Good for Huepel

[Central Floridave]

I'm kind of curious on the education side of it. Once a player enters portal does his scholarship get pulled? Kicked out of class? When transferring to another school does his class credits transfer? Do the players even go to class anymore?

Nico is an interesting case study on the new age of NIL and College Football. Sitting out a spring practice and demanding more money is definitely a NFL stunt.

I read one article on this and it mentioned that Nico didn't like Heupel's offensive scheme and wanted to be more a pro offense. Tenn's WR route tree is different than NFL. Another article mentioned that Tenn needs a general manager and they don't have one to manage players and contracts. Also, an article said Heupel's offense is too predictible. So many stuff thrown out there on the reasoning.

I do like that Heupel said no on more NIL money. Someone's got take a stand. I know Tennessee isn't a poor school, but that is one way to become poor by overpaying for worker's service.

But, my question is that today is a school day. Is Nico still in Home Economics Class in Knoxville? Is he working on his degree still?

 

[Gwoz]

He broke the contract. Whether that is a coach or player it is bad. They should put in the contracts, like coaches, buyouts then we will see

Buyouts generally is more damaging for the employer. Coaches buyouts for being terminated early far exceeds what coaches pay if they leave early.

I don't think schools want to start having to setup buyouts for a player is no longer a starter, ect. As far as I am aware, in a lot of these NIL deals once a player is no longer playing the deal is null and void. When you get into buyouts, both sides will have buyout clauses.

 

[Retnuhrace]

Such a strange demand given his “decent” season that he had. He had 12 passing TDs against Chattanooga, Kent State, UTEP, and Vandy. In his other 9 games, he had a total of 7 passing TDs

 

[connerito]

Buyouts generally is more damaging for the employer. Coaches buyouts for being terminated early far exceeds what coaches pay if they leave early.

I don't think schools want to start having to setup buyouts for a player is no longer a starter, ect. As far as I am aware, in a lot of these NIL deals once a player is no longer playing the deal is null and void. When you get into buyouts, both sides will have buyout clauses.

The school is contractually obligated unless the kid leaves The buyout would allow the school for the contract breach to allow the school to enforce a pending contract. If they do not they should have the same responsibility as a coach. There argument as employees should have conditions on them too. The players have ALL the cards now and there is no retribution for them breaching a multi year deal. There should be just like coaches

UCF had a kid who was medically cleared to play but wanted to preserve his year and we paid even though UCF didn’t have to UCF had been good to them The players have ALL the and then some. Changes have to be made

 

[Gwoz]

But, my question is that today is a school day. Is Nico still in Home Economics Class in Knoxville? Is he working on his degree still?

No, this is the reason the portal has the dates that they have. People really dislike the portal windows and want them moved. However, in order for a player to continue his education and enrollment. He must be able to enroll in the school during normal enrollment times.

If they moved the winter portal from December till after bowl/playoff season is over. Then the player would not be able to enroll in the next school until Summer.

Though it is all semantics, everyone still acts like education for the players is important. If UCF won a national championship in basketball or football and found out after the fact that the players didn't attend a single class, no one would care.

 

[connerito]

I'm kind of curious on the education side of it. Once a player enters portal does his scholarship get pulled? Kicked out of class? When transferring to another school does his class credits transfer? Do the players even go to class anymore?

Nico is an interesting case study on the new age of NIL and College Football. Sitting out a spring practice and demanding more money is definitely a NFL stunt.

I read one article on this and it mentioned that Nico didn't like Heupel's offensive scheme and wanted to be more a pro offense. Tenn's WR route tree is different than NFL. Another article mentioned that Tenn needs a general manager and they don't have one to manage players and contracts. Also, an article said Heupel's offense is too predictible. So many stuff thrown out there on the reasoning.

I do like that Heupel said no on more NIL money. Someone's got take a stand. I know Tennessee isn't a poor school, but that is one way to become poor by overpaying for worker's service.

But, my question is that today is a school day. Is Nico still in Home Economics Class in Knoxville? Is he working on his degree still?

I get ur question but Was he ever working on his degree ?

 

[Gwoz]

I get ur question but Was he ever working on his degree ?

School aspect is becoming the definition of waste of time. If I have only 3-4-5 years opportunity to make 6-7 figures, I would spend 100% of time focused on that. Going to class and getting a degree, you can do that at any time.

Dillon Gabriel earned the equivalent of what a successful college educated employee would make over the span of 40 years.

College players should be maxing out NIL deals, and then go back to school for the education part. On top of that you can actually focus on the education.

