Does any of it really matter?

[SCKnight]

I was sitting watching the Fl-GA game and listing to friends talk about their feelings for coach Richt. Here is a program that has everything. Money, history, facilities, support, exposure, one of the most beautiful campuses in America etc.. and they cant get over the hump to win championships. My UGA friends are talking about possible coaches and the same names are coming up as are coming up for UCF. What do they want...

1. A "young up and coming coach"
2. The next great offense minded coach
3. a great recruiter
4. Brings in a creative new staff

They are also split between the fire Richt camp and the keep Richt camps. They are currently plagued with injuries. They have everything including a coach UCF would probably hire tomorrow. Yet they are likely to be looking for a new coach despite the fact that he has a higher winning percentage than any other coach in UGA history

So I start thinking; That sounds like everything we want. Why would any coach go to UCF when they can go to UGA, or USC or S. Carolina or UM? So I start thinking what does UCF have that other places do not? What are things people are always touting on this board?

1. Location?
2. Facilities?
3. Large student body?
4. Potential?
5. Lower expectations

Since 1984 I have heard the same thing over and over. UCF is a sleeping giant; Located in a hotbed of recruiting; huge school with lots of potential, blah blah blah. My view from my history is that none of that matters. The only thing that matters is conference affiliation. Period. I have heard people spouting the same drivel about location, size etc. for 30 years. So when it comes time to replace a coach I really don't think that any of that matters. I don't think it matters that much for recruiting either. Money and exposure, that is what maters, and that comes from conference affiliation. As long as UCF is in a lower level conference we can expect more of the same. My guess is that our next coach is a crapshoot at best.

I hope I am wrong. I hope our image has changed so that we are able to attract a great coach. I hope we get the "young up and coming coach; next great offensive mind; incredible recruiter". I will support whoever is coaching here. It will take a lot for me to ever start a "fire coach ______" thread. Especially if that coach is winning championships. But I am not expecting to be swept off my feet. I have been a UCF fan for too long to have such expectations.

 

[Poolside Knight]

Since 1984 I have heard the same thing over and over. UCF is a sleeping giant; Located in a hotbed of recruiting; huge school with lots of potential, blah blah blah. My view from my history is that none of that matters. The only thing that matters is conference affiliation. Period. I have heard people spouting the same drivel about location, size etc. for 30 years. So when it comes time to replace a coach I really don't think that any of that matters. I don't think it matters that much for recruiting either. .

Yes it does. Why do you think you have agents immediately leaking candidates interest in the UCF job? Do you think if UCF was located in Montana and was 0-9 no one would argue about any of this potential. In my opinion the UCF administration mismanaged things in the past with the Football program which is why you have experienced a slow crawl of a lot of downs and finally some ups before crashing down again. Just about every objective opinion is that GOL underachieved in the recruiting aspect of things locally and UCF still got a BCS Bowl win and top 10 finish(led by a QB who grew up 10 minutes from UCF's campus). A coach that can build a Program focused on Florida athletes will hopefully have less downturns with a higher ceiling.

No one here is arguing that a coaching candidate would pick South Carolina or Georgia over UCF. You undervalue the location advantage of UCF and how certain candidates would rather coach here vs Big10 schools like Illinois, Iowa State, & Minnesota

 

[SCKnight]

You undervalue the location advantage of UCF and how certain candidates would rather coach here vs Big10 schools like Illinois, Iowa State, & Minnesota

I am not sure that I do. Historically it has been a lot of talk. Not with just GOL but with every coach here. I just have not seen any real evidence that we have local recruits who would really rather attend UCF. In fact I believe that the location lends itself to players from out of state who are blown away by the Central Florida lifestyle. I think the major factor has been conference affiliation. Have we missed some local recruits sure. But I would guess that many of those were diamonds in the rough. Players that really mature while at college. Much like may Florida fans were wondering how they missed Blake Bortles. I still don't think location means that much in recruiting battles.

Also I don't think location is going to mean as much to a young up and coming coach. They will go where they see the best opportunity. An older coach might be more attractive to a UCF, especially if they have already been an HC in the big leagues.

 

[Poolside Knight]

Also I don't think location is going to mean as much to a young up and coming coach. They will go where they see the best opportunity..

