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Year three you stop getting a pass for not having the QB situation you need to run the offense the way you want to. This didn't just happen. All the guys on scholarship next year behind center will have been brought in and developed in the scheme by this regime.
 
Yeah. This is another season where there wasn’t a clear QB. It’s never good. I mean, I know Gus thinks Plumlee is they guy for now, but as an avid football fan I can only put the “serviceable” label on him, and Mikey. At least Mikey seemed to have some leadership qualities. Plumlee just seems to kind of be there.
USF had three QBs start and had a disaster of a team. Only 1 game had less than 21 points.
 
Yeah. This is another season where there wasn’t a clear QB. It’s never good. I mean, I know Gus thinks Plumlee is they guy for now, but as an avid football fan I can only put the “serviceable” label on him, and Mikey. At least Mikey seemed to have some leadership qualities. Plumlee just seems to kind of be there.
JRP has been given a full season of chances and has not developed into an effective college QB. Some flashes but not consistent and practically a turnover machine. And Gus has failed the program as a play caller. So next men up (both OC and QB). And along with an OC who calls the plays and develops his type of QB, we need an open competition for QB with equal opportunity for any participant to win the job. Even if it's Korn as OC and he brings McCall with him. We need to put the best offense on the field and that means both OC and QB. It's time....
 
Yeah. This is another season where there wasn’t a clear QB. It’s never good. I mean, I know Gus thinks Plumlee is they guy for now, but as an avid football fan I can only put the “serviceable” label on him, and Mikey. At least Mikey seemed to have some leadership qualities. Plumlee just seems to kind of be there.
Even when Mikey went ‘cold’ the offense just looked and felt more structured. With JRP it looks chaotic and like someone that spends 2 minutes watching film all week
 
JRP has been given a full season of chances and has not developed into an effective college QB. Some flashes but not consistent and practically a turnover machine. And Gus has failed the program as a play caller. So next men up (both OC and QB). And along with an OC who calls the plays and develops his type of QB, we need an open competition for QB with equal opportunity for any participant to win the job. Even if it's Korn as OC and he brings McCall with him. We need to put the best offense on the field and that means both OC and QB. It's time....

Agree that there should always be competition, especially when you simply do not have a bonafide "guy" at QB. I do think that a lot of what JRP has gone through though, and also Keene at times, is poor OL play. How many jailbreaks did the Duke DL have today? USF got to Mikey often and made him run around. He had to make "plays of a lifetime" to make up for the OL. JRP is pretty boom or bust but the OL has been consistently mediocre at best, and put our QBs in dangerous positions at worst.

Even when Mikey went ‘cold’ the offense just looked and felt more structured. With JRP it looks chaotic and like someone that spends 2 minutes watching film all week

I think what you mean is the Offense was more balanced with Mikey. And I agree. But again I have to think part of that chaos we see is due to the OL play forcing the QBs to seemingly always be scrambling.
 
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The problem we had was when the A.D. was hired we had to hire a football coach immediately. I think the hire was good under the circumstances. Time will tell whether he’s a long-term answer but I give my credence to the A.D. under the unusual circumstances. We shall see after next year if he’s the long term answer. The next hire from the AD he will not have a gun to his head as he does not have to make the immediate hire. I have confidence in this AD
 
I may be too observant, but the way he was chewing that gum while we got our asses beat was aggravating the hell out of me.
 
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The problem we had was when the A.D. was hired we had to hire a football coach immediately. I think the hire was good under the circumstances. Time will tell whether he’s a long-term answer but I give my credence to the A.D. under the unusual circumstances. We shall see after next year if he’s the long term answer. The next hire from the AD he will not have a gun to his head as he does not have to make the immediate hire. I have confidence in this AD
Didn’t he give him an extension already?
 
Even when Mikey went ‘cold’ the offense just looked and felt more structured. With JRP it looks chaotic and like someone that spends 2 minutes watching film all week
It looks like me when I play Madden on PlayStation and don’t know the buttons. I also have Micheal Vick and just want to run because the passing confuses me.
 
UCF is a triggerman away from being back. It is that simple. If Gus "rests on his laurels" with JRP, he needs to be fired.