 

[BlakNGoldAllDay]

I'm kind of curious on the education side of it. Once a player enters portal does his scholarship get pulled? Kicked out of class? When transferring to another school does his class credits transfer? Do the players even go to class anymore?

Nico is an interesting case study on the new age of NIL and College Football. Sitting out a spring practice and demanding more money is definitely a NFL stunt.

I read one article on this and it mentioned that Nico didn't like Heupel's offensive scheme and wanted to be more a pro offense. Tenn's WR route tree is different than NFL. Another article mentioned that Tenn needs a general manager and they don't have one to manage players and contracts. Also, an article said Heupel's offense is too predictible. So many stuff thrown out there on the reasoning.

I do like that Heupel said no on more NIL money. Someone's got take a stand. I know Tennessee isn't a poor school, but that is one way to become poor by overpaying for worker's service.

But, my question is that today is a school day. Is Nico still in Home Economics Class in Knoxville? Is he working on his degree still?

The portal means you are looking to see if there is interest in your services. You still go to classes for that semester. Not all classes transfer. The credits do but some may convert to electives if the same class isn’t offered at new school. It’s best to wait until you graduate so your defeee transfers as opposed to individual classes.

 

[Shark19]

Dillon Gabriel earned the equivalent of what a successful college educated employee would make over the span of 40 years.

Well, not all of us can have a lucrative sock business....

 

[DaShuckster]

I get ur question but Was he ever working on his degree ?

Unless times have changed (and maybe they have), the NCAA requires that a player pass 24 credit hours the previous 2 semesters (plus summer school) to be eligible to play football in the fall.

If Nico doesn't complete his Spring courses, it seems to me that it would be extremely difficult for him to make up those lost credits in summer school.

 

[connerito]

School aspect is becoming the definition of waste of time. If I have only 3-4-5 years opportunity to make 6-7 figures, I would spend 100% of time focused on that. Going to class and getting a degree, you can do that at any time.

Dillon Gabriel earned the equivalent of what a successful college educated employee would make over the span of 40 years.

College players should be maxing out NIL deals, and then go back to school for the education part. On top of that you can actually focus on the education.

Which brings us back to the PURPOSE of college. Its main, by far, purpose is to intellectually educate. If u wanna farm system for sports make a different forum

 

[vroomba]

Which brings us back to the PURPOSE of college. Its main, by far, purpose is to intellectually educate. If u wanna farm system for sports make a different forum

CFB/CBB have been disconnected from the educational part of college for a while, but NIL era has basically made it a formality.

 

[Gwoz]

Which brings us back to the PURPOSE of college. Its main, by far, purpose is to intellectually educate. If u wanna farm system for sports make a different forum

Then I would hope alumni only donates for academic initiatives, otherwise it's kind of sending the wrong message.

 

[connerito]

Then I would hope alumni only donates for academic initiatives, otherwise it's kind of sending the wrong message.

I’ve been blessed by getting my education through UCF and further. I have given money to UCF for decades. I have to tell you I’m a little bit perturbed by this whole scenario.

 

[connerito]

CFB/CBB have been disconnected from the educational part of college for a while, but NIL era has basically made it a formality.

NIL has definitely taken it to a different level. This is a profession it’s not amateur or a part of the educational formalities that this school provides. We have downgraded the value of an education in the athletic department significantly. I had new guys on my team every year, but it wasn’t because of the way it’s handled now. It’s because they did not meet up with the grades. The grades determined, and were a process through the academic system. That is no longer in play. It’s a real shame.

 

[AuburnLegacy_1]

Urban Meyer on Nico

Urban Meyer on Nico Iamaleava departure: 'Tennessee is screwed'

Urban Meyer chimed in on the Nico Iamaleava saga at Tennessee with a simple take on the matter: 'Tennessee is screwed.'

www.on3.com

Urban ain't an idiot.

 

[DaShuckster]

Then I would hope alumni only donates for academic initiatives, otherwise it's kind of sending the wrong message.

That 'wrong message' gets sent every day. True story--I once had an academic fundraiser for a University's College of Business tell me that there were times he'd get angry calls from alumni donors saying they'll never give another dime to the College until the football coach was fired.

Do you think some of UCF's academic fundraisers didn't hear that same line last year?

 

[Cubs79]

That 'wrong message' gets sent every day. True story--I once had an academic fundraiser for a University's College of Business tell me that there were times he'd get angry calls from alumni donors saying they'll never give another dime to the College until the football coach was fired.

Do you think some of UCF's academic fundraisers didn't hear that same line last year?

