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Girl selling her FSU degree for $50K, can't find work

I can promise you that no service people are crushing what degreed people on this board are making. I've got 2 friends who are sadly still bartending, at really good local places, and they're not making anywhere near what me or other degreed people are making.

For ever 1 bartender making gobs of money, there are hundreds who work at shitty bars with bad tippers that make little to nothing.
I'd disagree with you there. The guy that tuned up my boat engines probably makes more than I and everyone on this board. He went to trade school to learn how to repair diesel engines, he now has dozens of people working for him and you wait weeks to get him to come to your dock.

Never underestimate what a trade can do. We have plenty of engineers and accountants, try to find a good HVAC repair guy when you AC breaks down.
 
And FSU has one of the better theatre programs in the US. So if she has a degree and can't get a job....maybe it's her.

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The phrase is starving artist for a reason. The present job market is shit for most of our labor force compared to non-depression era periods, but it's always supposed to be shit for artsy people.

To the old people complaining about young people though: Your generation is insufferable enough on twitter and facebook, I can't imagine what they would have been like as kids. Just because you couldn't see your idiots doesn't mean there weren't any.
 
I know the girl. Well, used to know her. She was a cocktailer in one of my bars for a little while. (For those questioning the after tax compensation of people in the service industry, she made about $300 with four hours of work with no skills or experience). Her goal has always been comedy. And that is what this is. She's actually making fun of the people who do this type of stuff seriously. And trying to get people to notice her website for booking. Some of the folks on here sure do have an inferiority complex about FSU and UF.
 
I'd disagree with you there. The guy that tuned up my boat engines probably makes more than I and everyone on this board. He went to trade school to learn how to repair diesel engines, he now has dozens of people working for him and you wait weeks to get him to come to your dock.

Never underestimate what a trade can do. We have plenty of engineers and accountants, try to find a good HVAC repair guy when you AC breaks down.

lol what?

My good friend is the dockmaster over at the Westshore Yacht Club. I know there are tons of people in this area qualified to work on diesel engines and they do not make anywhere near what a degreed person in a quality job position would make.

Three weeks ago my air had a major issue. I called 5 companies, all of them had guys to send out that day. It's really not that hard.
 
lol what?

My good friend is the dockmaster over at the Westshore Yacht Club. I know there are tons of people in this area qualified to work on diesel engines and they do not make anywhere near what a degreed person in a quality job position would make.

Three weeks ago my air had a major issue. I called 5 companies, all of them had guys to send out that day. It's really not that hard.

Seriously?

Here is an idea, how about you actually get one of those "tons of people" to come to your dock, fix your boat, you pay the money and deal with the quality of work that they do. When you do that, than you can tell me all about how many people can do that job right.
 
Seriously?

Here is an idea, how about you actually get one of those "tons of people" to come to your dock, fix your boat, you pay the money and deal with the quality of work that they do. When you do that, than you can tell me all about how many people can do that job right.

Sorry man, I'm not a super awesome rich person like you with a super awesome 30 foot boat. Nor do I have a dock, I have a house...with a yard.

In the meantime I guess I'll just have to believe my friend who actually works and lives this every.single.day.
 
Sorry man, I'm not a super awesome rich person like you with a super awesome 30 foot boat. Nor do I have a dock, I have a house...with a yard.

In the meantime I guess I'll just have to believe my friend who actually works and lives this every.single.day.
Once again you bring up money, not me. I speak from experience, you speak second hand. Funny, you say I talk money yet you're the snob trashing people that don't have a degree.
 
The concept of learning additional skills outside of your "degree path" is lost on this generation. Completely lost. Kids think they are worth only what their degrees say on them. Before this generation, people learned vocational skills and certifications in labor or technical fields so they could FIND A JOB while still looking for one in their CAREER. That thought process is completely absent. I have no sympathies.
 
