Do you still believe in Democracy?
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What??!? You say this while our country is teetering on verge of becoming an autocracy? 🤪
So can your analogy also be applied to the claims that Trump is going to become a dictator? Its not a real threat and all evidence points to the contrary, but the media still on a daily basis compares him to Hitler or calls him a fascist.
ITT: dumb chuds don't realize that there are no new ways to vote in this election. We have offered absentee and mail in voting forever. Nothing has changed yet as soon as Trump is likely to lose our existing system of voting will result in 10s of millions of fraudulent votes.
Y'all are really just a bunch of dumb old dudes aren't you?
Y'all are really just a bunch of dumb old dudes aren't you?
Every credible expert that I'm aware says widespread voter fraud is not an issue in the US. Does fraud happen? Of course. But there's no credible set of expert opinions that describe this is an actual problem. There's no bi-partisan Senate Report on wide-spread election fraud. Chris Wray just testified that that there is no evidence of widespread national voter fraud. Trump's own commission on the topic fizzled out.
On the other hand, experts have been documenting Trump's Authoritarian leanings throughout his presidency. In the 2016 Republican primaries, the number one voter trait that predicted support for Trump in was a predisposition to authoritarianism. Experts worldwide have been discussing the shifts towards authoritarians in democracies. We need to accept the fact that Trump's base of support is completely fine with authoritarian rule, and would gladly sacrifice democratic norms in order to win. Cohen and his sister seem to be raising the alarm. Mattis effectively called Trump a threat to the constitution, seeking to divide us rather than unite us.
So is this a real threat? Doesn't matter. You have to take him at his word and prepare accordingly. Your best case scenario is that Trump is willing to undermine public faith in democracy for his own political ends, but won't actually act on it. That ~30% of the public comes away from 2020 convinced that "the deep state" stole the election from Trump.
But hey, Flat Earthers have a wiki and everything. They can explain away gravity. So their theory for a Flat Earth deserves equal credence to a round earth right?
What about the millions of Mexicans and dead people that voted illegally in California for a net gain of 0 electoral votes. Isn’t that the narrative?
Honest question - have you always felt voting in person was this important? Was this an issue that mattered to you in 2016 when 30% of the Florida presidential vote was cast by mail?
Facebook is not evidence of mob rule. It's what happens when a single private company controlled by a single human has that much power. It's what happens when the greatest weapon of psychological warfare ever created can be deployed against it's own citizenry, and the government lacks the will or power to do anything about it. Facebook is being weaponized by bad actors worldwide to undermine our ability to self-government.
If Trump loses he will step down, Hillary has already told Biden he should not concede no matter what happens. And parts of the left are already pushing the idea Trump wins a landslide on election day but days or even weeks later Biden will win with mail in votes. I personally don't like the mail in vote idea, but if you do it they should have to be postmarked on or before Tuesday Nov 3. As for the original question, yes I still believe in the Republic, of officials voted in by American citizens.
For Boosted above, yes 30% voted by mail, but they had to request ballots and had to sign the ballot, and had to have it in by a set date. Mail in voting like they are speaking of is much looser with many more places for abuse.
For Boosted above, yes 30% voted by mail, but they had to request ballots and had to sign the ballot, and had to have it in by a set date. Mail in voting like they are speaking of is much looser with many more places for abuse.
US attorney in battleground Pennsylvania investigating 'small number of mail-in ballots' found in trash
Nine ballots were found in the trash earlier this week, prompting an FBI investigation.
The only LEGITIMATE consternation here is (1) when must ballots be received by and (2) what are the standards for counting vs discarding the ballot. That's it. Everything else is an attempt to undermine the vote.
Those are real issues we can debate. But regardless of what rules state and local election boards implement, it has zero impact on the legitimacy of the election. The only reason this is a topic of discussion is because Trump is trying to undermine the process.
The only reason is Trump? Seriously? Nobody on the left is doing anything to undermine the results of the election?
Let's pretend for a minute that POTUS was planning to do the following: (1) Tell everyone ahead of time that there's going to fraud. (2) When you lose, argue that it was because of fraud. (3) Use that as a pretext to try and get state legislatures to overturn the recorded vote and certify his electors.
