I just want O'Leary removed from the AD position immediately

[KNIGHTTIME^]

He isn't a person that is going to be good at an AD position in the first place. He doesn't really connect with fans in general. He thinks social media is a joke. Now he can make decisions that go all over UCF athletics which based on the OC choices has been bad (not including Taafe that we need back). We need a national AD search.

Once the season is over we can evaluate O'Leary on the football field. These coaches have programs by the balls. What is the buyout at this point? Close to $10 million. It would be great to have $10 million into Stadium improvements that are desperately needed. If we are 0-12 I think we have to go a different route. That would be two different winless seasons under his watch. We can't go 0-12 at the time we are trying to get a Big 12 invite. I don't see how we are winning any games though.

 

[UCFBS]

GoL is interim AD, so this is a fair desire.
Plus Hitt is not as dumb as people make him out to be.

So if a new AD is named later this year, I wouldn't be surprised.
But I do expect Hitt won't hire an AD that GoL doesn't like.

 

[C-MontCityKnight2]

GoL is interim AD, so this is a fair desire.
Plus Hitt is not as dumb as people make him out to be.

So if a new AD is named later this year, I wouldn't be surprised.
But I do expect Hitt won't hire an AD that GoL doesn't like.

*Plus, Hitt (missing comma)

 

[Stormthecourt?]

GoL is interim AD, so this is a fair desire.
Plus Hitt is not as dumb as people make him out to be.

So if a new AD is named later this year, I wouldn't be surprised.
But I do expect Hitt won't hire an AD that GoL doesn't like.

GOL should have no part in the national search for AD. If they find the best man or woman for the job then hire them.

 

[UCFBS]

GOL should have no part in the national search for AD. If they find the best man or woman for the job then hire them.

GoL will very much have a say, because Hitt likes the GoL program. I'm sure if Hitt thinks GoL is not being objective, he'll go against GoL. But Hitt is definitely going to bring in a guy that is compatible with the GoL program.

And that's the thing ... it doesn't matter win or lose, some of you guys don't like the GoL program, period. You want "no huddle" and other things I have been saying I don't give a crap about ... for years! We had a lot of exciting and innovative offenses under Coach K. Guess what? I don't give a crap. In fact, every few years it's new people calling me an idiot or moron, like I've never played the game and otherwise missed the history of the pro set, H-back, ace formation, etc...

Defense wins championships. We just have had some down offensive years. But we still survive. Sorry if you don't like it. But we have thus far.

It's not that Hitt or us allegedly "nuthuggers" want a losing season. It's just that we have known far more success under GoL than we've ever had before, and a lot of people outside the program attribute that to the GoL program. They aren't dumb or GoL nuthuggers either. In fact, after 2005 and definitely after 2007, a lot of people were saying, "Good luck on holding on to GoL."

We're rebuilding. It's official, especially after Holman went down, but definitely with the increased playtime of Freshmen. Get over it. I'll start worrying if our Freshman don't become performing Sophomores.

 

[Victorywayucf]

Let him be a figurehead, just don't give him any power in terms of hiring and firing.

 

[UCFBS]

Let him be a figurehead, just don't give him any power in terms of hiring and firing.

Why wouldn't he have any say or power?

 

[Victorywayucf]

Why wouldn't he have any say or power?

Because he shouldn't have any hiring power to name the next head coach cause he will do something stupid like name key head coach. And good lord he shouldn't have any power over other sports. Make him a figurehead that you can prop up like a corpse every once in awhile.

 

[UCFBS]

Because he shouldn't have any hiring power to name the next head coach cause he will do something stupid like name key head coach.

You mean like people used to worry Taaffe might be so named because GoL was hitting 65? (ironic considering Taaffe's age)

I'll let Key make or break himself. Right now, he's not looking good. But you don't fire an OC a whole 3 games in, let alone when he has the 3rd youngest roster in the country, or is dealing with all those injuries. That's like firing someone 3 weeks into their first 90 days, especially when half their support staff has been replaced as new themselves. Unless they violate some policy, you give them 90 days to show you what they can do ... what they can adapt to ... or not.

GoL is going to hire someone that will keep the GoL program going. You don't like that. You want to clean house. I get it. You want "no huddle." I get that.

And good lord he shouldn't have any power over other sports. Make him a figurehead that you can prop up like a corpse every once in awhile.

Good lord we allow him to infect everyone with old skool ideas. The horror!

