how many more consecutive losses will you accept from GOL
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At a maximum, 10 more from now. That would mean 0-4 into 2016, absolute maximum. We'd have to have some really close games to change my mind. If we're still getting blown out by the 3rd or even 2nd game next year, then maybe then (only 8 more).
In other words, getting blown out like we are now, is one thing. But if the same thing is happening to start next year, it's completely different. This year GoL is "on notice." Next year, there are no more allowances.
UCFBS - You HAVE to be kidding....You would be fine with 17 Losses in a row!?!?!?! And most of the teams will be around or below .500.....clown.
^wow @UCFBS the bar is that low? Imagine if UCF wins 2 of the remaining games, get this man a raise UCF finished 2-10!
He's gone when the new AD gets hired.
Hopefully O'Leary is done at the end of the season.
He'll likely be the only coach in history to begin and end his coaching career (with a team) on a 13-game losing streak.
He'll likely be the only coach in history to begin and end his coaching career (with a team) on a 13-game losing streak.
Yes. He's earned the right to have a down year, even if dreadful. It's difficult, but he has earned the right.
I think most of you guys forget how hard I was on GoL after FIU, even questioning if he was becoming senile. But because most of you whiners came out, I've had to be that "other voice of reason."
It's called being objective. GoL has earned the right to have a down year, even a dreaful one. Just how it has to be.
He hasn't earned the right for an 0-12 season. GTFO
He gets paid 2 million per year to win games and somehow he managed to lose FIU, Furman and UConn consecutively at home.
He would have been fired anywhere else that takes football seriously.
So say for example GOL happens to get 2 wins in a row then starts losing again. Would the 12 game losing streak start from that mark? Lets say if we win our last two games in 2015. You would give him another 12 game losing streak before firing him.
No - that's how it has to be in your opinion.
In everyone else's opinion, he doesn't have the right to anything less than a conference championship.
Nope. He'd be gone by 0-4 next year (or even 0-3 and 0-2 if they were bad enough), even if he finished 2-10 this year. If next year looks like it's going to be back-to-back losing seasons, then GoL should be gone. Doesn't matter if he got a few wins.
Lack of improvement is just that, and a fireable offense. I mean, even though we dropped the first 2 in 2005, we finally started winning after that. GoL would be expected to do the same in 2016. If not, he should be gone after just a few games.
Then get ready to start firing most head coaches every year they don't. You guys think the grass is greener on the other side. Statistics tell me that a lot of G5s suck.
So yes, you could be right, and we now move to firing a coach every year they don't win a conference championship. But I seriously doubt that would work.
Even USF, right here with us in Florida, despite all their success, has sucked ... even with all those years with the BCS tag too. Nearly all their success was thanx to hardship waivers (even 3x to #2), with a graduation rate that dropped as low as 8%.
That's why I try to be objective. I don't automagically assume a GoL-less UCF would be better. If he's still failing us by early next year, he should be fired.
But I seriously doubt firing head coaches every year they don't win us a championship, or come close, would work out long-term. Even Boise screws that up, and often.
Then get ready to start firing most head coaches every year they don't.
Wrong again.
Other coaches are not GOL and GOL has to perform to stay. A new coach will have a grace period to build the program just like GOL did after our 0-11 season when he came in.
I love how @UCFBS thinks we expect instant success from the new coach or the regime should be canned...the arrogance of some of these Dungeon members.
Huh? I'd be just as objective with the new coach as I've been GoL.
In fact, if and when you guys are back to moaning about the new coach, you'll find I'm going to be more supportive of "your choice" than you are!
The only way I won't be is if the graduation rates tank. That's the only reason.
At this point in time, yes. And it's not just 'after 3 division/conference titles', so don't pander with those stats. You're looking at GOL's accomplishments in a micro vacuum and not his negatives or losses.
Other facts - like UCF as a whole outgrowing GOL in general in brand and in performance - means that GOL needs to OVERperform or OUTperform the fan bases expectations or he is due to be phased out.
What do you want to do? Keep someone in a program while it becomes stifled just to satisfy your feelings of loyalty?
No, I'm putting it in the exact context!