I would bet that a rising SEC coordinator like Collins would much rather coach at UCF over Illinois or Minnesota

You can be down on the job but a lot of people that cover other In State Programs think more highly of the UCF opening than you do & it has everything to do w location.

covers USF and FSU...


and national

 

[UCFan9906]

Quality posts by SC.

 

[Poolside Knight]

about UGA it might just be a situation that Richt has been there too long, still an impressive run of averaging around 9 wins a year in the SEC. They have a tradition of choking against the Gators regardless of ranking.

 

[firm_bizzle]

I was sitting watching the Fl-GA game and listing to friends talk about their feelings for coach Richt. Here is a program that has everything. Money, history, facilities, support, exposure, one of the most beautiful campuses in America etc.. and they cant get over the hump to win championships. My UGA friends are talking about possible coaches and the same names are coming up as are coming up for UCF. What do they want...

1. A "young up and coming coach"
2. The next great offense minded coach
3. a great recruiter
4. Brings in a creative new staff

They are also split between the fire Richt camp and the keep Richt camps. They are currently plagued with injuries. They have everything including a coach UCF would probably hire tomorrow. Yet they are likely to be looking for a new coach despite the fact that he has a higher winning percentage than any other coach in UGA history

So I start thinking; That sounds like everything we want. Why would any coach go to UCF when they can go to UGA, or USC or S. Carolina or UM? So I start thinking what does UCF have that other places do not? What are things people are always touting on this board?

1. Location?
2. Facilities?
3. Large student body?
4. Potential?
5. Lower expectations

Since 1984 I have heard the same thing over and over. UCF is a sleeping giant; Located in a hotbed of recruiting; huge school with lots of potential, blah blah blah. My view from my history is that none of that matters. The only thing that matters is conference affiliation. Period. I have heard people spouting the same drivel about location, size etc. for 30 years. So when it comes time to replace a coach I really don't think that any of that matters. I don't think it matters that much for recruiting either. Money and exposure, that is what maters, and that comes from conference affiliation. As long as UCF is in a lower level conference we can expect more of the same. My guess is that our next coach is a crapshoot at best.

I hope I am wrong. I hope our image has changed so that we are able to attract a great coach. I hope we get the "young up and coming coach; next great offensive mind; incredible recruiter". I will support whoever is coaching here. It will take a lot for me to ever start a "fire coach ______" thread. Especially if that coach is winning championships. But I am not expecting to be swept off my feet. I have been a UCF fan for too long to have such expectations.

Georgia's problem is all about discipline. Off the field, in the weight room and in the lunch room. The most undiscipline group of players in college football.

 

[ucfversusbcs]

I am not sure that I do. Historically it has been a lot of talk. Not with just GOL but with every coach here. I just have not seen any real evidence that we have local recruits who would really rather attend UCF. In fact I believe that the location lends itself to players from out of state who are blown away by the Central Florida lifestyle. I think the major factor has been conference affiliation. Have we missed some local recruits sure. But I would guess that many of those were diamonds in the rough. Players that really mature while at college. Much like may Florida fans were wondering how they missed Blake Bortles. I still don't think location means that much in recruiting battles.

Also I don't think location is going to mean as much to a young up and coming coach. They will go where they see the best opportunity. An older coach might be more attractive to a UCF, especially if they have already been an HC in the big leagues.

Do you think it was the wrong move for UCF to move into the FBS then?

We spent all this money upgrading facilities, new stadiums, spending money on a coaching staff, money we apparently were banking on getting back from joining a P5 conference. Yet we had to run a clean ship at the same time..maybe too much of a clean ship that our opportunity to win more big games were lost. When you dont win big games, the media doesnt notice you and when they dont they pigeonhole you as just a G5 team. If we were in the MAC, they would call us a MAC team. When we are perceived that way, it will be difficult to convince people to add us to their P5 conference. Barely a year after the Fiesta Bowl, Mizzou fans weren't interested in our team playing them early. They probably knew Toledo more because of how long they've been around. Temple fans cared less for Blake Bortles. Yet we spent all this money. We have a new stadium yet we had to refinance our payback because our plan to fall back on the Big East fell through.

Was it worth it?

 

[Poolside Knight]

Georgia's problem is all about discipline. Off the field, in the weight room and in the lunch room. The most undiscipline group of players in college football.

