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Maybe the limitation on offense was at QB and OL. He did well with Milton. DG kept us in games but couldn’t put us over the top. Now he has Hooker as Heisman front runner and an OL that allowed practically no QB pressures vs a DL featuring a couple future first rounders.
I’m looking back now and looking at TN now…it looks more like 2018 which was great. 2019-2021 was the direct reason our Defense suffered. That offense was unimaginative trash. Was it DG? I doubt it but I’m sure his skill set may have contributed to Heupel calling those plays. I think Heupel has a guy Hendon Hooker is is awesome and great skill position guys. He definitely learned and adapted, something he couldn’t do here it seemed.
 
I don’t know if any of you actually watched the AL game, or watched UT all season (or last season) for that matter. The Huepel offense we know doesn’t exist. He actually runs a similar offense to our 2018 team where he seemed to have a Scott Frost feel. There isn’t the run up middle, curl out, deep sideline throw, run up the middle (x3) that he ran with us at breakneck speed. They barely run up tempo at all, they have a ton of different passing routes, they use TE’s, they use various run options. They also have a way better qb, wr and OL than we had. Did I mention their defense is just as bad though? Blame Randy Shanon right? No blame his offense.
Heupel runs the fasts paced offense in the country. Barely run up tempo. Lol
 
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I’m looking back now and looking at TN now…it looks more like 2018 which was great. 2019-2021 was the direct reason our Defense suffered. That offense was unimaginative trash. Was it DG? I doubt it but I’m sure his skill set may have contributed to Heupel calling those plays. I think Heupel has a guy Hendon Hooker is is awesome and great skill position guys. He definitely learned and adapted, something he couldn’t do here it seemed.
No Huepal added a few things to offense and slowed it down also added more throws in middle of field. More passes to RB. He also has more control over defense and gave more control to coaches running offense line. With Tennessee he is more of a coach. With UCF he tried to please the fans by running fast pace offense. In Tennessee he is more his own man. Don't have to worry about recruiting because Tennessee bag man control that it's a better place for him then here.
 
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I said from day one SF would not do well in B10. I didn't feel that way about Huepel. He already was O coordinator at an SEC school and did will.
 
"Never really understood why some fans dunked on Heupel"

You obviously didn't attend the horrible boca bowl against byu and it shows. :p
Opinion:

Huepel lost the locker room. Alot of players became upset during the pandemic, George Floyd murder, losing 3 games by a hair, and the downstream effect of losing MM and it's implications.

Combined with Huepel being not that personal of a guy led to the loss of the locker room

Alot of players Turnier, Mitchell, Charlton, Flash, DG, K Robinson, Mack etc. didn't respect the rule of authority and the program.
 
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Opinion:

Huepel lost the locker room. Alot of players became upset during the pandemic, George Floyd murder, losing 3 games by a hair, and the downstream effect of losing MM and it's implications.

Combined with Huepel being not that personal of a guy led to the loss of the locker room

Alot of players Turnier, Mitchell, Charlton, Flash, DG, K Robinson, Mack etc. didn't respect the rule of authority and the program.
A couple of those got in trouble. A couple more left on Gus and Mack was never going to be full time starter.
 
I'm not sure he ran a fast paced offense just to please the fans. It might have been because that's what gave us an advantage over the competition. Difference between leagues I would imagine.
Lets face it, during those years the pace worked well because our athletes were far superior to any defense in the aac. In the sec you cant always do that so it seems he has modified it
 
Opinion:

Huepel lost the locker room. Alot of players became upset during the pandemic, George Floyd murder, losing 3 games by a hair, and the downstream effect of losing MM and it's implications.

Combined with Huepel being not that personal of a guy led to the loss of the locker room

Alot of players Turnier, Mitchell, Charlton, Flash, DG, K Robinson, Mack etc. didn't respect the rule of authority and the program.
And half of them boiled down to Randy Shannon. The team always reflects it’s leadership.
 
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maybe time to stop calling it a gimmick
I don’t know why people ever called his offense a gimmick. Every place he has been an OC or head coach, the offense is dominant (and that’s with 4-5 different QBs since being at Mizzou). You can say what you want about him but you can’t rag on actual results, and the fact is his offenses are top notch statistically.
 
I don’t know why people ever called his offense a gimmick. Every place he has been an OC or head coach, the offense is dominant (and that’s with 4-5 different QBs since being at Mizzou). You can say what you want about him but you can’t rag on actual results, and the fact is his offenses are top notch statistically.
And where have the defenses ranked statistically? His offense is a direct detriment to his defense.
 