Being 100% realistic here ...
- GoL is fired in early 2016
- New coach comes on in late 2016
- New coach wins division or conference in both 2017 and 2018
- Those teams were using our recruits from 2013-2014 and 2014-2015, our best recruiting classes
- But our recruiting sucked 2015-2016
- So we're not doing well in 2018 or "okay" in 2018, but flat out sucking in 2019?
- You guys call for the new coaches head, ignoring the recruiting issues of 2015-2016
Would you guys want the new coach fired?
Or more importantly yet ...
Would you lambast me the same for pointing this facts out in 2018-2019?
That's what bothers me with most you guys.
You are so shallow on your "analysis," all while calling me "moron" and "dipsh--" as well as re-writing what I say, because you don't actually stop to understand what I'm pointing out.
We'll see, because I see this happening again in 2018-2019 if you guys get your way.
Guys, why you waste your time with ucfbs? He's not a real person, he is O'Leary's taint that somehow grew hands and learned how to type. He has the sports IQ of a pig's dick covered in shit and the brains of a dead panda. His opinion is as important as the shit I just took before I sat down to type this. Dude's a waste of semen. Just put him on ignore like the rest of us and you will live better, more productive lives.
Just what "fact" is this? It's these types of "facts" that I cannot analyze at all, or understand.
It's not "loyalty."
It's the fact that you don't fire a coach after 3 straight division/conference titles. You give him a chance to right the ship, especially with 2 great recruiting classes and lots of raw, inexperienced talent, that should get better.
Again ... even if we get a new coach in 2016, I see you guys doing this in 2018-2019, because of the 2015-2016 recruiting. Especially if our 2017 and 2018 seasons work out well, because of our 2013-2014 and 2014-2015 recruiting classes.
^^^ And this is what you fall back on every time I made a logical argument.
It's not that I'm overly "loyal" to GoL.
It's that I'm pointing out how fans destroy a program with the "NOW!" mentality.
Lol GOL hiring Taffee bought him a couple of more years with me and ive mentioned that before. Anything after 2011 was the last chance. Thats almost eight years. Maybe i wont be as patient with the next coach, but considering the goal of this program - despite what you, matty and SC say - is to join a P5 conference and to win at all levels (not necessarily a national championship or consecutive Top 5s), but i won't be calling for the regime to step down prematurely.
Your support for GOL will not die easily. I sense you'll be haunting us with posts about wishing he was still here. #insurgentforgol *
If we get in a P5, everything changes. Doesn't matter who is head coach.
You mean like I don't with Coach K? Seriously, I am supportive of new regimes. I don't pull that "I wish we still had the other guy" crap. That just undermines their leadership.
In fact, it's the reason I don't blame O'Brien for leaving PSU.
But you guys ignore my actual history, and say what you want about me. Anyone who has done any research on me can see my real intents and concerns. But whatever, I must be financially tied to GoL staying ... right?
I voted 36, that gives us a chance to evaluate this upcoming recruiting class mid way through their junior year, before expecting a win. You don't want to be hasty.
Wrong! GOL was brought in to propel our program to the next level.
We gave him seven years of mediocrity. We gave him three chances to right the ship.
Congrats that he gave us four consecutive decent years. Yet he hasn't fulfilled all that he was supposed to - against his conference, against g5 peers, against P5 peers. He's done almost all of them except the last one and we have given him 12 years to do so.
Now he's on his fourth slump. Sorry he's had way too many chances. He has got to go.
