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ESC needs to be bigger.
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Dr Hitt is very adamant that no beer be served in the general stadium area. In fact the existing club seats are being retrofitted to add a 3ft buffer so that beer will FINALLY be allowed back at their seats.
It is what it is.... UCF is turning down about $3 million a year to keep the stadium dry.
It is what it is.... UCF is turning down about $3 million a year to keep the stadium dry.
WVU, which has a lot more fan support and usually a very packed 60,000 seat stadium, plus, they get to play SEVEN home games per year, has been averaging approx $516,000 in annual beer profits.
No clue where you think UCF could earn $3 Million per year playing 6 games in a much smaller stadium and with much smaller attendance. (Do you think Beer Distributors and Beer Vendors donate all their cost/sales back to UCF?)
Also, if UCF opened up beer sales stadium wide...club seat prices and sales would drop dramatically....and the ESC club would be a ghost town...and no where near $900 per ticket.
NOTE: Now that UCF is allowing West and East Side Club members bring beer back to their seats...I hope that same policy is set for UCF Basketball Club Members...as that would probably HELP Club Seat sales...as since Day 1 of the Arena, Club Members could only drink in their under the seat club.
Rough estimate: $10 beer x 45,000 x 6 games = $2,700,000 in sales. Profits to UCF after beer costs, vendor fees will obviously be less.
Some people will drink 2-3 beers, some will drink
none.
UCF has already admitted that beer sales in the ESC will essentially pay for the facility upgrade within 5-10 years.
If you've been to a Orlando City game you know they make a killing with beer sales. Ironically the fans are much less obnoxious and drunk than UCF games since it removes any urge to binge drink before the games.
The fact OCSC ownership took over the stadium in part due to having 100% control of vendors should tell you they known of the potential profits.
By the way, you forgot your link:
http://espn.go.com/college-football...eer-sales-stadiums-alternative-revenue-stream
And let me be clear, I don't really care either way. There are pros and cons to both sides. Right now UCF would rather push club seats than general beer sales. With about 40% of the ESC unsold you can't blame them.
I'd still love to see a north end zone GKC party deck one day once club seats are sold out.
Some people will drink 2-3 beers, some will drink
none.
UCF has already admitted that beer sales in the ESC will essentially pay for the facility upgrade within 5-10 years.
If you've been to a Orlando City game you know they make a killing with beer sales. Ironically the fans are much less obnoxious and drunk than UCF games since it removes any urge to binge drink before the games.
The fact OCSC ownership took over the stadium in part due to having 100% control of vendors should tell you they known of the potential profits.
By the way, you forgot your link:
http://espn.go.com/college-football...eer-sales-stadiums-alternative-revenue-stream
And let me be clear, I don't really care either way. There are pros and cons to both sides. Right now UCF would rather push club seats than general beer sales. With about 40% of the ESC unsold you can't blame them.
I'd still love to see a north end zone GKC party deck one day once club seats are sold out.
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I think that our games would have more beer sales and at a higher price than WVU.
Curious, what happens now if you sneak in alcohol and drink it in an ESC seat to save money? Probably won't be policed that closely since they sell beer and liquor already. The stadium seems to be so lax with this overall which is good actually.
I actually gave up some really nice and inexpensive seats for this. If it isn't really all that, it's going to be a one and done year for me at $1,810 for 2 tickets. The home schedule isn't really that exciting this year, so I was hoping that the ESC would be kind of cool. I hope that beer prices are at a fairly reasonable G5 college level (Troy, SMU, etc,) instead of like a Magic game. $10 dollar beers would be excessive and a real turnoff. Imagine paying and extra $50-$120 for 2 people per game. I was hoping for more like $6 a beer tops. Guaranteed, if fans can't afford to drink which is the huge selling point, the ESC will fail miserably.
Curious, what happens now if you sneak in alcohol and drink it in an ESC seat to save money? Probably won't be policed that closely since they sell beer and liquor already. The stadium seems to be so lax with this overall which is good actually.
I actually gave up some really nice and inexpensive seats for this. If it isn't really all that, it's going to be a one and done year for me at $1,810 for 2 tickets. The home schedule isn't really that exciting this year, so I was hoping that the ESC would be kind of cool. I hope that beer prices are at a fairly reasonable G5 college level (Troy, SMU, etc,) instead of like a Magic game. $10 dollar beers would be excessive and a real turnoff. Imagine paying and extra $50-$120 for 2 people per game. I was hoping for more like $6 a beer tops. Guaranteed, if fans can't afford to drink which is the huge selling point, the ESC will fail miserably.
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Why?
WVU normally averages over 20,000 plus more fans per game...plus, a huge portion of UCF's game day attendance is under 21 years of age.
Not many fans get crazier/wilder than WVU fans....as UCF fans seem tame to their craziness....and with a lot more WVU fans at game...no clue why you would think UCF fans would buy more beer than what WVU sells.
WVU...where fans slide down hills into flooded port of johns
I was surprised to see a lot of schools that are selling beer in the stadium aren't turning more of a profit. Minnesota actually recorded a deficit in their first year of sales because they over-estimated the amount of alcohol related incidents (which actually went down) and beefed up security and other personnel too much. The good thing is, all these other schools should provide a blueprint for how to transition to a wet stadium in order to maximize any possible profits once someone makes the call.