It's because after people graduate most people's connection to their school is sports. People in their 30s 40s, etc aren't typically keeping up that much with the science or English dept, but they do like watching or going to a football game on a Saturday afternoon. Obviously it's nice to for people to donate to academics, but people are going to donate to what they care about. I think the average person is more interested in their sports teams that provide them with entertainment, than they are with other parts of the school that they won't ever use again and won't really benefit them at all. So if the sports teams suck, then I think some people do kind of wonder why they should keep donating.

And plus, let's be honest, (especially with how expensive College is now) it's kind of annoying to pay tuition for college while you are attending, and then get constant calls and letters for more money long after you're gone.

 

[Knight_Classes_begin_7pm]

I agree, connerito. Nico's stunt wasn't surprising given the state of CFB these days. But whoever advised the kid (dad?) to 'put pressure on the Vols' by skipping a Spring practice session was an idiot. What a great way to alienate your fans!!! It also causes other programs to 'think twice' before making an offer out of the portal.

Mega GREED. Wow!

 

[Knight_Classes_begin_7pm]

And the kid will be coming in during the summer and taking a crash course in a new offense without the benefit of Spring ball to help him get acclimated. He'll also come in with zero chemistry with his new teammates and will have to overcome their perception of him being a selfish, "it's all about me" player.

The chemistry will be an interesting topic wherever he goes. Good point.

 

[Knight_Classes_begin_7pm]

Buyouts generally is more damaging for the employer. Coaches buyouts for being terminated early far exceeds what coaches pay if they leave early.

I don't think schools want to start having to setup buyouts for a player is no longer a starter, ect. As far as I am aware, in a lot of these NIL deals once a player is no longer playing the deal is null and void. When you get into buyouts, both sides will have buyout clauses.

If this NIL and transfer portal keeps going like this, it will be completely like a mini NFL and I don't know how academics will fit into the model.

 

[Knight_Classes_begin_7pm]

That 'wrong message' gets sent every day. True story--I once had an academic fundraiser for a University's College of Business tell me that there were times he'd get angry calls from alumni donors saying they'll never give another dime to the College until the football coach was fired.

Do you think some of UCF's academic fundraisers didn't hear that same line last year?

Exactly. They actually wrote articles on this subject here in town (Orlando)

 

[DaShuckster]

The chemistry will be an interesting topic wherever he goes. Good point.

Sounds like it's gonna be UCLA. We'll see how that works out for the Bruins.

 

[BlakNGoldAllDay]

It's because after people graduate most people's connection to their school is sports. People in their 30s 40s, etc aren't typically keeping up that much with the science or English dept, but they do like watching or going to a football game on a Saturday afternoon. Obviously it's nice to for people to donate to academics, but people are going to donate to what they care about. I think the average person is more interested in their sports teams that provide them with entertainment, than they are with other parts of the school that they won't ever use again and won't really benefit them at all. So if the sports teams suck, then I think some people do kind of wonder why they should keep donating.

And plus, let's be honest, (especially with how expensive College is now) it's kind of annoying to pay tuition for college while you are attending, and then get constant calls and letters for more money long after you're gone.

There’s so much more money available now for kids. When I went 25 years ago my Mom had to pay out of pocket for everything and I worked for my apartment and car. My daughter goes to UCFbthus Summer and she has AICE scholarship, FAFSA, UCF Scholarships and Pell Grant. Most of her schooling is paid for. Maybe the money that that rich guys ex wife gave was part of this. Not sure but academic donations don’t seem to be hurting either.

 

[Cubs79]

There’s so much more money available now for kids. When I went 25 years ago my Mom had to pay out of pocket for everything and I worked for my apartment and car. My daughter goes to UCFbthus Summer and she has AICE scholarship, FAFSA, UCF Scholarships and Pell Grant. Most of her schooling is paid for. Maybe the money that that rich guys ex wife gave was part of this. Not sure but academic donations don’t seem to be hurting either.

I certainly don't have any problem with people donating ( some of what you mentioned are govt not school based though), but that still doesn't mean that sports arent alumnus primary connection to their school after they graduate. Many people, certainly people who are more middle class, will donate to NIL before anything else because of that, so kind of makes sense they will get pissed off more at sports when things aren't going great.

 

[DaShuckster]

kind of makes sense they will get pissed off more at sports when things aren't going great.

On the other hand, university officials will tell you that a winning football team raises all boats on campus. I bet 2017/18 was a record year for academic as well as athletic fundraising at UCF.

 

[goodknightfl]

Which brings us back to the PURPOSE of college. Its main, by far, purpose is to intellectually educate. If u wanna farm system for sports make a different forum

You are so like last week.