Last Saturday afternoon, i was watching some of the MTSU vs WKU football game. The announcers were commenting on the heartbreaking losses MTSU experienced against two P5 teams back to back. It reminded me of the Coach Kruz days! Its safe to say a bunch of fans most likely blamed Kruz and that if we got a successful coach who knew how to beat teams like them in his place, we can substitute those losses for wins. In some ways GOL falling into our laps was a blessing. He was supposed to go to Norte Dame and make them great again - of course the next couple have proven maybe they arent great judge of coaching talent after all but i digress. My point was that we had talent and we had a natural recruiting advantage but we needed the right coach to make it work. He even said it when he first signed with us! Yet he thought the best way to go about it was to tear it down and build it back up again and for that he's tried the patience of many fans for the first seven years. Now that he's experienced some decent consistency the next step was to perform better against teams from conferences youre groveling to join. He hasnt done that either. I'm of the fanbase who knows that GOL came here because we expect him to be beating teams from the G5 and P5 on a regular basis. Trophies are nice and conference championships are nice but it dont mean crap if you cant bring value to the conference youre representing by taking a dump against P5 teams you know you have a chance against. Texas is the only team i can think and maybe Miami that was a body bag game. Every other challenge we had against teams from the P5 was winnable and we failed.
...and now this has happened. 0-6 on the way to 0-12. Im sorry you know the rest.
Is he still here? Is he giving the "logical argument" bullshit thingy again? I'm sure he is since he has no new material. The man is herpes personified.
According to him we might as well ignore his performance before the Jeff Godfrey year.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!! Sure, let's just pretend UCF football didn't happen before 2010. Or 2007. Or 2004, gimme a fukcing break with this douchenozzle.
You can't fix stupid, fellas. Just ignore the dumb shit. There's nothing productive in any of his posts anyways.
Just beat Duh*Bulls !!! I would love to be 1-11. How humiliated for duh*bulls if that happens!
Gotta love this. Doesn't matter what I say, people will have an entire thread on what words they want to put in my mouth. Especially after I post some links.
I don't see a whole lot of difference between a team that wins one game or four games. The fact of the matter is we suck this year. We sucked in 2004, 2006, and 2008. I didn't think we sucked in 2011...we just had QB issues and lost some close games while going through growing pains at that position. I mean if we had beat FIU and Furman by two points and then lost the rest of our games, it wouldn't make a difference to me. We stink. Even if we would have beat FIU and Furman by two points and eeked out wins against Tulane and UConn, it wouldn't make a difference to me. We'd still stink. Your team is either good or bad....we're bad this year.
The good coach, bad coach argument is judgmental and is situational since he has been here for so long, and most other coaches don't last that long. If you don't cherry-pick some coaches from the likes of high-caliber P5 programs I thought you'd be hard-pressed to find anybody that doesn't have several good seasons with a few bad ones thrown in. So I did some research:
According to Wikipedia there are only six current coaches with longer tenures than GOL: Frank Beamer, Bob Stoops, Kirk Ferentz, Gary Patterson, Mark Richt and Gary Pinkel. Even these guys have had some bad seasons.
Beamer really struggled the first six season going 22-40-1 before success kicked in. Then he had a big run of 17 good seasons. The last three full seasons he was 22-17 with a .500 conference record. Many conference titles. So basically he sucked for six years, then was good for seventeen, and now has been very mediocre the last three seasons and is 2-2 so far this season. I could see Beamer hanging it up after this season.
Stoops is at Oklahoma...ridiculous budgets, coaches and recruits. His worst four seasons out of 16 were 7-5, 8-4, 8-5, and 8-5. Many conference titles.
Kirk Ferentz (Iowa) has 16 full seasons so far. He is 121-85 and has gone 70-60 in conference play. He has had six bad/average seasons spread out across his career: 1-10, 3-9, 6-7, 6-6, 7-6, and 4-8. Two conference titles.
Patterson is flat out a great coach. One of the best out there. Even he has had a couple of dud seasons, though. his first year was 6-6, followed by two stellar seasons than back to 5-6. Then they went on a big run of success until entering the Big-12. They struggled the first two years (11-14) while the recruiting was catching up. I'm not going to knock that. It should take 2-3 years to start seeing a difference on the field. Many conference titles. Hmmmm...wonder where TCU would be today if they canned him after that fourth season?!?!?!?
Richt is at Georgia....ridiculous budgets, coaches and recruits. He has only won less than eight games once. Has two conference titles.
Pinkel is at Mizzou. No conference titles in 15 seasons. I would point out he's won five division titles but is 0-5 in conference title games. 117-68 while going 64-54 in conference play. Team struggled to 4-7 and 5-7 in his first two years, then had a decent season, then back to 5-6. Then went 7-5 and 8-5 before going on a little run, then took a step back the first year in the SEC (totally understandable).
