not concerned.
 
Originally posted by goodknightfl:
USF has just about every advantage we do. No reason they shouldn't recruit well. GOL finds talent, I am not concerned.
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I disagree. Comparing both campuses, stadiums, facilities and recent success we should be the clear choice unless the recruit really loves the west coast or losing.
 
Always but you still have to know what to do with them after you recruit them.
 
EZU would out recruit us a lot too. We go after a different character than those schools. Shoot, we just had a kid switch from us to USF because we pulled his offer. He wasn't going to cut it academically at UCF because we have actual standards. I'm OK with having STUDENT athletes instead of the retards the school out west receuits.
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USF always has and always will get a few standout studs. The problem is they can't get enough guys who can be productive players at the college level. That's why they've only won 9 games over the last 3 seasons.
 
Trust in coaches who have gone 32-8 over the last three years including two conference championships and a BCS Bowl win.....Yaaah.
 
I think everyone needs to understand that recruiting is very complicated. By using the same logic that posters have used here to describe why UCF should be the clear choice over USF, not a single player with a P5 offer should choose UCF. Playing time, coaching style, offensive schemes, location, relationships with staff, other players, school history, parent's wishes..... the list goes on and on as to reasons why players go where they go.

Would you trade higher recruiting classes for 6-6 seasons? I think what we are doing at UCF is working just fine. The goals every year include winning the conference and we have done so. I could care less if we do that with 2 stars or 5 stars.
 
You are talking about Dixon. Is there proof that we pulled his offer due to grades? I am not saying it isn't true, but it is just such a common reason anytime a recruit chooses a different school. I lost count how many times another schools blog has stated that such and such recruit de-committed from their school and chooses UCF because they could not make the grades at their school. It is the go-to response.
 
Originally posted by C-MontCityKnight2:
EZU would out recruit us a lot too. We go after a different character than those schools. Shoot, we just had a kid switch from us to USF because we pulled his offer. He wasn't going to cut it academically at UCF because we have actual standards. I'm OK with having STUDENT athletes instead of the retards the school out west receuits.
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I want thugs and retards. I am not entertained.
 
Position matters. We have recruited stud qb two years in a row.
 
Don't know the statistic for how many that sign with USF actually get accepted and stay
in school academically?

Also, don't know the statistic for arrests per recruiting class? :)
 
Originally posted by AQKnightro:

You are talking about Dixon. Is there proof that we pulled his offer due to grades? I am not saying it isn't true, but it is just such a common reason anytime a recruit chooses a different school. I lost count how many times another schools blog has stated that such and such recruit de-committed from their school and chooses UCF because they could not make the grades at their school. It is the go-to response.
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I don't know if it has anything to do with grades. I think it has more to do with his offer situation. I'm assuming there is someone else on the board that UCF wants. Dixon's comments about he wanted to go a different direction seem to me that it was clear his offer was contingent. I think he saw the writing on the wall and said to himself, let me go check out USF they've been in contact the whole way. USF wants him, therefore he committed there. This didn't seem like any sort of flipping commitment, more the mechanics of how recruiting works.

Dixon:
"I just felt like it was time to part ways with UCF and there are no hard feelings but I feel like I want to take my commitment in a different direction"

Sounds to me that his offer wasn't guaranteed or it was contingent on someone else not filling the spot. I don't blame the kid if that's the case.
 
Originally posted by swift996:

Originally posted by AQKnightro:

You are talking about Dixon. Is there proof that we pulled his offer due to grades? I am not saying it isn't true, but it is just such a common reason anytime a recruit chooses a different school. I lost count how many times another schools blog has stated that such and such recruit de-committed from their school and chooses UCF because they could not make the grades at their school. It is the go-to response.
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I don't know if it has anything to do with grades. I think it has more to do with his offer situation. I'm assuming there is someone else on the board that UCF wants. Dixon's comments about he wanted to go a different direction seem to me that it was clear his offer was contingent. I think he saw the writing on the wall and said to himself, let me go check out USF they've been in contact the whole way. USF wants him, therefore he committed there. This didn't seem like any sort of flipping commitment, more the mechanics of how recruiting works.