I saw a graphic around when the season started that Georgia was the only Program w over _____ NFL draft picks in the last 10 years or so to not win a National Championship. They have been very close with the Stafford and Murray teams but screwed it up. Their fans should be mad, Athens is best college town in the SEC.

 

[ucfversusbcs]

I saw a graphic around when the season started that Georgia was the only Program w over _____ NFL draft picks in the last 10 years or so to not win a National Championship. They have been very close with the Stafford and Murray teams but screwed it up. Their fans should be mad, Athens is best college town in the SEC.

Yeah but two SEC championships and five division titles is nothing to slouch about it either.

 

[SCKnight]

I would bet that a rising SEC coordinator like Collins would much rather coach at UCF over Illinois or Minnesota

You can be down on the job but a lot of people that cover other In State Programs think more highly of the UCF opening than you do & it has everything to do w location.

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I agree it makes good press. The pundits like to talk about it because it is intriguing and the idea of UCF being a better place than Minn has the potential to create debate, but in the end does it make a difference? I am sure has some value, but I don't think it has the value that people place on it. I think the idea that UCF is on the front line of expansion rumors has more influence than location.

 

[SCKnight]

Do you think it was the wrong move for UCF to move into the FBS then?

We spent all this money upgrading facilities, new stadiums, spending money on a coaching staff, money we apparently were banking on getting back from joining a P5 conference. Yet we had to run a clean ship at the same time..maybe too much of a clean ship that our opportunity to win more big games were lost. When you dont win big games, the media doesnt notice you and when they dont they pigeonhole you as just a G5 team. If we were in the MAC, they would call us a MAC team. When we are perceived that way, it will be difficult to convince people to add us to their P5 conference. Barely a year after the Fiesta Bowl, Mizzou fans weren't interested in our team playing them early. They probably knew Toledo more because of how long they've been around. Temple fans cared less for Blake Bortles. Yet we spent all this money. We have a new stadium yet we had to refinance our payback because our plan to fall back on the Big East fell through.

Was it worth it?

It is not a matter of worth. Either you play the game or you don't. The upgrades were necessary even in lower divisions, especially with a school the size of UCF. My statement was that so much emphasis is placed on our location as reason why we should be more successful. I believe that if all things were equal and we were in a P5 conference, our location would be a real factor in landing both recruits and coaches. But in the face of our position, first as a "mid major" and then as G5 program that our location does not factor in so much as you can't get past that initial hurdle. I am skeptical that our new coach will be able to leverage our location to Florida recruits any more than other coaches. There will have to be something else to sell.

 

[firm_bizzle]

Yeah but two SEC championships and five division titles is nothing to slouch about it either.

He's much better than the guy he replaced. I'm not sure what they expect.

 

[ucfversusbcs]

They are also split between the fire Richt camp and the keep Richt camps. They are currently plagued with injuries. They have everything including a coach UCF would probably hire tomorrow. Yet they are likely to be looking for a new coach despite the fact that he has a higher winning percentage than any other coach in UGA history

Honestly if i was a Bulldog fan id want to keep Richt. I remember them winning the national title in 1984.
there's a big difference between winning the national title and improving your teams perception so your program can make more renvenue.

 

[SCKnight]

about UGA it might just be a situation that Richt has been there too long, still an impressive run of averaging around 9 wins a year in the SEC. They have a tradition of choking against the Gators regardless of ranking.

Georgia has had a very good run. It is just that other SEC schools have had better runs. So do you trade a proven winner like Richt for a chance at some new coach? Tough call. UGA has been choking against the Gators since Spurrier was there. 19-6 over the last 25 years? 5 of those belong to Richt.

 

[ucfversusbcs]

Georgia has had a very good run. It is just that other SEC schools have had better runs. So do you trade a proven winner like Richt for a chance at some new coach? Tough call. UGA has been choking against the Gators since Spurrier was there. 19-6 over the last 25 years? 5 of those belong to Richt.

If they do they need to strike while its hot. I think any hint of a losing season would be a good time to do so, especially if the trend is volatile.

 

[SCKnight]

He's much better than the guy he replaced. I'm not sure what they expect.