Other than Patterson, these are all guys at P5 programs. The only other G5 coaches that have about the same tenure as GOL are Bronco Mendenhall, Frank Solich, Kyle Whittingham (which is now P5) and Rick Stockstill.
Bronco is solid with two conference titles (while in the Mountain West) and consistently winning 8 or more games per year (other than two aberrations). He was 39-9 while part of the powerhouse Mountain West..that's sarcasm. Guy is a solid coach but it's hard to measure success when you aren't in a conference.
Solich has had up-and-down seasons as part of his tenure at Ohio. He is 77-57 overall and 50-32 in conference. No conference titles but has played for the conference title three times. What more can you expect out of Ohio?
Whittingham went 7-5, 8-5, 9-4, 13-0, 10-3, 10-3 while in the Mountain West. He has gone 27-23 in four complete seasons since joining the PAC-12, but only 14-22 in conference play, finishing in 5th three out of four seasons in their division. They are 5-0 this season so far so let's see what happens the rest of the way. He might be saving his job. It might have just taken a liitle longer than thought for the upgraded recruiting to kick in as well. Only time will tell.
Stockstill (Middle Tennessee) is an aberration. He is 59-59 overall and 44-27 in conference play. One conference title his first season then hasn't played for the conference title since. He only has three season out of nine with 8 or more wins. Honestly, I don't know why they've kept him around for this long when he hasn't won anything.
GOL is 81-66 overall and 58-32 in conference with four conference titles. Including this year, will have five bad seasons out of a total of twelve seasons. The highs are very high and the lows are....well low. I don't disagree with those that would like to see us be consistently good every year. I just don't see him getting axed after one bad season, especially after a good run from 2009 to 2014 (55-24 overall and 38-10 in conference, while winning tow conference title, playing for one other and winning a BCS bowl game). It bleeds into next year, yeah, time to seriously consider moving on. Even if we end up with 7-8 wins next year it still may be time to move on based on the college landscape.
For those that make fun of us having CUSA and AAC titles, Utah only has one conference title to it's name as part of the Mountain West. BYU has two Mountain West conference titles (although they have a bunch of years of playing independent).
You guys can make what you want out of this. I just thought it was interesting to see the facts laid out for all these guys/programs. There is a different story and path behind each of these programs.
The good coach, bad coach argument is judgmental and is situational since he has been here for so long, and most other coaches don't last that long. If you don't cherry-pick some coaches from the likes of high-caliber P5 programs I thought you'd be hard-pressed to find anybody that doesn't have several good seasons with a few bad ones thrown in. So I did some research:
According to Wikipedia there are only six current coaches with longer tenures than GOL: Frank Beamer, Bob Stoops, Kirk Ferentz, Gary Patterson, Mark Richt and Gary Pinkel. Even these guys have had some bad seasons.
Beamer really struggled the first six season going 22-40-1 before success kicked in. Then he had a big run of 17 good seasons. The last three full seasons he was 22-17 with a .500 conference record. Many conference titles. So basically he sucked for six years, then was good for seventeen, and now has been very mediocre the last three seasons and is 2-2 so far this season. I could see Beamer hanging it up after this season.
Stoops is at Oklahoma...ridiculous budgets, coaches and recruits. His worst four seasons out of 16 were 7-5, 8-4, 8-5, and 8-5. Many conference titles.
Kirk Ferentz (Iowa) has 16 full seasons so far. He is 121-85 and has gone 70-60 in conference play. He has had six bad/average seasons spread out across his career: 1-10, 3-9, 6-7, 6-6, 7-6, and 4-8. Two conference titles.
Patterson is flat out a great coach. One of the best out there. Even he has had a couple of dud seasons, though. his first year was 6-6, followed by two stellar seasons than back to 5-6. Then they went on a big run of success until entering the Big-12. They struggled the first two years (11-14) while the recruiting was catching up. I'm not going to knock that. It should take 2-3 years to start seeing a difference on the field. Many conference titles. Hmmmm...wonder where TCU would be today if they canned him after that fourth season?!?!?!?