If Gus gets a hotshot transfer quarterback and offensive coordinator to match, UCF is in business.

The JRP experiment needs to be over.

You CANNOT convince me that UCF wouldn't be playing in a NY6 bowl if Bo Nix and Kenny Dillingham had ended up in Orlando.
 
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UCF is a triggerman away from being back. It is that simple. If Gus "rests on his laurels" with JRP, he needs to be fired.

If Gus gets a hotshot transfer quarterback and offensive coordinator to match, UCF is in business.

The JRP experiment needs to be over.

You CANNOT convince me that UCF wouldn't be playing in a NY6 bowl if Bo Nix and Kenny Dillingham had ended up in Orlando.
That take makes me sad we were actually so close to playing in the freaking Cotton Bowl this year. As bad as we all think it is now if we score a few more TDs against Tulane the second time we would be playing in the cotton bowl and have a 10 win season it was within reach.
 
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That take makes me sad we were actually so close to playing in the freaking Cotton Bowl this year. As bad as we all think it is now if we score a few more TDs against Tulane the second time we would be playing in the cotton bowl and have a 10 win season it was within reach.
Caleb Williams against our defense that is on the field too much ? Lmao
 
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JRP has been given a full season of chances and has not developed into an effective college QB. Some flashes but not consistent and practically a turnover machine. And Gus has failed the program as a play caller. So next men up (both OC and QB). And along with an OC who calls the plays and develops his type of QB, we need an open competition for QB with equal opportunity for any participant to win the job. Even if it's Korn as OC and he brings McCall with him. We need to put the best offense on the field and that means both OC and QB. It's time....
And maybe it's time to admit we need a new offense in addition to an offensive line.
 
UCF is a triggerman away from being back. It is that simple. If Gus "rests on his laurels" with JRP, he needs to be fired.

If Gus gets a hotshot transfer quarterback and offensive coordinator to match, UCF is in business.

The JRP experiment needs to be over.

You CANNOT convince me that UCF wouldn't be playing in a NY6 bowl if Bo Nix and Kenny Dillingham had ended up in Orlando.
Penix visited last winter as well
 
Penix visited last winter as well
UCF is a triggerman away from being back. It is that simple. If Gus "rests on his laurels" with JRP, he needs to be fired.

If Gus gets a hotshot transfer quarterback and offensive coordinator to match, UCF is in business.

The JRP experiment needs to be over.

You CANNOT convince me that UCF wouldn't be playing in a NY6 bowl if Bo Nix and Kenny Dillingham had ended up in Orlando.
So are you saying Gus's offense only works with an elite QB? How often do teams other than the Georgias and Alabamas consistently get elite QBs? But, for sake of argument, let's say a lot programs get elite QBs, but UCF doen't get one or have one, if you were the coach/offensive cordinator/play caller and your offense only worked if you got an elite one, what would you do? Please don't tell me you would still run the offense that is dependendent on an elite QB. If you are any good at all as a coach wouldn't you adjust your offense to best utilize the talent you have and give your team the best chance of winning consistently? Isn't that coaching 101?
 
So are you saying Gus's offense only works with an elite QB? How often do teams other than the Georgias and Alabamas consistently get elite QBs? But, for sake of argument, let's say a lot programs get elite QBs, but UCF doen't get one or have one, if you were the coach/offensive cordinator/play caller and your offense only worked if you got an elite one, what would you do? Please don't tell me you would still run the offense that is dependendent on an elite QB. If you are any good at all as a coach wouldn't you adjust your offense to best utilize the talent you have and give your team the best chance of winning consistently? Isn't that coaching 101?
I have said here even before fall camp that my biggest concerns about Gus was QB development/scouting and playcalling . recruiting well everywhere else doesn’t mean as much when you screw up managing the most important position. the QB doesn’t have to be elite every year, just set up to be competent and not look like an Arkansas High School offense
 
... let's say ... UCF doen't get one or have one, if you were the coach/offensive coordinator/play caller and your offense only worked if you got an elite one, what would you do? Please don't tell me you would still run the offense that is dependent on an elite QB. If you are any good at all as a coach wouldn't you adjust your offense to best utilize the talent you have and give your team the best chance of winning consistently? Isn't that coaching 101?
If 9-win seasons (which is the best to hope for without a ELITE quarterback) helps me keep my job, then I run my offense with the guy who best fits my offense.