Either way, if all we could squeeze out is an extra 250,000 per year it would be worth it. Sell a wide selection of premium to well liquor and beer in the Club sections and just have a standard selection of a few domestic drafts for the rest of the stadium. That way the club section provides better booze options along with the other amenities including chairback seats; gold zone parking; VIP entrance into the stadium; flat-screen TVs; enhanced WiFi connectivity; private restrooms and pre & postgame access to the club section. People expect to be able to go to a sporting event and have a beer - I think it would help the overall attendance when all is said and done and bring in some extra cash.
The answer is in your post.
"usually a very packed 60,000 seat stadium"
They ain't there to watch Iowa State.
Seems like you're way overestimating beer sales. A decent number of the stadium is kids/under 21. Probably 25% of adults don't drink at all. A certain % will never pay $10 for a beer. The number is probably in the 500K range max. Dropping $30 for 1 person on 3 beers is going to be a stretch for the average UCF fan that doesn't donate $2,500+.
I'm fine with alcohol being sold in the ESC, but I am against people having easy access to it everywhere in the stadium. I remember some of the drunken fans from UCF football games at the Citrus Bowl doing stupid things and sometimes forcing police to come remove them. I'd rather not see the environment in BHNS degrade; it's been so much better than the Citrus Bowl ever was in so many ways. I realize that troublemakers are in the minority, and not everyone does stupid things after drinking a few beers. But I'm skeptical that making alcohol available everywhere in the stadium is a good idea. Maybe I'm a prude for saying that, but so be it. I prefer to err on the side of caution. I don't blame Dr. Hitt for wanting to keep the sale of alcohol limited only to certain areas.
You are a prude. Completely different stadium. If shenanigans aren't happening on the mall then they won't happen in the stadium. Stop fighting it, they are drinking already.
No name calling required just because someone disagrees with you. Personally, I don't have a strong opinion one way or another. I can say I have never encountered a drunken, obnoxious fan at BHNS while I encountered several when we played at the Citrus Bowl.
After nearly 60 posts on this subject, I can nearly guarantee you that the ESC won't be expanding and we won't be having in stadium alcohol sales other than in the premium seats in 2015 or 2016. 0% chance it's happening.
So.., tailgate heavily, sneak alcohol in or buy a premium seat. None of the above is in the plans for the immediate future.
So.., tailgate heavily, sneak alcohol in or buy a premium seat. None of the above is in the plans for the immediate future.
Because this is BHNS and not the Citrus Bowl, that makes it okay to have sales everywhere in the stadium? Because people are drinking on the mall, that makes it okay to have sales everywhere in the stadium? That's a weak defense, Firm. I'm not proposing banning alcohol all over campus, as you seem to be suggesting; I'm saying that I think alcohol sales should be limited within the stadium. Some people will already come in lit up from drinking outside the stadium, I understand that; no need to encourage more of that by selling alcohol everywhere in the stadium. Limit sales to the ESC.
I'm not offended if you think I'm a prude, Firm, but I'm also glad that Square gets what I'm saying. I'll give you an example from my personal experience. There was this one skinny bearded guy at the Citrus Bowl (I heard someone nickname him "Jesus" because of his slight physical resemblance to many pictures of Jesus Christ) who used to sit a few seats down from me. "Jesus" was always drunk and obnoxious. The police made more than one visit to his seat. He wasn't at every game, but he was at enough that it became ridiculous. Limiting in-stadium alcohol sales to the ESC area will help limit the number of people like him who get out of control.
No it wouldn't. "Jesus" was a result of the stadiums location. Alcohol sales in the stadium would actually limit binge drinking on the mall before the game. How much sense does it make to have a bar just outside the stadium but can't drink inside the stadium? If people can handle their alcohol outside of the stadium at that bar, then they can handle their alcohol inside the stadium. You act like people suddenly lose their ability to manage their alcohol when they go inside the gates to BHNS.
Disagree...as I don't see students stop drinking their $1 can beers (or less) for $10 drafts inside the stadium.
We don't have to speculate. There is a bar on campus just outside of the stadium. If fans can control themselves in that bar, why wouldn't they be able to control themselves in the stadium?
If fans of wvu can handle drinking in the stadium, I'm pretty sure UCF can handle it. If I had to guess I'd say a fraction of the stadium would buy the beer, for numbers sake let's say 15k have at least one beer per game to average things out. That's $150k per game, if we say $10 a beer. With 6 home games, that's $900k annually not including if we get a conference championship game on campus. The ESC cost $2.5 million so 3 years of selling alcohol on campus should pay for the improvement, not including the mandatory donation already required for it.
My previous quote had nothing to do with a campus bar that over 98% of UCF Fans don't go there on game days.
Previous comment was how students (most on a budget) will not race into a game early (or even on-time) to drink a $10 draft if it meant they could stay on the Mall for another 10 mins to drink a $1 can beer (or less by the case).
Statement had nothing to do about "control".
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