I don’t know why people ever called his offense a gimmick. Every place he has been an OC or head coach, the offense is dominant (and that’s with 4-5 different QBs since being at Mizzou). You can say what you want about him but you can’t rag on actual results, and the fact is his offenses are top notch statistically.
Depends what you call a gimmick. They actual formations and plays aren’t a gimmick, but the strategy to never allow the defense to sub certainly leads to more opportunities to catch a defense out of position or unready for a play due to the pace at which the offense goes. I wouldn’t call it a gimmick, but it is not a common strategy across college football. So it often catches defenses off guard early. It’s why his offenses tend to start off on fire and come back to earth as the game settles in.
 
I don’t know why people ever called his offense a gimmick. Every place he has been an OC or head coach, the offense is dominant (and that’s with 4-5 different QBs since being at Mizzou). You can say what you want about him but you can’t rag on actual results, and the fact is his offenses are top notch statistically.
Though I sometimes hate to admit it, I can't argue with that.
 
Interesting thing is that at the beginning of last year, Heupel tabbed another transfer as his starter, Joe Milton. Turned out, he couldn’t throw the deep ball, and it’s been Hendon Hooker ever since
 
When your QB is 6’4” 240 and can throw and run, you don’t need to go fast every down. 5’11” 180 you try to get an advantage any way you can.
I tend to think he tried to match the skill set of the players we had. That skill set really didn't match what he wanted to do. I never thought he was a bad coach, but not a great recruiter. I think we today are closer to what he would have wanted player wise. Frost to Nebraska was a horrid fit, I never thought it would work, and it didn't. Heupel to Tenn made sense.
 
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I don't know why but Heupel wasn't very successful here at UCF. His three seasons the team under him got worse- from 12 wins to 6 in year three. I was willing to give him another year but was happy that he left. I felt it was time for UCF to move on. He didn't see to recruit Florida well, had a pretty bad defense, and it seemed to be getting worse. I don't have any bad feeling and was hoping he would beat Alabama. IT worked out well for all and glad we have Gus and his Florida recruiting!
 
I don't know why but Heupel wasn't very successful here at UCF. His three seasons the team under him got worse- from 12 wins to 6 in year three. I was willing to give him another year but was happy that he left. I felt it was time for UCF to move on. He didn't see to recruit Florida well, had a pretty bad defense, and it seemed to be getting worse. I don't have any bad feeling and was hoping he would beat Alabama. IT worked out well for all and glad we have Gus and his Florida recruiting!
Agree 100%
 
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I don't know why but Heupel wasn't very successful here at UCF. His three seasons the team under him got worse- from 12 wins to 6 in year three. I was willing to give him another year but was happy that he left. I felt it was time for UCF to move on. He didn't see to recruit Florida well, had a pretty bad defense, and it seemed to be getting worse. I don't have any bad feeling and was hoping he would beat Alabama. IT worked out well for all and glad we have Gus and his Florida recruiting!
Because he was a first time coach. HE followed last coaches schemes Scott Frost Because the personnel was there for it. Also defense was led by another Coach which split team up. Hype was never truly allowed to Coach the way he wanted. He had no say in defense and followed last regime offense Now he us running the offense the way he wants. He is actually incorporated some plays from his Oklahoma days as a Sooner. And has added a few Scott Frost wrinkles. With plays from Mike leach his ex Off Coordinator at Oklahoma. It's a good scheme Plus he now has say in Defense Also recruiting just got easier with bagmen by your side. Hemay well win a championship there. Good luck to him. He needed to leave UCF in order to grow.
 
And where have the defenses ranked statistically? His offense is a direct detriment to his defense.
LOL…ok. I guess from the outside you can project that from your own experience at UCF. The issue with our defense is that we have been terrible since 30+% of the team left when Pruitt was canned - and a lot of defensive players. Our secondary is bad - no other way to put it - and are not going to win any games. We recruited decently on the line this past year but have no difference makers after losing all our best talent in the backend. The incoming class will address the DB situation and expect it will be 2 more years before that really pays off.
You guys can be bitter but Heupel is already ahead of the game by 2 years and the trend keeps going up. There will be hiccups along the way but it’s only year 2. Our recruiting machine is just now getting started and this season is exactly what we needed to bring attention back to the program. Any blue chip defensive players are starting to see that UT is a good destination to come in right away and contribute on a contending team. And in the end this is still a game that if you outscore the other team you win. Until we get better recruits on defense that is exactly what this team will need to continue to do - so far so good.