I think they expect legitimate chances at playoff inclusion most every year. It is the world of college football that pushes the playoff situation that dictates the definition of success. Winning conference championships and divisions, even beating the Gators is second to that goal. Money has twisted college football in this regard.

 

[SCKnight]

If they do they need to strike while its hot. I think any hint of a losing season would be a good time to do so, especially if the trend is volatile.

That's just it. The guy's worst season was 6 wins. Ranked top 25 in 11 of 14 seasons, Ranked top 10 at the end of 8 of 14 seasons. So if you see a losing season ahead you fire him? He has 5 wins already with Georgia Southern on the schedule so should have a winning season. What expectations are reasonable?

 

[ucfversusbcs]

It is not a matter of worth. Either you play the game or you don't. The upgrades were necessary even in lower divisions, especially with a school the size of UCF. My statement was that so much emphasis is placed on our location as reason why we should be more successful. I believe that if all things were equal and we were in a P5 conference, our location would be a real factor in landing both recruits and coaches. But in the face of our position, first as a "mid major" and then as G5 program that our location does not factor in so much as you can't get past that initial hurdle. I am skeptical that our new coach will be able to leverage our location to Florida recruits any more than other coaches. There will have to be something else to sell.

Not really. I say yes the basketball arena needed upgrades, but did we really need a 45k seat stadium when a smaller more fan friendly one would suffice. In wanting to join a P5 conference, tactics have to be done that our program doesnt feel comfortable with to be honest. Why not hire GOL, pay him a certain amount, stay FCS, recruit and keep a clean ship and not worry about being one of the big three. North Dakota State and other programs have done a good job. I think the ambitions of our program are way too high when facts like you state are taken into consideration.

 

[ucfversusbcs]

That's just it. The guy's worst season was 6 wins. Ranked top 25 in 11 of 14 seasons, Ranked top 10 at the end of 8 of 14 seasons. So if you see a losing season ahead you fire him? He has 5 wins already with Georgia Southern on the schedule so should have a winning season. What expectations are reasonable?

I think firing him after losing to us in the Liberty Bowl wouldve been a solid decision. That said they kept him and if i was a Georgia fan i wouldnt be upset either. Just like my view with GOL, Richt shouldnt get another opportunity to right a losing ship. If it happens to him again. He should be gone.

 

[SCKnight]

Not really. I say yes the basketball arena needed upgrades, but did we really need a 45k seat stadium when a smaller more fan friendly one would suffice. In wanting to join a P5 conference, tactics have to be done that our program doesnt feel comfortable with to be honest. Why not hire GOL, pay him a certain amount, stay FCS, recruit and keep a clean ship and not worry about being one of the big three. North Dakota State and other programs have done a good job. I think the ambitions of our program are way too high when facts like you state are taken into consideration.

I guess I fail to see what this has to do with my point which is the value of those things which everyone points to as the great selling points for UCF. I never argued that it was wrong to spend money etc. or to move the FBS and none of my statements would lead to that conclusion. In order to attract conference affiliation you need all those things. But do people overhype the value of our asset? I have not seen where they have made the difference in a recruiting battle in comparison to P5 vs. G5 considerations.

 

[ucfversusbcs]

I guess I fail to see what this has to do with my point which is the value of those things which everyone points to as the great selling points for UCF. I never argued that it was wrong to spend money etc. or to move the FBS and none of my statements would lead to that conclusion. In order to attract conference affiliation you need all those things. But do people overhype the value of our asset? I have not seen where they have made the difference in a recruiting battle in comparison to P5 vs. G5 considerations.

IMO it hasnt been proven yet. When GOL came in here, he did things his way which apparently the administration likes. Thats the reason why i question why even move up? We are not comfortable being a FBS organization in the first place. All of the fertile recruiting ground claims can only be fulfilled if we play the rules the same way. Its like having an advantage but refusing to use it for whatever reason. I'm not saying do things illegally, just suggesting maximize every advantage we have. Until we actually try then we won't really know.

 

[firm_bizzle]

I think they expect legitimate chances at playoff inclusion most every year. It is the world of college football that pushes the playoff situation that dictates the definition of success. Winning conference championships and divisions, even beating the Gators is second to that goal. Money has twisted college football in this regard.

I don't know who they think they will get that will be better than Richt. They must have forgotten about Goff and Donnan. Look what happened at Tennessee. Richt is like Peyton Manning, eventually he'll get his ring and the fans will see him completely different.