 

[Victorywayucf]

You mean like people used to worry Taaffe might be so named because GoL was hitting 65? (ironic considering Taaffe's age)

I'll let Key make or break himself. Right now, he's not looking good. But you don't fire an OC a whole 3 games in, let alone when he has the 3rd youngest roster in the country, or is dealing with all those injuries. That's like firing someone 3 weeks into their first 90 days, especially when half their support staff has been replaced as new themselves. Unless they violate some policy, you give them 90 days to show you what they can do ... what they can adapt to ... or not.

GoL is going to hire someone that will keep the GoL program going. You don't like that. You want to clean house. I get it. You want "no huddle." I get that.

Good lord we allow him to infect everyone with old skool ideas. The horror!

Goddamn UCFBS you might be the biggest dipshit I've met. Key should have been fired last year. His unit was 111th last year. 111th, on top of a unit the year before finished 89th. On top of being 127th in offense. Plus as recruiting coordinator he hasn't been good. Unless you count being in the 60 good and the highest being in the 50s.. This isn't just about him being oc this is about several years of failure by him. He's proven that he isn't good in several different areas. You are all just late to the party in realizing it.

O'Leary doesn't have experience dealing with other sports. You want him to be in charge of football operations fine, but making him AD when he has no dealings or interactions with other sports is a terrible mistake.

 

[UCFBS]

Goddamn UCFBS you might be the biggest dipshit I've met. Key should have been fired last year. His unit was 111th last year. 111th, on top of a unit the year before finished 89th. On top of being 127th in offense. Plus as recruiting coordinator he hasn't been good. Unless you count being in the 60 good and the highest being in the 50s.

Sounds typical for UCF recruiting, even when Kelly was here. I think we hit 40-something before we lost a 4-star with that whole debacle of 2011-2012.

People have long complained about us being outside the top 50 in recruiting. Even better, there would be a 3+ star with UCF in his top 3 and people would complain when he wasn't being considered because he wasn't "UCF type."

But keep the insults coming, especially how I don't know anything about UCF history.

 

[Victorywayucf]

Sounds typical for UCF recruiting, even when Kelly was here. I think we hit 40-something before we lost a 4-star with that whole debacle of 2011-2012.

People have long complained about us being outside the top 50 in recruiting. Even better, there would be a 3+ star with UCF in his top 3 and people would complain when he wasn't being considered because he wasn't "UCF type."

But keep the insults coming, especially how I don't know anything about UCF history.

And yet that's still better than what Key did. And of course I'll keep the insults coming cause unlike you I actually have a job and don't pretend to be an executive to impress people online.

 

[UCFBS]

And yet that's still better than what Key did. And of course I'll keep the insults coming cause unlike you I actually have a job and don't pretend to be an executive to impress people online.

I'm not an executive, and am no longer even a lead as of May. I think I even said I have no direct reports the last time you started this BS.

I work for myself, hourly, at a major account, on behalf of an old employer. They now call me in when their customers dismiss their newer consultants. The ones new management brought in a few years back, when I was demoted. Just how the world works these days. Although I make more as a result, and have less responsibility ... and actually get my expense reports paid too (prior issue I had with the newer management too).

I'm at the point I want you guys to get your way. Remove GoL, Key ... even Hitt ... right now. See where that goes. I'm game, but don't get upset with me if I yank my fees when the program changes every year due to lack of results.

 

[jetsaholic]

Remove GoL, Key ... right now. See where that goes.

One can dream.

 

[UCFBS]

One can dream.

Yes, on-a-whim program management. If there is one thing I'm dealing with in my real life career over the past 2 years, it's that right now.

Quarterly results driving knee-jerk decisions that wipe out 2+ years of major account building. All because we could save $5K in outsourcing training to India, or $20/hour for a lesser experienced consultant ... until it causes a $50M major account to threaten to yank their money.

Fire GoL and Key, right now.
See what that results in.

 

[jetsaholic]

Fire GoL and Key, right now.
See what that results in.

It'll result in amazingness.

 

[80'sKnight]

Yes, on-a-whim program management. If there is one thing I'm dealing with in my real life career over the past 2 years, it's that right now.

Quarterly results driving knee-jerk decisions that wipe out 2+ years of major account building. All because we could save $5K in outsourcing training to India, or $20/hour for a lesser experienced consultant ... until it causes a $50M major account to threaten to yank their money.

Fire GoL and Key, right now.
See what that results in.