I know the girl. Well, used to know her. She was a cocktailer in one of my bars for a little while. (For those questioning the after tax compensation of people in the service industry, she made about $300 with four hours of work with no skills or experience). Her goal has always been comedy. And that is what this is. She's actually making fun of the people who do this type of stuff seriously. And trying to get people to notice her website for booking. Some of the folks on here sure do have an inferiority complex about FSU and UF.
So her comedic skills are on par with her acting skills?
 
The concept of learning additional skills outside of your "degree path" is lost on this generation. Completely lost. Kids think they are worth only what their degrees say on them. Before this generation, people learned vocational skills and certifications in labor or technical fields so they could FIND A JOB while still looking for one in their CAREER. That thought process is completely absent. I have no sympathies.
Truth.

But in defense of the latest generation, I think too many of us in Gen-X helped teach them that. Certainly our media did, so that's partially on us.
 
Truth.

But in defense of the latest generation, I think too many of us in Gen-X helped teach them that. Certainly our media did, so that's partially on us.

Certainly not me. It was the FIRST thing I said to cousins and other family members in latter years when they went off to school. Told them to get a degree in what they want to do, but also learn other skills and not limit themselves to one facet as being their worth. It was a concept handed down since the Great Depression in my family. Learn everything you can. Certify in anything you can...not just a BS or MS. Get a job FIRST...THEN focus on career.
 
The concept of learning additional skills outside of your "degree path" is lost on this generation. Completely lost. Kids think they are worth only what their degrees say on them. Before this generation, people learned vocational skills and certifications in labor or technical fields so they could FIND A JOB while still looking for one in their CAREER. That thought process is completely absent. I have no sympathies.
Yes and no. Is it true that the Democrats have cut the funding for vocational schools that Reagan implemented? Yes. The government bought into the idea that everyone can and should go to college, but that is what baby boomer, immigrant, and middle class people want to hear/vote for. But it is also cultural/technology based. People don't stay at the same job forever anymore and it is too easy to get an SBA loan to start your own business. People are very selective about who they train, because that guy will probably open his own shop and compete with you in five years. That's why we've seen the growth of all the ridiculous licensure requirements -- to keep competitors out of the marketplace. For all the free love, free country, crap they Baby Boomers spouted and all the small government, free market crap that state Republican law makers run on, they dont hesitate to put up economic barriers in exchange for political campaign contributions.

Next, because of unionization, insurance costs, and sheer efficiency/precision, robots are taking over a lot of the skills you would learn at a vocational school. or the items are being shipped overseas prefabricated Technology has also affected the employment of skill trades like auto mechanics. While we still need people to do auto body and thats a skill best learned early and in a classroom, technology has made it impossible for many routine auto service repairs that used to be taught at the vocational school level. More over the dealers and manufacturers have changed the design of certain parts so that only dealers or manufacturer approved repairs can be done. There just isn't that much to teach in vo-tech anymore.

Also the problem: the supply of undereducated, underemployed workers is greater than the number of jobs available at the price people are willing to pay and employers are willing to afford. There is no need for vo-tech when the Toyota dealership only promotes from within, they conduct their own training, and everybody starts out in the oil bay regardless of background or experience.

We want a knowledge based economy, but we don't want to pay for services that fall outside of that economy. that's rational, but unrealistic.
 
The concept of learning additional skills outside of your "degree path" is lost on this generation. Completely lost. Kids think they are worth only what their degrees say on them. Before this generation, people learned vocational skills and certifications in labor or technical fields so they could FIND A JOB while still looking for one in their CAREER. That thought process is completely absent. I have no sympathies.

I don't think it's lost on THEM, it's lost on the people pushing kids into college at all costs.

There used to be a time when high schools had vocational/trade courses included as normal schooling. BAck then, people had a realistic idea that not everyone was made to go to college, and that we needed people skilled in certain trades.

Now, if you insist that a kid should get out of math and English and go learn how to put together an engine, you'd be called a racist or "anti-education".