Dixon:
"I just felt like it was time to part ways with UCF and there are no hard feelings but I feel like I want to take my commitment in a different direction"

Sounds to me that his offer wasn't guaranteed or it was contingent on someone else not filling the spot. I don't blame the kid if that's the case.
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I thought GOL didn't do that to kids. If he offered and they accepted, they had a scholarship. GOL tells recruits that once they accept they can't take visits, why not have the same commitment to the player?
 
Originally posted by firm_bizzle:

I thought GOL didn't do that to kids. If he offered and they accepted, they had a scholarship. GOL tells recruits that once they accept they can't take visits, why not have the same commitment to the player?
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All schools do it. Certainly, I'm sure different people get different treatment. I think it's written in the offer letter that they reserve the right to pull the offer before signing day. That's why you see a lot of shuffling these last couple weeks as people get spots filled up, etc.
 
I think this year from a recruiting perspective presents a better opportunity for landing better recruits. Last year we had a ton of starters returning. This year there's more opportunity for kids to come in and contribute immediately. You combine that with the Fiesta Bowl win and then winning back to back AAC titles and the fact we've got a history of putting athletes in the NFL -- that goes a long way.

A lot of these kids have want to win and have NFL dreams. Why sit on the bench of a P5 team when you can go to a good program with good coaches and facilities and play sooner? A lot of folks said the Fiesta Bowl win wasn't going to pay off as much last year just because of how the recruiting cycles work, kids aren't all of a sudden going to drop everything with a school and switch to us after months of recruiting over one win. But for this year and the future, I think it absolutely shows recruits what is possible at UCF.
 
Originally posted by firm_bizzle:


Originally posted by swift996:


Originally posted by AQKnightro:

You are talking about Dixon. Is there proof that we pulled his offer due to grades? I am not saying it isn't true, but it is just such a common reason anytime a recruit chooses a different school. I lost count how many times another schools blog has stated that such and such recruit de-committed from their school and chooses UCF because they could not make the grades at their school. It is the go-to response.
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I don't know if it has anything to do with grades. I think it has more to do with his offer situation. I'm assuming there is someone else on the board that UCF wants. Dixon's comments about he wanted to go a different direction seem to me that it was clear his offer was contingent. I think he saw the writing on the wall and said to himself, let me go check out USF they've been in contact the whole way. USF wants him, therefore he committed there. This didn't seem like any sort of flipping commitment, more the mechanics of how recruiting works.

Dixon:
"I just felt like it was time to part ways with UCF and there are no hard feelings but I feel like I want to take my commitment in a different direction"

Sounds to me that his offer wasn't guaranteed or it was contingent on someone else not filling the spot. I don't blame the kid if that's the case.
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I thought GOL didn't do that to kids. If he offered and they accepted, they had a scholarship. GOL tells recruits that once they accept they can't take visits, why not have the same commitment to the player?
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That's not true. I know for a fact he told a player he could commit and still take visits. Just give them the last visit.
 
GOL says.."they have to fit with the program"....so after all this winning, this media, our facilities.....there is absolutely no reason not to win in the American! No bad seasons!
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Re: Could UCF be out-recruited by South Florida?[/URL]UCF_4367 posted on 1/28/2015...
Position matters. We have recruited stud qb two years in a row.
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they arent studs if they cant win the job.
 
I don't think there is a ton of separation in general terms in starting here versus riding the pine at a P5 school. I think it more comes down to the position situation. P5 just gives kids a bigger atmosphere to play in, etc. If you look at guys who transferredfrom P5 programs here, they aren't jumping up the depth chart unless they are plugging a need. Now, if you're a 5 star, yeah you'll probably push to start here, but you'd do the same thing at any P5 school in most positions. QB is a special case.
 