Same thing firing Kruz (eventho I am a fan of his offense) did. Better things will come down the road if we take action now. And Kruz never managed to lose to 1-AA since we became 1-A, (unless I'm mistaken in that), so O'leary has given us our best highlight and our worse and the only way that's allowable is if they happened in the opposite way than they did.

 

[Boston.Knight]

But Hitt is definitely going to bring in a guy that is compatible with the GoL program.
.

You mean another GOL lapdog like Todd - who screwed UCF and ran for greener pastures at the first chance he got? Greeeeeaaaat.

 

[UCFBS]

Same thing firing Kruz (eventho I am a fan of his offense) did. Better things will come down the road if we take action now.

I think Coach K was an offensive genius, and I'm sad he hasn't seen the type of roles since Arizona that he deserves.

That said ... if you think Coach K was canned merely because of the on-the-field issues, you'd be ignoring a lot. As someone told me after 2003, and pretty much nailed it ... "This team is no longer about the quarterback." Those who remember Ryan remember a lot of stories, things you'd never hear about a player -- starter or not -- with a GoL team.

Now that said ... if we come to find out GoL is losing control of the team, the discipline, the other things, like Coach K, then that would be a similar situation. I mean, if the off-the-field aspect of the GoL program starts showing issues, and grades are down, you can be sure GoL will be in hot water this season.

And Kruz never managed to lose to 1-AA since we became 1-A, (unless I'm mistaken in that),

You're not only correct, but I even restated that Coach K and GoL had both never lost to a FCS team, before the Furman loss. I predicted if we lost, there would be a whole new level of scrutiny from even the more patient fans.

so O'leary has given us our best highlight and our worse and the only way that's allowable is if they happened in the opposite way than they did.

Again, unless there are severe team discipline issues that GoL has ignored, like Coach K, then they are incomparable programs.

I'm just very afraid any "house cleaning" will result in a more Coach K-like program. UCF taking chances and entertaining kids who will bring the type of attitude that a GoL program will not tolerate.

 

[UCFBS]

You mean another GOL lapdog like Todd - who screwed UCF and ran for greener pastures at the first chance he got? Greeeeeaaaat.

Considering Todd had 10 years prior experience at Oregon, I would consider it an honor to return there, especially in the big position. People do leave and then go back.

That said ...

If we replace GoL, what do you expect will happen with the new program? Do you think if we have success our new HC will stick around? I mean ... we can play this all day, and it does not revolve just around GoL.

If anything, and I really wish people would take this to heart ...

GoL really does have our best interests in mind. Even if you don't like Key, or think he's undeserving, GoL honestly thinks we should stick with someone who will run our program similarly, so we avoid the prior pitfalls off-the-field.

Which is why I really don't like arguments like "more energy" and "no huddle."

 

[Victorywayucf]

You mean another GOL lapdog like Todd - who screwed UCF and ran for greener pastures at the first chance he got? Greeeeeaaaat.

Todd was the worst. That game in Ireland was stupid. Sure it raised the profile for a week then nothing. Hell the ecu game garnered us more attention. Plus it took away a home game which should have been a celebration of the 2013 team.

 

[UCFBS]

Todd was the worst. That game in Ireland was stupid. Sure it raised the profile for a week then nothing.

Depends on your viewpoint.

The viewpoint of an alleged moron (me) ...
- Gaelic Athletic Association = awesome on a national level (unlike any bowl program, incomparable)
- Every Irish tourist I've met in Orlando now recognizes the UCF logo when I'm wearing it
- Penn State fans still talking about it

And on a more GoL note ...
- Watching GoL get the certificate of his verified heritage in-person, very moving

Now I do think and recognize ESPN did a crap job as College Gameday could have broken in a couple of times. They didn't even mention it was on EPSN2, and the only mention it got was the game winning field goal at the end. No mention of when we took the lead or anything else.

Hell the ecu game garnered us more attention. Plus it took away a home game which should have been a celebration of the 2013 team.

I guess you just had to be there. I would trade all the prior Bowl experiences for that game in Ireland. The GAA was just unlike anything else I've ever experienced.

Furthermore ... despite some in the local media talking about "costs" to UCF, the GAA ate it. I didn't realize that until I was there. Had I listened only to the US media, they made it sound like UCF was going to lose massive amounts of money.

So ... I guess I don't know about "exposure," but we basically had one heck of a trip that didn't cost us much at all, one many will remember for a lifetime.