This is precisely why we have all of these kids in student debt with degrees that don't mean shit. Instead of learning a trade they were told that it's always better to get a degree and go into debt to obtain it. So we have lots of kids in college who really shouldn't be there.
 
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Still...no sympathies. It's common f'ing sense when trying to become independent from your parents. Learn many skills. Get a job. Then focus on a job in your career. If Gen X is to blame, fine...blame them. Still doesn't change the facts that kids now are one-dimensional as all hell. We are culturing a generation of social dependents.

Addendum: When I lost my first job out of college, within one week, I was cutting line and running the glass for a land surveyor company...it is also where I learned CAD, drafting and other skills. I would put MONEY on the fact that kids, for the most part, do not have that resourcefulness today. 9/10 of them. They'd rather sit on the side of the road and bitch.
 
The problem isn't the parents in most cases. All they hear from the government and the schools is "Stay in School, that's the American dream." It causes people to delay growing up by 4 to 10 years and deprives them of the opportunity to learn skills in college. If you think most kids are on board with the idea of going to school full time, then working full or part time learning a manual skill in college, then you are dreaming or the work level outside of class associated with a degree at UCF is far below the national average.
 
The problem isn't the parents in most cases. All they hear from the government and the schools is "Stay in School, that's the American dream." It causes people to delay growing up by 4 to 10 years and deprives them of the opportunity to learn skills in college. If you think most kids are on board with the idea of going to school full time, then working full or part time learning a manual skill in college, then you are dreaming or the work level outside of class associated with a degree at UCF is far below the national average.

Most of the people I knew in college worked a bar-tending, entry-level part-time job, UPS part-time or some other trade while in school. I don't hear that anymore. Ever. They just borrow, borrow, borrow. So yes, the concept is completely lost on them. So you are right. But hey, they have time to party though!!!
 
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Yes and no. Is it true that the Democrats have cut the funding for vocational schools that Reagan implemented? Yes.
No, no, no ... that's a lie! Why? Because Republicans are anti-education! It must be a lie! ;)

The government bought into the idea that everyone can and should go to college, but that is what baby boomer, immigrant, and middle class people want to hear/vote for.
Indeed. We've even bred an entire generation of teachers where it's politically incorrect to say "college is not for everyone" or "you don't need a college degree" or, worst of all, "you may not find work with only a college degree."

But it is also cultural/technology based. People don't stay at the same job forever anymore and it is too easy to get an SBA loan to start your own business. People are very selective about who they train, because that guy will probably open his own shop and compete with you in five years.
Stop! Stop making sense!!! ;)

That's why we've seen the growth of all the ridiculous licensure requirements -- to keep competitors out of the marketplace. For all the free love, free country, crap they Baby Boomers spouted and all the small government, free market crap that state Republican law makers run on, they dont hesitate to put up economic barriers in exchange for political campaign contributions.
Meet the old boss ... same as the new boss. Left and right, more like than different.

... Also the problem: the supply of undereducated, underemployed workers is greater than the number of jobs available at the price people are willing to pay and employers are willing to afford. There is no need for vo-tech when the Toyota dealership only promotes from within, they conduct their own training, and everybody starts out in the oil bay regardless of background or experience.

We want a knowledge based economy, but we don't want to pay for services that fall outside of that economy. that's rational, but unrealistic.
Damn, this has to be the best post yet.
 
And I've actually hired someone to do diesel work, but hey, you have a friend who works at a WCI Condo community with docks.

Yep, and he worked on a yacht for 14 months. But he knows nothing- you're a rich guy with a 30 foot boat!
 
Yep, and he worked on a yacht for 14 months. But he knows nothing- you're a rich guy with a 30 foot boat!
Rich is all a matter of perspective, I don't consider myself rich by any means, but I can see how you would think so.
 
I'd disagree with you there. The guy that tuned up my boat engines probably makes more than I and everyone on this board. He went to trade school to learn how to repair diesel engines, he now has dozens of people working for him and you wait weeks to get him to come to your dock.