Originally posted by NicolosiKnight:
Originally posted by goodknightfl:
USF has just about every advantage we do. No reason they shouldn't recruit well. GOL finds talent, I am not concerned.
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I disagree. Comparing both campuses, stadiums, facilities and recent success we should be the clear choice unless the recruit really loves the west coast or losing.
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Geographically South Florida sounds more exotic then Central Florida
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Re: Could UCF be out-recruited by South Florida?[/URL]swift996 posted on 1/28/2015...
I don't think there is a ton of separation in general terms in starting here versus riding the pine at a P5 school. I think it more comes down to the position situation. P5 just gives kids a bigger atmosphere to play in, etc. If you look at guys who transferredfrom P5 programs here, they aren't jumping up the depth chart unless they are plugging a need. Now, if you're a 5 star, yeah you'll probably push to start here, but you'd do the same thing at any P5 school in most positions. QB is a special case.
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There is a reason they left the P5 school in first place..Usually playing time because they werent good enough...not many schools in US Winston sits at as a true frosh...but FSU had Manuel who was good enough for NFL...Winston was better and they win another NC if he starts but they didnt pull that trigger...In most cases, if your good, you will be the starter, if not your probably not good enough...lets hope GOL was just gun shy with the freshman last year and he takes over..or this years guy Bo...we need someone other than Holman.
 
Pittstoner, we get it, you despise Holman. No need to post about it in every damn thread. The kid is light years better than any first year starter we have had in ten years other than Bortles. You'll be much happier in life if you just get over this obsession.
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No one told Pittstoner about Holman's 51 yard TD pass to Breshad Perriman at the end of the ECU game. Im sorry that throw wasnt made by Patti and Pete Dinovo didnt come off the bench to lob his last ever bomb of his career.
 
Our average recruit is rated at 2.75 stars and that's the only number that matters. That's on par with Rutgers, Maryland, Minnesota, Illinois, Texas Tech, Boston College, etc. Not bad. I don't pay attention to the rankings because as stated here before it takes into account total recruits.

As far as Holman, I saw a lot of inconsistant play and inaccurate passes all year with top notch receivers saving him on a lot of occasions.

Not sure why this board is so high in him. I watched or attended every game and I'm just not seeing such greatness.
I would be willing to bet that he gets benched at least once this year or loses the job by year's end to Harris or Bo.
 
Originally posted by ucfversusbcs:
No one told Pittstoner about Holman's 51 yard TD pass to Breshad Perriman at the end of the ECU game. Im sorry that throw wasnt made by Patti and Pete Dinovo didnt come off the bench to lob his last ever bomb of his career.
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You're basing the talent level of a QB based on a Hail Mary Pass?? Does this play even happen vs a P5 defensive backfield or any other team for that matter? No. ECUs DBs were total buffoons on that play. Does this play happen with any UCF receiver other than Perriman? No.
 
Compare Holman's first year to Bortles first 12 games starting. There really isn't a difference and Bortles had a better Oline and running game to help.
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Originally posted by Mikesi:
Our average recruit is rated at 2.75 stars and that's the only number that matters. That's on par with Rutgers, Maryland, Minnesota, Illinois, Texas Tech, Boston College, etc. Not bad. I don't pay attention to the rankings because as stated here before it takes into account total recruits.

As far as Holman, I saw a lot of inconsistant play and inaccurate passes all year with top notch receivers saving him on a lot of occasions.

Not sure why this board is so high in him. I watched or attended every game and I'm just not seeing such greatness.
I would be willing to bet that he gets benched at least once this year or loses the job by year's end to Harris or Bo.
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1) It wasn't "all year". Yes, Holman (as for ANY QB, especially those just getting their first real PT), are not great in every game or even in every half...hence why they call it a "learning curve", as most players improve their decision making with more experience.