But..

If I cab get an ELITE quarterback and play caller to match, then I take my hands off the offense altogether.
 
Good coaching: Mike Norvell, FSU
5-0 last 5 games

Terrible coaching: Gus Malzahn, UCF
1-3 last 4 games

Which program is headed in the right direction??
Comparing programs is weak sauce. Every story is different, and at a different place in that story. FSU had been horrible for years, and this is Norvell’s 3rd season. Very storied program, and not surprised they are returning towards being a top-tier team in thier conference after stellar recruiting (and transfer portal pickups). He’s also got a starting QB in his third season (when he’s not hurt). Has a chance to finish 10-3 or 9-4…hasn’t played for hardware yet. 17-16 record. Jordan Travis is in his his 5th season but can come back for one more. Will he? If not, FSU will have to start over at the QB position again. I think he comes back.

In those 5 wins, FSU opponents records were: 29-33. Throw in Oklahoma and that goes to 35-39. Our opponents in last 6 games are: 43-33 (including a 1-11 opponent that skews the loss column)

When FSU is back at least playing for hardware let me know.
 
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If 9-win seasons (which is the best to hope for without a ELITE quarterback) helps me keep my job, then I run my offense with the guy who best fits my offense.

But..

If I cab get an ELITE quarterback and play caller to match, then I take my hands off the offense altogether.
Who are you man? Malhazan’s wife? There are zero top QB’s that will commit to go to UCF and Gus Malhazan. He tried to get a portal guy last year and missed on everyone. Dude has a very bad rep with QB’s.
 
It looks like me when I play Madden on PlayStation and don’t know the buttons. I also have Micheal Vick and just want to run because the passing confuses me.
Just got an a new XBox for Christmas. Haven't played Madden in 15 years. Every KO went out of bounds. every XP missed badly. won the game, forced a few turnovers when necessary. Running game looked good most of the time, passing game, uh, not so good. Reminded me of our season.

Outside of SC State, FAU, and Temple, JRP didn't exactly shine as a passer. Im not passing judgement on the kid, I think of him as a freshman because it has been a while since he played the position. But he really didn't seem to progress as the season went on.

For those who want to hate on Gus, why? Two minutes from now, nobody is going to remember who won this game. For all practical purposes it was a meaningless game. It had no meaning inside the state of FLorida for recruiting. Sun's still going to rise in the east in 3 1/2 hours. Your life most likely isn't impacted. We lost. Oh well, we live in Florida. The high will likely be in the 70's with sunny skies, for the next 3 months. Your going to be okay. The program is going to be okay. Enjoy the sunshine, the rest of the country will be gray and shitty for the next 3 months, outside of SoCal and Arizona.

I would say give the coach one more year as OC. If it looks good next year, great. If not, then he should let somebody else call plays and he should do what he does best; be a head coach. Run the whole thing. Have some input into the offensive game plan, but let the OC do their job. If he steps down as play caller, he should be like a QB who is called over to the sideline and watches a series or two. Just watch the game. Give input to the OC and just step back. As a head coach I think he is doing just fine. As an OC, jury is still out, but right now I'm at 51-49 in favor.

Might take some heat on that call, just want to say, play calls have been there, but OL protection wasn't there. Go back to Navy. twice in the red zone he called a play on 3rd down that should have been 6. Protection wasn't there and QB had to throw early resulting in incomplete passes. If caught the receiver would have walked in. But protection failed. Was it design or execution? (honestly, I think it was design, but Im giving a guy who knows a hell of a lot more than me the benefit of the doubt). Recruiting is up. I would say that next year we will field one of the most talented teams we have ever had. Another year and those guys will be Jr and Soph. That is the year to really look at what we can be. Should have a Jr at QB, burned his redshirt this year. Unless he gets beat out.