 

[AuburnLegacy_1]

Report: Tennessee offered Josh Hoover more than $1 million raise​

MSN

"Hoover has not entered the portal, and if the reports are accurate, he won’t be."

Tennessee Reportedly Tried To Land TCU QB, Josh Hoover

The Tennessee Volunteers are still actively in the market for a starting quarterback entering the 2025 college football season. Reports surfaced over the weeken

www.si.com

 

[CFFan1971]

Spoiler: Tennessee will still have a program for a very long time. Longer that this kids college and pro career. Longer than his entire life. You know who's not gonna pull this kind of stunt again? Anyone on the Tennessee roster. And maybe any team's roster. Had Heupel caved, we would have already seen a dozen more players hold out this Spring.

 

[hemightbejeremy]

Spoiler: Tennessee will still have a program for a very long time. Longer that this kids college and pro career. Longer than his entire life. You know who's not gonna pull this kind of stunt again? Anyone on the Tennessee roster. And maybe any team's roster. Had Heupel caved, we would have already seen a dozen more players hold out this Spring.

Let’s be honest. If he was producing at an elite level the conversation may have gone completely differently. Also letting stars walk on principle is nice at first. Until the losing sets in.

 

[AuburnLegacy_1]

.Had Heupel caved, we would have already seen a dozen more players hold out this Spring.

Had Heupel caved and paid the man before it ever hit the media, Tennessee would be one of the favorites in the SEC East and Nico would be a Heisman candidate.

 

[hemightbejeremy]

Had Heupel caved and paid the man before it ever hit the media, Tennessee would be one of the favorites in the SEC East and Nico would be a Heisman candidate.

Tennessee had one of the best defenses and running games carrying his mediocre play into the playoffs. But you you want to crown him, crown him. As you can see nobody is lining up to pay him what he thought he was worth.

 

[connerito]

App State QB to Tennessee. Better off

 

[CFFan1971]

Had Heupel caved and paid the man before it ever hit the media, Tennessee would be one of the favorites in the SEC East and Nico would be a Heisman candidate.

Let’s be honest. If he was producing at an elite level the conversation may have gone completely differently. Also letting stars walk on principle is nice at first. Until the losing sets in.

Two sides of the same short-sighted coin. In five years, no one is talking about this kid or what schools he went to. The programs are ALWAYS bigger than the player. That just pisses some people off.

 

[AuburnLegacy_1]

Two sides of the same short-sighted coin. In five years, no one is talking about this kid or what schools he went to. The programs are ALWAYS bigger than the player. That just pisses some people off.

May be a new fat coach at Tennessee by then because of this decision.

 

[Central Floridave]

Wife Swap:

QB Joey Aguilar leaving UCLA to sign with Tennessee in swap after drama, NIL holdout from Nico Iamaleava​

Joey Aguilar, who transferred to UCLA just a few months ago, is now headed to Tennessee to replace Nico Iamaleava

QB Joey Aguilar leaving UCLA to sign with Tennessee in swap after drama, NIL holdout from Nico Iamaleava

UCLA and Tennessee have pulled off a rare quarterback trade in college football.

sports.yahoo.com

 

[CFFan1971]

May be a new fat coach at Tennessee by then because of this decision.

And yet, Tennessee will still be there.

This kid isn't Tom Brady.

 

[AuburnLegacy_1]

And yet, Tennessee will still be there.

This kid isn't Tom Brady.

True, but nobody is saying Tennessee will shut down. This reflects on Heupel and makes the Vol program look bad --er worse.

 

[goodknightfl]

Spoiler: Tennessee will still have a program for a very long time. Longer that this kids college and pro career. Longer than his entire life. You know who's not gonna pull this kind of stunt again? Anyone on the Tennessee roster. And maybe any team's roster. Had Heupel caved, we would have already seen a dozen more players hold out this Spring.

Heupel, isn't a hero here. If the kid bombed out and was not the QB they thought, do you really think Tenn renewals his 500k or what ever it is NIL deal. Short answer is no, in fact it would have been recommended he find a new place to play.
The only responsibility a player has today is perform as best he can, and make the best possible deal for his current self and future. Will they sometimes (probably often) make bad decisions yes. Guess what that happens at all ages and all stages of life.

 

[Poolside Knight]

True, but nobody is saying Tennessee will shut down. This reflects on Heupel and makes the Vol program look bad --er worse.

Nico probably never commits to them out of HS w pre NIL rules. Heupel’s career has benefited from nil without it I didn’t think it would go as well at Tennessee. But to his credit he has improved and adjusted some as HC.