(4) When the media and democrats start to warn of this potential outcome, accuse them of being the ones trying to undermine our elections.
It's ruthlessly brilliant from a Bond villain perspective.
Hillary encouraging Biden to not concede no matter what.
Not that it matters because a candidates concession or protestation means exactly squat, which includes Trump.
Lindsey Graham said on Fox that the supreme court will decide the election, which is convenient they are going to rush through another Trump appointee. There is no reason the SC should be involved in deciding an election, unless it is a Bush/Gore type mess where one state screwed it all up.
If Trump does lose, but somehow still gets to be president, this country is essentially over. THere is no way we can continue to function with business as usual when elections no longer matter. I really hope the people falling for this voter fraud scam Trump keeps yelling about, understand that.
If Trump does lose, but somehow still gets to be president, this country is essentially over. THere is no way we can continue to function with business as usual when elections no longer matter. I really hope the people falling for this voter fraud scam Trump keeps yelling about, understand that.
So a has-been politician said something is a whattabout that makes what the President of the United States said okay?
A candidate's concession is what ensures a peaceful transition of power.
Its not a whattabout, its evidence that there are influential people on both sides bringing the validity of the vote into question.
I'd still like to know what a non-peaceful transfer of power looks like.
I can't imagine it will be any different than 2000. Court battle, ruling from SCOTUS, and thats it. This will be the case regardless of who is the apparent winner. The whole deal about Trump trying to get state legislatures to overrule the vote isn't legitimate either. In which states would this give him an advantage?
Micheal Cohen and Mary Trump are telling us that Donald will do everything he possibly can to cheat.
www.businessinsider.com
Mary Trump, the niece of President Donald Trump, said her uncle would go "farther than you can possibly imagine" to cling onto power if he loses the presidential election.
Mary Trump has emerged as a vocal critic of her uncle, in a recent memoir alleging that a damaged childhood has left him with pathological personality traits.
At a virtual fundraiser for LPAC, an organization dedicated to electing LGBT women to political office, she addressed the president's repeated refusal to commit to a peaceful transition of power and to accept the election result regardless of the outcome.
Asked how far she thinks her uncle would be willing to go to remain in the White House, reported the Huffington Post, she replied, "Farther than you can possibly imagine."
She continued that the president knows that he faces potential prosecution for tax fraud and obstruction of justice if he leaves office. There are people close to him benefitting from his presidency determined not to allow him to lose, she warned.
"He's cheating when he tells people that mail-in ballots are fraudulent somehow. He's cheating when he started calling into question the legitimacy of the election before a vote was even cast. He's cheating when he says if Joe Biden wins, it's rigged…. He's also cheating when he tells people if we don't get the results on Nov. 3 ― which, by the way, during the pandemic would be ridiculous ― if we have to wait, that it's also rigged, somehow," Mary Trump said.
"We need to be clear about what we're potentially facing here," she added.
Mary Trump says her uncle will go 'farther than you can possibly imagine' to hold onto power if he loses the election as he's afraid of prosecution
In a recent memoir, Mary Trump alleged that a damaged childhood had left the president with pathological personality traits.
www.businessinsider.com
Wow, completely unlike what Hillary Clinton did.
Part of me hopes President Trump does lose so we can spend the next 4 years rioting, burning down your cars, businesses, terrorizing your families, etc.
The people who elected Donald Trump, the Senate, the SCOTUS
The 61% and growing population of people that aren’t on board with these protests
Poll Finds Sharp Drop In Support For Protests As Views On Policing Revert To 2015 Levels
The sharpest drop in the AP-NORC poll occurred among Republicans as President Trump has taken a hardline stance against the protests.
www.forbes.com
But you can keep your unhinged House, media, Hollywood, etc
You said you will “spend the next 4 years burning down your cars, businesses, and terrorizing your families”. I was just wondering whose cars and businesses you are burning down and whose families you are terrorizing exactly.The people who elected Donald Trump, the Senate, the SCOTUS
The 61% and growing population of people that aren’t on board with these protests
Poll Finds Sharp Drop In Support For Protests As Views On Policing Revert To 2015 Levels
The sharpest drop in the AP-NORC poll occurred among Republicans as President Trump has taken a hardline stance against the protests.
But you can keep your unhinged House, media, Hollywood, etc
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