I saw somebody said a triggerman away. Sort of. Need an OL that can take over a game. We don't have that right now. Too many 1-3 yard runs. Need to be better up front in run game and pass pro. I will say this about JRP, I was only able to watch the 1st half, but he was getting rushed very early every time he dropped back. Punch, Punch, Punch? Our Oline looked like they were taking it instead of delivering it. Every time the OL does a bench rep this offseason, somebody should be behind the rack and say Punch!!!!!!!!!! Close grip, punch a mofo in the mouth!
 
So are you saying Gus's offense only works with an elite QB? How often do teams other than the Georgias and Alabamas consistently get elite QBs? But, for sake of argument, let's say a lot programs get elite QBs, but UCF doen't get one or have one, if you were the coach/offensive cordinator/play caller and your offense only worked if you got an elite one, what would you do? Please don't tell me you would still run the offense that is dependendent on an elite QB. If you are any good at all as a coach wouldn't you adjust your offense to best utilize the talent you have and give your team the best chance of winning consistently? Isn't that coaching 101?
I think we saw that last year. He didn't have his type of guy and he played a freshman QB, not his preferred type, and we still had a solid season, thank you defense. This year he had somewhat his guy, a great runner. What I think he wants is a good runner and a solid passer. But what he really wants, is an OL that can do something. Maybe have some fight, a little backbone, maybe even a little a pride. In themselves, or in their team. Not very much aggression in the big nasties. So not nasties, maybe patsies. That is what they should go into the offseason calling themselves, the big patsies. Every hang clean, every bench rep, every squat, that is what they should be thinking about. The big patsies. Put Pat Mahomes and Jerry Rice and and Barry Sanders behind this OL, we're still 10-2. Nothing improves until the OL improves. It gives the DL nothing to work against, thus the D doesn't get better.
 
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The gus bus is going to have a very bumpy ride heading into the Big 12. Unfortunately, the only way Gus goes is if his AD buddy goes too. Remember, he hired him and thinks the world of him. Just as Gus thinks JRP is a good QB...HA HA HA!

Malzon does not know how to build a team. This is NOT done by recruiting quality players, then benching them for someone you took from the portal. Now that top recruit is leaving...a lot of good recruiting that player did for the team.

Remember the Peach Bowl? Malzon did not get his Auburn team prepared to play us and lost. If your team as beaten the 2 teams that made it to the championship game, you should certainly be able to motivate and bring home a win from that game; he did not.

UCF play calling sucks, JRP can't throw the ball, 4 starters in the portal, another going to the draft. All of this PLUS both OC & DC have left the program. Certainly all of these departures indicates the program is NOT going where it needs to. Next year, in the Big 12, we will be lucky to get to a bowl game (needing 6 wins). Unless we put teams like SC State, BCC, FAU, etc. on our schedule.

Lets get real now. We are going to the Big 12 (another mistake...remember MAC, CUSA) even though we should have waited for an invitation to the SEC or ACC, better and more regional conferences. With most away games being in or around Texas, curious to know what percent of UCF fan base will travel to those games. My prediction, we will show up...initially, then as we proceed into subsequent years, the traveling fan base will become smaller.

This all sounds pretty bad; and it is. I say...fire Malzon and his AD, bring back Scott Frost. He (Frost) tried to pull the brass ring in Nebraska, something that was a lifelong dream, and was not successful. With that now out of his system, he is who we need to right this ship before it sinks to the bottom!
 
If 9-win seasons (which is the best to hope for without a ELITE quarterback) helps me keep my job, then I run my offense with the guy who best fits my offense.

But..

If I cab get an ELITE quarterback and play caller to match, then I take my hands off the offense altogether.
If I understand you correctly, you would never change your offense to fit your players but would instead stick with an offense that you don't really have the guns to run. Is that about it?
 
I think we saw that last year. He didn't have his type of guy and he played a freshman QB, not his preferred type, and we still had a solid season, thank you defense. This year he had somewhat his guy, a great runner. What I think he wants is a good runner and a solid passer. But what he really wants, is an OL that can do something. Maybe have some fight, a little backbone, maybe even a little a pride. In themselves, or in their team. Not very much aggression in the big nasties. So not nasties, maybe patsies. That is what they should go into the offseason calling themselves, the big patsies. Every hang clean, every bench rep, every squat, that is what they should be thinking about. The big patsies. Put Pat Mahomes and Jerry Rice and and Barry Sanders behind this OL, we're still 10-2. Nothing improves until the OL improves. It gives the DL nothing to work against, thus the D doesn't get better.
I don't believe there are many who would say we have a consistently good offensive line because we don't. Sometimes they are a wall and sometimes they are as poreous as a sieve but JRP doesn't help. He doesn't make quick reads or throws and he is often indecisive. Clearly his strength is running and when he can't run for what ever reason, we don't have an offense. Better play calling might help him when the the O-line isn't playing well. Again, that's coaching isn't it?
 