Richt is at Georgia....ridiculous budgets, coaches and recruits. He has only won less than eight games once. Has two conference titles.
Pinkel is at Mizzou. No conference titles in 15 seasons. I would point out he's won five division titles but is 0-5 in conference title games. 117-68 while going 64-54 in conference play. Team struggled to 4-7 and 5-7 in his first two years, then had a decent season, then back to 5-6. Then went 7-5 and 8-5 before going on a little run, then took a step back the first year in the SEC (totally understandable).
Other than Patterson, these are all guys at P5 programs. The only other G5 coaches that have about the same tenure as GOL are Bronco Mendenhall, Frank Solich, Kyle Whittingham (which is now P5) and Rick Stockstill.
Bronco is solid with two conference titles (while in the Mountain West) and consistently winning 8 or more games per year (other than two aberrations). He was 39-9 while part of the powerhouse Mountain West..that's sarcasm. Guy is a solid coach but it's hard to measure success when you aren't in a conference.
Solich has had up-and-down seasons as part of his tenure at Ohio. He is 77-57 overall and 50-32 in conference. No conference titles but has played for the conference title three times. What more can you expect out of Ohio?
Whittingham went 7-5, 8-5, 9-4, 13-0, 10-3, 10-3 while in the Mountain West. He has gone 27-23 in four complete seasons since joining the PAC-12, but only 14-22 in conference play, finishing in 5th three out of four seasons in their division. They are 5-0 this season so far so let's see what happens the rest of the way. He might be saving his job. It might have just taken a liitle longer than thought for the upgraded recruiting to kick in as well. Only time will tell.
Stockstill (Middle Tennessee) is an aberration. He is 59-59 overall and 44-27 in conference play. One conference title his first season then hasn't played for the conference title since. He only has three season out of nine with 8 or more wins. Honestly, I don't know why they've kept him around for this long when he hasn't won anything.
GOL is 81-66 overall and 58-32 in conference with four conference titles. Including this year, will have five bad seasons out of a total of twelve seasons. The highs are very high and the lows are....well low. I don't disagree with those that would like to see us be consistently good every year. I just don't see him getting axed after one bad season, especially after a good run from 2009 to 2014 (55-24 overall and 38-10 in conference, while winning tow conference title, playing for one other and winning a BCS bowl game). It bleeds into next year, yeah, time to seriously consider moving on. Even if we end up with 7-8 wins next year it still may be time to move on based on the college landscape.
For those that make fun of us having CUSA and AAC titles, Utah only has one conference title to it's name as part of the Mountain West. BYU has two Mountain West conference titles (although they have a bunch of years of playing independent).
You guys can make what you want out of this. I just thought it was interesting to see the facts laid out for all these guys/programs. There is a different story and path behind each of these programs.
UCF should be called the UGOL. Hitt will never fire GOL. He'll ride the GOL sinking ship right to the bottom of the ocean. He may strongly encourage him to resign if he doesn't win a game this year which is a very good possiblity. Goodbye P5. It was a nice thought for awhile.
Agreed. I'll even accept it if they call a press conference and apologize for leading us on and finally admit what some of the huggers have already said - we're destined as a G5 school forever.
Then I say sign up some body bags matches - $3 million minimum - lets turn BHN into a ****ing cabana club.
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HAHAHA it would seriously take 17 losses in a row for you to can GOL?
You literally made me laugh out loud in the middle of the office.. And you're serious too. LOL
Agreed. I'll even accept it if they call a press conference and apologize for leading us on and finally admit what some of the huggers have already said - we're destined as a G5 school forever.
Then I say sign up some body bags matches - $3 million minimum - lets turn BHN into a ****ing cabana club.
"forever" is a long time. I would agree with the foreseeable future.
Agreed. I'll even accept it if they call a press conference and apologize for leading us on and finally admit what some of the huggers have already said - we're destined as a G5 school forever.
Then I say sign up some body bags matches - $3 million minimum - lets turn BHN into a ****ing cabana club.
"forever" is a long time. I would agree with the foreseeable future.
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