I wish you guys well but you will have to forgive a UT fan to think we came out much better than you could have thought. Our coaching staff will continue to recruit and with defensive coaches like Rodney Garner on the staff it is just a matter of time - if not already! - until we are at the top of college football once again.
 
LOL…ok. I guess from the outside you can project that from your own experience at UCF. The issue with our defense is that we have been terrible since 30+% of the team left when Pruitt was canned - and a lot of defensive players. Our secondary is bad - no other way to put it - and are not going to win any games. We recruited decently on the line this past year but have no difference makers after losing all our best talent in the backend. The incoming class will address the DB situation and expect it will be 2 more years before that really pays off.
You guys can be bitter but Heupel is already ahead of the game by 2 years and the trend keeps going up. There will be hiccups along the way but it’s only year 2. Our recruiting machine is just now getting started and this season is exactly what we needed to bring attention back to the program. Any blue chip defensive players are starting to see that UT is a good destination to come in right away and contribute on a contending team. And in the end this is still a game that if you outscore the other team you win. Until we get better recruits on defense that is exactly what this team will need to continue to do - so far so good.

I wish you guys well but you will have to forgive a UT fan to think we came out much better than you could have thought. Our coaching staff will continue to recruit and with defensive coaches like Rodney Garner on the staff it is just a matter of time - if not already! - until we are at the top of college football once again.
Very happy UT is having success, I’m not mad at all, they are doing well. I’ve watched several games of theirs, even going to the UF game in Knoxville and enjoyed it. But I was talking from Heupel’s experience, not just UCF. He was run out of OU and went to Utah St, their defense went way down when their offense went up. He went to Missouri, same thing. UCF, yup, our defense had to stay on the field 3 quarters of the game b/c we’d either score in a min or give it back within a couple mins. We didn’t have the depth for the style of play he called, and he was too stubborn to adjust.

I’ve stated and multiple ppl here have stated that he calls a completely different game at TN, similar to our 2018 season where he seamed to call plays close to what Scott Frost called plays. Tempo not nearly as fast, more than 4 play calls.

And no doubt he will be able to recruit there. He has all the resources and NIL money in the world, he doesn’t have to do much. But take that away and rely on his garbage personality, he isn’t recruiting anybody of worth.
 
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Very happy UT is having success, I’m not mad at all, they are doing well. I’ve watched several games of theirs, even going to the UF game in Knoxville and enjoyed it. But I was talking from Heupel’s experience, not just UCF. He was run out of OU and went to Utah St, their defense went way down when their offense went up. He went to Missouri, same thing. UCF, yup, our defense had to stay on the field 3 quarters of the game b/c we’d either score in a min or give it back within a couple mins. We didn’t have the depth for the style of play he called, and he was too stubborn to adjust.

I’ve stated and multiple ppl here have stated that he calls a completely different game at TN, similar to our 2018 season where he seamed to call plays close to what Scott Frost called plays. Tempo not nearly as fast, more than 4 play calls.

And no doubt he will be able to recruit there. He has all the resources and NIL money in the world, he doesn’t have to do much. But take that away and rely on his garbage personality, he isn’t recruiting anybody of worth.
Garbage personality? The players, fans and recruits love him and his personality.
 
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Garbage personality? The players, fans and recruits love him and his personality.
Fans here felt going undefeated in 2017 should have led to riches on the recruiting trail. Also people hated the “trajectory” of going from undefeated to 12-1 then 10-3 and 6-4 in the Covid shortened year. It’s tough to meet fan expectations when they are expectations of maintaining a nationally ranked conference championship winning team every year with 50-70 rated recruiting classes.
 
Fans here felt going undefeated in 2017 should have led to riches on the recruiting trail. Also people hated the “trajectory” of going from undefeated to 12-1 then 10-3 and 6-4 in the Covid shortened year. It’s tough to meet fan expectations when they are expectations of maintaining a nationally ranked conference championship winning team every year with 50-70 rated recruiting classes.
On one hand its impossible to keep up that level of production we had, but on the other you would think with a strong offense and QB friendly system we would have had better options than Keene and Navarro coming out of high school, for example. Keene definitely got boned by the situation though. Also a reminder to the fanbase how quickly you can fall back into the pack with everyone else. I think the fanbase will get another rude awakening the next few years with the B12 transition as well...
 