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If 9-win seasons (which is the best to hope for without a ELITE quarterback) helps me keep my job, then I run my offense with the guy who best fits my offense.

But..

If I cab get an ELITE quarterback and play caller to match, then I take my hands off the offense altogether.
Even if you are winning games with a player who isn't the best fit for your offense? And to the second part of your answer, why would you stop play calling once you get your ELITE QB? I would have thought it would make more coaching sense to quit playcalling when you didn't have one.
 
The gus bus is going to have a very bumpy ride heading into the Big 12. Unfortunately, the only way Gus goes is if his AD buddy goes too. Remember, he hired him and thinks the world of him. Just as Gus thinks JRP is a good QB...HA HA HA!

Malzon does not know how to build a team. This is NOT done by recruiting quality players, then benching them for someone you took from the portal. Now that top recruit is leaving...a lot of good recruiting that player did for the team.

Remember the Peach Bowl? Malzon did not get his Auburn team prepared to play us and lost. If your team as beaten the 2 teams that made it to the championship game, you should certainly be able to motivate and bring home a win from that game; he did not.

UCF play calling sucks, JRP can't throw the ball, 4 starters in the portal, another going to the draft. All of this PLUS both OC & DC have left the program. Certainly all of these departures indicates the program is NOT going where it needs to. Next year, in the Big 12, we will be lucky to get to a bowl game (needing 6 wins). Unless we put teams like SC State, BCC, FAU, etc. on our schedule.

Lets get real now. We are going to the Big 12 (another mistake...remember MAC, CUSA) even though we should have waited for an invitation to the SEC or ACC, better and more regional conferences. With most away games being in or around Texas, curious to know what percent of UCF fan base will travel to those games. My prediction, we will show up...initially, then as we proceed into subsequent years, the traveling fan base will become smaller.

This all sounds pretty bad; and it is. I say...fire Malzon and his AD, bring back Scott Frost. He (Frost) tried to pull the brass ring in Nebraska, something that was a lifelong dream, and was not successful. With that now out of his system, he is who we need to right this ship before it sinks to the bottom!
i was reading your post and while i wasn't agreeing 100% with you, it wasn't bad, but then i get to this doozy. yeah c-usa 2.0 was a mistake for us to join and we should have turned down the big 12 and wait for the SEC.



i hope you're one of those auburn trolls.
 
Even if you are winning games with a player who isn't the best fit for your offense? And to the second part of your answer, why would you stop play calling once you get your ELITE QB? I would have thought it would make more coaching sense to quit playcalling when you didn't have one.
I will clarify...

I meant if you get a hotshot QB and OC who BOTH dont fit your system and you have to turn everything over to the OC and QB like sabahr did with Lane Kiffin and Steve Sarkisian when uat went to the spread.
 
If I understand you correctly, you would never change your offense to fit your players but would instead stick with an offense that you don't really have the guns to run. Is that about it?
If it wins 9-10 games per year, ABSOLUTELY!
 
USF had three QBs start and had a disaster of a team. Only 1 game had less than 21 points.
Their offense was ranked #64; Passing ranked #109. They were horrible at the QB position. I'm certain in probably at least half of their season, they were getting smoked at halftime so those points scored in the second half were in junk time, against backups, etc... Also easier to score when the defense is just sitting back letting you attack them, and trying to run clock.
 
If it wins 9-10 games per year, ABSOLUTELY!
Well, I respectfully disagree with that offensive football philosophy. One more question, would we have won these 9-10 games this year if JRP hadn't gotten hurt? I know you will say yes, but think about it honestlywho really got us to the CC and the bowl game. Even Gus agrees with me.
 
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