 

[Boston.Knight]

They have everything including a coach UCF would probably hire tomorrow.

 

[Poolside Knight]

one of the most beautiful campuses in America etc.. and they cant get over the hump to win championships..

that is one thing that I've always factored in as a big plus(for UCF) but I'm not sure that matters as much to recruits as I thought just basing it off of Programs competing in the same conference. USC-UCLA is an example of that, UCLA's campus and immediate area is much nicer than USC's but traditionally has always been out-recruited by the Trojans. That might be changing a little bit recently with Mora as the HC at UCLA. Tuscaloosa is a dump compared to Athens and we all know the monster that Saban has built that embarrassed Georgia this year.

For the regular student coming out of HS UCF is much more desirable campus than USF but Willie T has recruited more Football talent the last few classes with no bowl games, off campus games in front of 15k fans and a sterile campus. If the coaching staff can't connect with the recruits + develop them, then all the bells and whistles that make UCF a great place to be for all of us don't matter.

 

[mattropolis]

I was sitting watching the Fl-GA game and listing to friends talk about their feelings for coach Richt. Here is a program that has everything. Money, history, facilities, support, exposure, one of the most beautiful campuses in America etc.. and they cant get over the hump to win championships. My UGA friends are talking about possible coaches and the same names are coming up as are coming up for UCF. What do they want...

1. A "young up and coming coach"
2. The next great offense minded coach
3. a great recruiter
4. Brings in a creative new staff

They are also split between the fire Richt camp and the keep Richt camps. They are currently plagued with injuries. They have everything including a coach UCF would probably hire tomorrow. Yet they are likely to be looking for a new coach despite the fact that he has a higher winning percentage than any other coach in UGA history

So I start thinking; That sounds like everything we want. Why would any coach go to UCF when they can go to UGA, or USC or S. Carolina or UM? So I start thinking what does UCF have that other places do not? What are things people are always touting on this board?

1. Location?
2. Facilities?
3. Large student body?
4. Potential?
5. Lower expectations

Since 1984 I have heard the same thing over and over. UCF is a sleeping giant; Located in a hotbed of recruiting; huge school with lots of potential, blah blah blah. My view from my history is that none of that matters. The only thing that matters is conference affiliation. Period. I have heard people spouting the same drivel about location, size etc. for 30 years. So when it comes time to replace a coach I really don't think that any of that matters. I don't think it matters that much for recruiting either. Money and exposure, that is what maters, and that comes from conference affiliation. As long as UCF is in a lower level conference we can expect more of the same. My guess is that our next coach is a crapshoot at best.

I hope I am wrong. I hope our image has changed so that we are able to attract a great coach. I hope we get the "young up and coming coach; next great offensive mind; incredible recruiter". I will support whoever is coaching here. It will take a lot for me to ever start a "fire coach ______" thread. Especially if that coach is winning championships. But I am not expecting to be swept off my feet. I have been a UCF fan for too long to have such expectations.

Finally. Someone that gets it, and understands our current place in the grand scheme of college football. Nice post.

 

[SCKnight]

you don't think he would be a good coach for UCF? Why is that?

 

[SCKnight]

IMO it hasnt been proven yet. When GOL came in here, he did things his way which apparently the administration likes. Thats the reason why i question why even move up? We are not comfortable being a FBS organization in the first place. All of the fertile recruiting ground claims can only be fulfilled if we play the rules the same way. Its like having an advantage but refusing to use it for whatever reason. I'm not saying do things illegally, just suggesting maximize every advantage we have. Until we actually try then we won't really know.

I do not want this to become a pro/anti GOL thread, but I really have serious doubts that GOL and staff did not try to use every advantage that we have including looking at local talent. (Please do not respond with how many out of state recruits we had etc.) I think that in many ways that the location advantage is more a media perception and talking point. In the end the players want to play for a 1) P5 program 2) a program that they have some personal tie with 3) a particular coach 4) in a particular scheme 5) Located depending upon the player either far from home or close to home. A new coach will face this same reality. Hopefully he will be a coach that players want to play for and can overcome some of the G5 stigma.