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On one hand its impossible to keep up that level of production we had, but on the other you would think with a strong offense and QB friendly system we would have had better options than Keene and Navarro coming out of high school, for example. Keene definitely got boned by the situation though. Also a reminder to the fanbase how quickly you can fall back into the pack with everyone else. I think the fanbase will get another rude awakening the next few years with the B12 transition as well...
Very true, expectations too high.

But it seems like we beat our self alot.

All ECU did was throw 7 yard passes immediately after the snap and we never moved our backs closer to the line.

I know ECU's receivers are all 6'3", but it didn't feel like we got the TWill halftime adjustment
 
Very true, expectations too high.

But it seems like we beat our self alot.

All ECU did was throw 7 yard passes immediately after the snap and we never moved our backs closer to the line.

I know ECU's receivers are all 6'3", but it didn't feel like we got the TWill halftime adjustment
I agree and unless you are an elite team, you also don't win many games with that many turnovers. ECU clearly wanted this one more than we did.
 
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On one hand its impossible to keep up that level of production we had, but on the other you would think with a strong offense and QB friendly system we would have had better options than Keene and Navarro coming out of high school, for example. Keene definitely got boned by the situation though. Also a reminder to the fanbase how quickly you can fall back into the pack with everyone else. I think the fanbase will get another rude awakening the next few years with the B12 transition as well...
Heupel needs a QB who can make a presnap read and make an accurate throw to a one on one situation or a receiver schemed open. Also one who can limit turning the ball over. He has shown he is capable of coaching up QBs (like 5 straight) to have pretty successful offensive performances. He took DJ Mack in an impromptu appearance and rolled up 56 points in a CCG. Even if his option at QB was Keene, I don’t think his offense is getting limited to 14-24 points over and over and over again.
 
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Very happy UT is having success, I’m not mad at all, they are doing well. I’ve watched several games of theirs, even going to the UF game in Knoxville and enjoyed it. But I was talking from Heupel’s experience, not just UCF. He was run out of OU and went to Utah St, their defense went way down when their offense went up. He went to Missouri, same thing. UCF, yup, our defense had to stay on the field 3 quarters of the game b/c we’d either score in a min or give it back within a couple mins. We didn’t have the depth for the style of play he called, and he was too stubborn to adjust.

I’ve stated and multiple ppl here have stated that he calls a completely different game at TN, similar to our 2018 season where he seamed to call plays close to what Scott Frost called plays. Tempo not nearly as fast, more than 4 play calls.

And no doubt he will be able to recruit there. He has all the resources and NIL money in the world, he doesn’t have to do much. But take that away and rely on his garbage personality, he isn’t recruiting anybody of worth.
I appreciate that even though I disagree about his personality. He’s been nothing but gracious and open so far and possibly another chapter in his growth.
I think there are a couple things at play with regards to Heupel and Oklahoma. He was fired after a terrible bowl game, but a lot of the reasons he was blamed was due to Bob Stoops not wanting to fire his brother after a sub-par season and not being able to stop Baylor along with close losses to TCU, Kansas State, and Bedlam. That bowl game was an atrocity where they had 5 turnovers and the defense couldn’t stop Clemson anywhere on the field - plenty of blame to be pointed to both sides of the ball but their defensive failures with the talent that team had were non-sensical. As far as Missouri goes, they never really had much of a defensive presence at all - ever. The offense is what drove the ship for that team and they had relatively good success that they would love to have again when Heupel was there.
I think he took his lumps at UCF as a first time coach and has learned what to do and what not to do better and continue to learn as he goes. I think the biggest difference now is the recruiting capabilities an SEC team has over most conferences. And not only that but long-time structures that have been in place lying dormant for the right staff to come along and provide hope for better days after UTs many failures on the administrative, athletic directors, and coaching hires that were made since 2010. If Kiffin had the maturity to stick around and wouldn’t have bolted to USCw to take his “dream job” UT most likely never would have fallen into the pit they found themselves in. Timing is everything it seems and it started with hiring a competent AD - thank you again UCF.
Looking back at it now I am glad we did luck into possibly the best hire UT Football has made in 40 years. Only time will tell.
 
I don't like Heupel but he would've scored more than 13 pts last night.

But ECU played great. I had nightmares last night of all those black jerseys.
 
I wonder how much time Gus spends on the razzle dazzle stuff? That’s my only beef. But the kids probably enjoy it 🤷‍♂️
 
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