2) UCF, unlike say in the NFL...where you can sign a new QB every week or even every day, didn't have many choices to use last year and as it turned out, this first time starter, Holman, ended up being the best choice for UCF in 2014, as he showed a lot of promise and had some 1st year success.

Because a fan is hopeful about the future on a player or a unit or a team...doesn't autmoatically mean greatness has already occurred or even will occur.

#1 job for UCF QB (or any player for that matter) is to help win games...and last year, Holman helped get 9 of those Ws (played better in some over others...just like any other player on the team).

Many UCF players "get benched" for bad decisions/bad effort...and if Holman needs to be taken out of a game next year, whoever will go in will gain positive experience.

I don't care if Holman starts 14 games next year or not...I just hope all QB's push each other in practice so that in case of an injury/poor play/family emergency, etc...whoever has to play can help UCF win as many games as possible.
 
Originally posted by Mikesi:

Originally posted by ucfversusbcs:
No one told Pittstoner about Holman's 51 yard TD pass to Breshad Perriman at the end of the ECU game. Im sorry that throw wasnt made by Patti and Pete Dinovo didnt come off the bench to lob his last ever bomb of his career.
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You're basing the talent level of a QB based on a Hail Mary Pass?? Does this play even happen vs a P5 defensive backfield or any other team for that matter? No.
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Really?

Better tell that to Southern Cal...as we all know that could NEVER happen against a P5 team, right?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmydnz2fi8k

Better tell that to Northwestern...how Hail Mary's never work against P5 schools
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2P6aNKeodyI

Better tell that to Wisconsin too...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek3yw6zADls

Better tell that to Cal as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAVP88SXQw8

This thread is obviously not one of your best...as this saying would certainly apply to your comment above:

Remember, its better to be thought a fool than to post and remove all doubt.




This post was edited on 1/31 9:48 AM by Knight_Light
 
Obviously, it's not one of your best jobs of reading, but one of your very best at selective reading. Read the whole post. Point was that you can't rate any talent of a QB based on arm strength or a trajectory of one thrown pass. No one ever said that luck can't occur (which is basically needed in almost all Hail Marys) at any level or the NFL even. However, you're comparing apples and oranges. Just saying that particular pass was so poorly defended it was ridiculous. Every network agreed. Stupid ass ECU defensive back comes off the goal-line and 3-4 DBs all jump early. Every Hail Mary carries it's own bit of a "perfect storm." but please don't tell me how great Holman is based on that play or incinuate that.

Btw., kudos to Perriman. Not many receivers at amy college level make that catch. Amazing concentration!
This post was edited on 1/31 10:06 AM by Mikesi
 
Holman was in his first year as a starter. I think he did a great job considering where he was at. The guy has tons of potential but this season will tell us a lot. If he progresses he could be a star -- if he doesn't he could easily get passed up. Either way I'm not too worried about QB.
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Originally posted by Mikesi:
Btw., kudos to Perriman. Not many receivers at amy college level make that catch. Amazing concentration!
This post was edited on 1/31 10:06 AM by Mikesi
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I agree 100%...as I think some may not realize how hard it was to make that catch...when you have 4 arms waving right in front of you just inches away from the ball...getting in the way of your view.
 
All this expert analysis without many doubting their expert opinions, I didn't know there were so many ex-NFL'ers or ex-NFL coaches or scouts or analysts or ex-FBS college players, or coaches or scouts or analysts on this board. By the way, playing NCAA 14 doesn't count.
 
Originally posted by 80'sKnight:
All this expert analysis without many doubting their expert opinions, I didn't know there were so many ex-NFL'ers or ex-NFL coaches or scouts or analysts or ex-FBS college players, or coaches or scouts or analysts on this board. By the way, playing NCAA 14 doesn't count.
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How do you know? You some kind of NCAA14 expert? Maybe that game does make them experts.******
 
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