Never underestimate what a trade can do. We have plenty of engineers and accountants, try to find a good HVAC repair guy when you AC breaks down.
You are talking about two different things here:
1. "The guy that tuned up your boat" is a businessman because he has dozens of people working for him. The reason he makes a lot of money is because he owns the business.
2. The "good HVAC repair guy" makes about $15 to $20/hour (I bet the diesel mechanic makes about the same) because the owner of the company (see point 1) keeps the rest. Same way my company multiplies my pay rate by 3.1 in the invoice to the client
 
BTW, maybe I should write a book with the title: "Don't pay tuition and get paid to go to college"
I know some other people here did the same but since I was a research assistant, I only paid $300/semester (fees) and was paid about $2,000/month while to graduate school at UCF
 
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BTW, maybe I should write a book with the title: "Don't pay tuition and get paid to go to college"
I know some other people here did the same but since I was a research assistant, I only paid $300/semester (fees) and was paid about $2,000/month while to graduate school at UCF
In 4 out of 5 times I find myself "dealing" with someone who is "complaining" about their "college debt," it's because they never worked much at all -- not even interned -- before they finished college. You can almost tell the type of person they are too, from what they say.

Now compare that to a single mom (or, increasingly, dad) of 2 who manages to work and still go 9, sometimes even 12, semester hours, on her own dime, plus whatever assistance she can find. I can usually tell those young moms from the complaining young "ladies," because the latter is carrying the latest Android or Apple phone, while the mom is 1-2 generations back, if not with a no-name.

Difference in attitude. Difference in priorities. Kinda like how various people in "Occupy Wall Street" got outed too. It's not that we "disagree" ... it's that we see them as undeserving, especially compared to others.
 
There are a lot of degrees at UCF that I can't understand why anyone would spend 4 years obtaining. These would include Religion Studies, African Studies, Literature, Latin America Studies, Theater, Art History, Photography, etc

I know a girl who recently graduated from UCF in "Middle East Studies."

She's working at Village Inn.
 
You are talking about two different things here:
1. "The guy that tuned up your boat" is a businessman because he has dozens of people working for him. The reason he makes a lot of money is because he owns the business.
2. The "good HVAC repair guy" makes about $15 to $20/hour (I bet the diesel mechanic makes about the same) because the owner of the company (see point 1) keeps the rest. Same way my company multiplies my pay rate by 3.1 in the invoice to the client
How do you know the guy that tuned the engines is not the guy that also owns the company?
 
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Got a bud who's a diesel mechanic @ a big Ford dealership in the region. Able to do side cash car work when he wants. No degree. Low 30s in age. Owns a house (almost paid off at that), low six figures sitting in retirement accounts, two paid for cars. Nice low stress no stupid loan life. Rich? Nah, but has just about anything you'd want, fablet iPhone, goes on vacation, only drinks CCB+beer. Pissing & moaning? Never.

Living below your means is just too edgy for this piss & moan crowd. Lost on them what doing that for a short period of time (relative to their entire life) will do for them.
 
You know all those times I declined to go spend 50 dollars here, 100 dollars there on bar-tabs to have a night out? Well, all those declines added up to a new Jeep...sacrificing for an end-goal is completely lost also. The concept of debt was not taught in my family. Don't spend money you don't have. Simple.
Indeed.

I cannot believe how rabid how some people, especially newer generation but even some of my own Gen-X, who complain about debt end up reacting when you finally point out and even encourage them to consider -- after holding back for months -- how much they are spending on the "little things," especially women, but even a good portion of men in the "keeping up with the Jones' tech age" too. They are also the same ones who make fun of the cars people drive, even the phones people carry, constantly trying to categorize your 'status' based on such.

It's almost like it's an addiction and cycle, both financial and social, that they cannot get themselves out of, and react like someone who complains about their health when you finally suggest and even encourage them to consider -- after holding back for months -- stopping smoking. Especially if they do it excessively, like many spend and then show off their new car or gadgets.
 
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