 

[muckdawg24]

I think Boise State is a perfect example that if you can recruit the right people for your system that you can have success, even way out in BFE. Not saying we are anywhere near what Petersen did for them but GOL set a solid foundation for the next guy to actually capitalize and get us to that point. We haven't been able to pace the growth we've had as a university and as a result we've had personnel with DIV-II mentality and experience trying to grow essentially overnight and it's become a cluster until we get people in here that understand the big picture and the big boy stage.

 

[Poolside Knight]

We haven't been able to pace the growth we've had as a university and as a result we've had personnel with DIV-II mentality and experience trying to grow essentially overnight and it's become a cluster until we get people in here that understand the big picture and the big boy stage.

+1

 

[SCKnight]

I think Boise State is a perfect example that if you can recruit the right people for your system that you can have success, even way out in BFE. Not saying we are anywhere near what Petersen did for them but GOL set a solid foundation for the next guy to actually capitalize and get us to that point. We haven't been able to pace the growth we've had as a university and as a result we've had personnel with DIV-II mentality and experience trying to grow essentially overnight and it's become a cluster until we get people in here that understand the big picture and the big boy stage.

This was true until Steve Orisini got here. He is the one who turned UCF's thinking around.

 

[ucfversusbcs]

I do not want this to become a pro/anti GOL thread, but I really have serious doubts that GOL and staff did not try to use every advantage that we have including looking at local talent. (Please do not respond with how many out of state recruits we had etc.) I think that in many ways that the location advantage is more a media perception and talking point. In the end the players want to play for a 1) P5 program 2) a program that they have some personal tie with 3) a particular coach 4) in a particular scheme 5) Located depending upon the player either far from home or close to home. A new coach will face this same reality. Hopefully he will be a coach that players want to play for and can overcome some of the G5 stigma.

Let me first agree that ive read articles about how coaches will only steer their best players at P5 program. Why? Who knows because plenty of NFL players on the field these days arent coming from P5 schools. As for the others definitely good points, but you ignore the other examples - that GOL only wants a particular player, academic standards or whatever that exists that is legal but frowned upon by UCF. Thats why i say it hasnt been determined yet because of restrictions we place upon ourselves. There's nothing wrong with that, but why spend millions of dollars and bank on a big conference that wants more than facilites to make up for what you spend? Then turn around and give yourself restrictions instead of developing to win at all costs as long as its not illegal?

 

[Poolside Knight]

. As for the others definitely good points, but you ignore the other examples - that GOL only wants a particular player, academic standards or whatever that exists that is legal but frowned upon by UCF. Thats why i say it hasnt been determined yet because of restrictions we place upon ourselves. There's nothing wrong with that, but why spend millions of dollars and bank on a big conference that wants more than facilites to make up for what you spend? Then turn around and give yourself restrictions instead of developing to win at all costs as long as its not illegal?

Great point and overlooked. And the restrictions weren't just on academic eligibility but GOL focused a lot on size + power over Speed during his entire time at UCF. This was even all the way down to the way the strength and conditioning program conducted offseason conditioning. That recent OS article on local recruiting touched on this that GOL would pass on some local kids who had speed but were undersized in favor of size, that is seen right now on this roster with UCF's RB depth chart compared to Cincy's undersized but speedy RBs from Florida

 

[SCKnight]

Let me first agree that ive read articles about how coaches will only steer their best players at P5 program. Why? Who knows because plenty of NFL players on the field these days arent coming from P5 schools. As for the others definitely good points, but you ignore the other examples - that GOL only wants a particular player, academic standards or whatever that exists that is legal but frowned upon by UCF. Thats why i say it hasnt been determined yet because of restrictions we place upon ourselves. There's nothing wrong with that, but why spend millions of dollars and bank on a big conference that wants more than facilites to make up for what you spend? Then turn around and give yourself restrictions instead of developing to win at all costs as long as its not illegal?

I can see this. I have always said that UCF sucks at cheating. Our probation was a result of stupid moves by our AD in which our best recruiter got caught. Was coach Kelly was a star in the making? From my dealings with Keith Tribble I think he was an idiot who was hired for his political connections with the Big East.

Personally I like having "good kids" in the program and an atmosphere that does not tolerate problems. But of course that can limit your ability to recruit. It is hard to have it both ways. Personally I would rather have a med/upper level G5 program than to have a P5 program with the "gold tooth mentality". But maybe that shows that I am an old guy with different priorities.

