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Garcia Zarate (or whatever he is calling himself this year)

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One thing I want to begin with is to point out that the prosecution didn't always do a good job in this case.
Going for the murder charge, instead of just solely focusing on manslaughter which -- in California like Florida, can accompany murder, and it did in this case, like Zimmerman's -- was irresponsible by the prosecution, and put enough doubt and dislike of the prosecution in the mind of the jury, for nothing more than media fanfare, which doesn't pass in a court-of-law.

But now, with that all said ...


I really don't understand things in this country any more. It's like people insert 'alternative logic and reasoning,' when an alleged 'protected class' (of political definition, not actual) is involved.

I'll try to put this all together ...
  • He was already a convicted felon ... 7 counts
  • He has been convicted multiple times for drug manufacturing and distribution
    • not just possession for himself, and multiple times -- i.e., organized crime 101
  • He was still on criminal probation in the state of Texas
  • He had been deported by US ICE no less than 5 times before
Let that sink in ...
  • He has been a danger to the American public before
And then ...
  • He admitted to law officers, and it was completely admissible in court and used against him, that he found a weapon on the ground, and picked up the weapon he found and fired it at a seal
  • The gun was fired 3 times ... yes fired 3 times, "accidentally"
  • One bullet, whether accidentally or irresponsibly fired from the gun -- now in his possession -- was proven to have struck an innocent by-stander ... and killed her ... with forensics
The jury ...
  • Did not find him guilty of manslaughter, absolving him of his irresponsibility for discharging a weapon, however that happened
    • BTW, his "stepping on it" doesn't fly with me as an engineer who understands firearms, let alone his admission on-the-record, admissible in court, at the police station
  • They only found him guilty of 'possession,' even though he -- and they could not prove otherwise -- 'just found' the weapon
    • He may even win a reversal of "possession," on appeal, if the prosecution cannot prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that he possess the weapon prior, and didn't just 'find it' that day (it was stolen from a ranger a week earlier)

Those are the facts and immediate realities in this case.

But here are some additional realities ...
  • The family sued the Sheriff's office because they released a man, who should have been looked up and verified to be a known danger to the public
  • The courts threw out that case, stating the Sheriff's office is protected by laws in sanctuary cities
Now this is what burns me up ...
  • If a convicted, American citizen, felon is on probation or parole, the Sheriff's office *is* liable for releasing him, without checking backgrounds and contacting other authorities
  • There is no "difference of enforcement" between city, county, state and federal when it comes to an American citizen who is a danger to society, however ...
  • There *is* a "difference of enforcement" when it's a non-legal resident alien who has been proven to be a danger to society, they are *not* required to check on status, and can *not* be held liable for not detaining him
  • The courts have been clear on this
The US ICE will attempt to deport him yet again ... but I expect him to be back.

I, for one, would be really interested in knowing why he keeps coming back ...
why he keeps racking up felonies ... and how did he *really* get that gun? Because if you talk to CBP, ICE and other agents ... they'll likely tell you who he *really* is and what he *really* does. But that's not admissible in court, without evidence, of course.

I really don't understand some of my fellow Americans on this.
And the family cannot get justice.

I mean ... it's one thing if you are a Progressive, and want the 9-odd-some-million, non-violent, undocumented residents to be allowed to stay in this country. But what about the other, nearly 2M that are criminals? Why them as well? "Oh, if they take 1 ... they'll take them all!" Really? Do you understand how much that will cost? Can we please just not inhibit law enforcement from getting the criminals?!

Why are we protecting them and giving them the ability to avoid justice more than American citizens and legal residents?
Why does the Sheriff's office not have to check up and report a convicted felon who could be a danger to the American public, and not be held liable for his release if he commits another crime ... but only have to report, and be liable for ... say (and yes, this is purposely polarizing, as it should be ... let it sink in, from a civics standpoint, and how wrong we are, as a society) ... any everyday, African-American citizen, who the police *must* verify is not on probation, parole or otherwise wanted by any federal authority?

If you're law enforcement, you're not allowed to even check up on anyone you suspect to be undocumented residents, and very much discouraged from 'bothering' them, and especially not profiling them?

But you're quite seemingly still encouraged to bother select subset American citizens and legal residents, and try to 'scare them' into fessing up to crimes, being on probation, parole or otherwise detaining them, often by profiling them?

This really burns me up. No other nation is like this but the US.

Furthermore, I completely cannot understand how the US media reports this, from this whole 'protected class' aspect, and how it gets reported around the world. They act like this is a civil rights issue, when it's a 'common sense' issue.

That and a public defender's time was utilized for his right to defense, time that was taken away from American citizens and legal residents who are also charged ... and more often, with more enforcement, because the law is the law, universally required to be enforced, on American citizens and legal residents (people really don't think of it that way ... it helps to bring things into perspective).

No wonder we're really screwed up, and a sizable segment of our fellow Americans are utterly frustrated, while another segment, one of non-legal residence -- and this is just the reality -- take advantage of their ability to operate "undetected" and for whatever purpose fits some "crime syndicates."

I really, really dislike how people equate the "social injustice" of our fellow African-American citizens to individuals like this man, and the type of "operators" they often are in this country. I really don't understand the logic. I really don't. Especially when anyone like myself points this out, and is called "racist."

No, I'm just a freedom loving American citizen who believes in applying civics ... equally, appropriately, and not in ways that are not remotely equivalent.