 

[firm_bizzle]

I can see this. I have always said that UCF sucks at cheating. Our probation was a result of stupid moves by our AD in which our best recruiter got caught. Was coach Kelly was a star in the making? From my dealings with Keith Tribble I think he was an idiot who was hired for his political connections with the Big East.

Personally I like having "good kids" in the program and an atmosphere that does not tolerate problems. But of course that can limit your ability to recruit. It is hard to have it both ways. Personally I would rather have a med/upper level G5 program than to have a P5 program with the "gold tooth mentality". But maybe that shows that I am an old guy with different priorities.

More gold teeth, less gold uniforms.

 

[Poolside Knight]

More gold teeth, less gold uniforms.

UCF under GOL wanted to run a Stanford type Program but without the Global name recognition & QBs with Ivy IQs. And with that attempt we still got hit with Miami Hurricane Light Sanctions, Fail.

 

[ucfversusbcs]

I have not seen where they have made the difference in a recruiting battle in comparison to P5 vs. G5 considerations.

Personally I would rather have a med/upper level G5 program than to have a P5 program with the "gold tooth mentality". But maybe that shows that I am an old guy with different priorities.

UCF under GOL wanted to run a Stanford type Program but without the Global name recognition & QBs with Ivy IQs. And with that attempt we still got hit with Miami Hurricane Light Sanctions, Fail.

Why is it that we cant do what it takes to succeed without doing it illegally - run our program like USC does - as long as we get the invite, then turn around and become the Stanford program afterwards.

 

[ucfversusbcs]

If they do they need to strike while its hot. I think any hint of a losing season would be a good time to do so, especially if the trend is volatile.

Speaking of which....
http://247sports.com/Bolt/Bruce-Feldman-UGA-talking-about-moving-on-from-Richt-40752753

 

[Knight_Light]

that is one thing that I've always factored in as a big plus(for UCF) but I'm not sure that matters as much to recruits as I thought just basing it off of Programs competing in the same conference. USC-UCLA is an example of that, UCLA's campus and immediate area is much nicer than USC's but traditionally has always been out-recruited by the Trojans. That might be changing a little bit recently with Mora as the HC at UCLA. Tuscaloosa is a dump compared to Athens and we all know the monster that Saban has built that embarrassed Georgia this year.

For the regular student coming out of HS UCF is much more desirable campus than USF but Willie T has recruited more Football talent the last few classes with no bowl games, off campus games in front of 15k fans and a sterile campus. If the coaching staff can't connect with the recruits + develop them, then all the bells and whistles that make UCF a great place to be for all of us don't matter.

For much of the past, UCLA would always try to go on the "cheap" in regards to football coaching hires and especially asst coaching hires (cost of living is very, very high).

USC, private school, has helped them in the recruiting game...USC spends a lot more on their football program...from coaching staff to on-campus facility to know having basically ownership of the LA Coliseum, where they will be spending $270 Million on upgrades.

Also, Coliseum is right across the street from campus...where students and alumni tailgating on campus get to walk to...while UCLA students have to bus all the way up to Pasadena to go to home games at the Rose Bowl.

USC has been the one pumping $$$ into their program for decades...which is why USC generally has had greater past success at the college and even NFL level (USC had 38 players on NFL rosters at start of this year while UCLA had 23).

Sure, Westwood is a cool part of LA...but while outside of USC is almost a war zone...their campus is a slice of heaven and you can tell they have had $$$ to spend and will spend on it to keep it beautiful.

And yes, UCLA finally seems to be taking football seriously again...giving Mora more $$$ than past coaching staff's had to work with but USC will always have the riches from their Private Univ to work with and will always have the advantage of basically an on-campus historic stadium while UCLA students have to take long bus rides in LA traffic to get to their stadium on game-day.

 

[firm_bizzle]

UCF under GOL wanted to run a Stanford type Program but without the Global name recognition & QBs with Ivy IQs. And with that attempt we still got hit with Miami Hurricane Light Sanctions, Fail.

That is why I was so pro name change to Florida Tech. If you are going to try to become some Stanford/GT type program at least let's brand the school that way. People weren't buying the combo of the name UCF and high standards.