This "operator" is at best, completely irresponsible and wasn't held accountable and, at worst ... part of our biggest problem we still won't talk about. And it's only made worse when the President points him out as a problem, because that then causes many people to want to rally against the President, instead of talking about the real problem -- like all real problems in this country -- that have nothing to do with the President.

We won't separate the criminal elements that traffick drugs, guns and people from the other, innocent, undocumented residents ... we want to ignore the former exist, trying to say they are all the latter, "oh, they are just seeking opportunity." We don't want to hear from law enforcement, especially not the US CBP, ICE and others.

The criminal elements want us to continue to do this too.
Because it allows them to operate with impunity.

The proof is in the real, deep, scary pudding ...

American citizens and legal residents can be tracked.

Undocumented residents cannot be, especially not in sanctuary cities, especially not when federal authorities with more information won't be contacted, not called to confirm if someone is a danger to society ... only because they are non-citizens, unlike citizens and legal residents.
 
phuck those jurors, that is complete crap. i would love to see some vigilante justice. wouldnt mind if the jurors got caught up in it as well.
 
phuck those jurors, that is complete crap.
Well, in the defense of the jurors, the prosecution was as inept and politically focused as in the Zimmerman trial.

i would love to see some vigilante justice.
I do believe this is where the US is headed, sadly enough. So far, we haven't gone there ... but at some point, you're going to start seeing citizens taking out criminal elements because the politicians will not.

I don't think people realize how much organized crime runs San Francisco and other sanctuary cities, and how much the US media refuses to cover this. My favorite part is the circular-issue ... communities of undocumented residents complain they need laws that protect them so they can come forward about organized crime elements, but then ask for more state and federal funds, and the sheer cost to the American taxpayer becomes unbearable to do so.

In other words ... the only solution is to stop promoting undocumented residents. Otherwise it both promotes more organized crime and costs more to fight. Other countries have already learned this. Most have laws to inhibit such ... from Australia to even Germany (yes, undocumented resident != legal refugee in Germany).

Worse still ...

The US media was reporting "pro-Trump violence" in San Francisco in 2016, even as peaceful Democratic protesters were making themselves "human shields" for Republican attendees, because even they couldn't believe how violence the undocumented residents and their gangs could be.

It's a very sad state of the US when undocumented residents can act with violent impunity, but others will be blamed. Kinda reminds me of the state of Alabama in the '60s, when the US media just blamed African-Americans for the violence ... until it was caught on-camera.

wouldnt mind if the jurors got caught up in it as well.
Jurors are inhibited by the evidence presented and their instructions. I wouldn't want a court justice system where the jurors could bring their own opinions into the courtroom.

I blame both the prosecution and the existing laws. The laws are really screwed up. Even the victim's family are tired of it, the laws, the protections, etc... that undocumented residents have, but American citizens and legal residents do not.

Exclusive: Kate Steinle’s family talks about the anguish and frustration
- http://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/article/Exclusive-Kate-Steinle-s-family-speaks-12396710.php

They are very, very Liberal/Libertarian-minded, and still completely dumbfounded too.
 
Into the mind of a Progressive ...

- http://www.sacbee.com/opinion/editorials/article180109341.html

"Defense attorneys will argue that the shooting was an accident, saying that it went off as he was pulling it out of a T-shirt that he found. The bullet then ricocheted off the pier and hit Steinle about 80 feet away.

Prosecutors will argue that Garcia Zarate recklessly shot at people, the prerequisite for the second-degree murder conviction.

But we do know the gun itself was stolen from the car of a ranger for the U.S. Bureau of Land Management. The ranger, who was never punished and has since been promoted, carelessly left his.40-caliber Sig Sauer in a backpack on the seat of his car parked near Pier 14."

The reason why the ranger wasn't criminally punished was because his car was locked, and someone broke a window to get into his vehicle and steal the gun! However ...

But that doesn't matter ... the Progressives will focus on the gun, how it was taken, and how an undocumented resident could have 'accidentally shot it.'

Again, three (3) times!

No less than three (3) cartridges were ignited, no less than three (3) bullets discharged, through the barrel -- from seven (7) round pistol -- and I have a really difficult time believing "pulling out of a T-shirt" wasn't just -- at best (for him) -- total negligence by reaching into the trigger guard and not stopping after the 1st or 2nd time! -- at worst (for him) -- purposefully shooting (far more likely).

I'm having a really hard time not understanding why he wasn't convicted of manslaughter the gun fired three (3) times!

Worse yet?

While the family's civil lawsuit against the city was dropped by a judge, their lawsuit against the ranger who had his gun stolen has been approved and is moving forward. WTF?!

This is the United States of America, not so much by, of and for Americans, the Progressives have built. It's a slap in the face to all the legal immigrants and great citizens, especially other minorities who are far more wrongly prosecuted, than people like this guy.
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...san-francisco-killing/?utm_term=.0fce9b232d40
Its completely crazy that the pos was let off. Glad the Fed is stepping in on this one.
The jury was not allowed to hear about his prior drug convictions and undocumented status.

It's almost unreal how in California, various priors matter in some cases ... but don't matter in other cases. The prosecution was able to argue, and I cannot believe this is the case, that his drug manufacturer and redistribution -- let alone use -- was unrelated to his killing of this young lady. This is despite the fact that he was photographed acting erratically before the shooting.
 
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