 

[Victorywayucf]

Depends on your viewpoint.

The viewpoint of an alleged moron (me) ...
- Gaelic Athletic Association = awesome on a national level (unlike any bowl program, incomparable)
- Every Irish tourist I've met in Orlando now recognizes the UCF logo when I'm wearing it
- Penn State fans still talking about it

And on a more GoL note ...
- Watching GoL get the certificate of his verified heritage in-person, very moving

Now I do think and recognize ESPN did a crap job as College Gameday could have broken in a couple of times. They didn't even mention it was on EPSN2, and the only mention it got was the game winning field goal at the end. No mention of when we took the lead or anything else.

I guess you just had to be there. I would trade all the prior Bowl experiences for that game in Ireland. The GAA was just unlike anything else I've ever experienced.

Furthermore ... despite some in the local media talking about "costs" to UCF, the GAA ate it. I didn't realize that until I was there. Had I listened only to the US media, they made it sound like UCF was going to lose massive amounts of money.

So ... I guess I don't know about "exposure," but we basically had one heck of a trip that didn't cost us much at all, one many will remember for a lifetime.

I was there. Yes cause Penn State fans are the kind of fans we want to associate with. You know the fans that supported a child rapist. Ucf did lose money by going in revenue since they lost a home game. The GAA was mediocre, I've had better experiences at epl and bundesliga games. And btw how would you know about college gameday's coverage if you were actually there? Especially since the game ran 3:30 hours in the heart of game days times lot. So how would you know that they weren't talking about us if you were actually there? I sure as shit was too busy at the game then worrying about gameday. Oh so you would trade the fiesta bowl experience for the Ireland game? Cause I, who was actually at both wouldn't

 

[Slappy_Knight]

GoL is interim AD, so this is a fair desire.
Plus Hitt is not as dumb as people make him out to be.

So if a new AD is named later this year, I wouldn't be surprised.
But I do expect Hitt won't hire an AD that GoL doesn't like.

Translation of "AD that GOL doesn't like" is : An AD that won't mess with GOL handling of the football program and will not hold him accountable. The usual free reign he has had.

Any real viable candidate will not want to come into this situation. It is proven that they will be gone before GOL. Look at the history.

Get a grip.

 

[Slappy_Knight]

He isn't a person that is going to be good at an AD position in the first place. He doesn't really connect with fans in general. He thinks social media is a joke. Now he can make decisions that go all over UCF athletics which based on the OC choices has been bad (not including Taafe that we need back). We need a national AD search.

Once the season is over we can evaluate O'Leary on the football field. These coaches have programs by the balls. What is the buyout at this point? Close to $10 million. It would be great to have $10 million into Stadium improvements that are desperately needed. If we are 0-12 I think we have to go a different route. That would be two different winless seasons under his watch. We can't go 0-12 at the time we are trying to get a Big 12 invite. I don't see how we are winning any games though.

Agree! I have a feeling GOL runs the football program and has always been interim AD with that specific program and the actual AD handled the rest of the programs besides all the social media, fan relations, and media relations stuff that GOL doesn't particularly care for. If you wanted to touch the football program you had to go through the big cheese in the "lion's den" where the weak were scared to go.

Some would rather be courted by a washed up rockn roll girl then take a walk to the den.

 

[UCFBS]

I was there. Yes cause Penn State fans are the kind of fans we want to associate with. You know the fans that supported a child rapist.

Seriously? Seriously? Dude ...
Might as well say we supported a killer ... oh wait, the "Garbage Men" did!

Some of us actually took trips to other parts of the country than just Dublin ... with Penn State fans. But I guess, according to you, I shouldn't have been hanging out with fans that supported a child rapist.

Sigh ...

Ucf did lose money by going in revenue since they lost a home game.

Given no cost to go to Ireland, I'd say it was more than worth it. It's still amazing to me that people think UCF had to pay for that trip, and shortchanged the GAA.

The GAA was mediocre, I've had better experiences at epl and bundesliga games.

Oh, I don't know ... there's something a bit romantic about a nation where 25% of all citizens fund it. Just how we were treated. I pretty much fell in love with Ireland.

And btw how would you know about college gameday's coverage if you were actually there? Especially since the game ran 3:30 hours in the heart of game days times lot. So how would you know that they weren't talking about us if you were actually there? I sure as shit was too busy at the game then worrying about gameday.

But I guess I'm the moron, the dipsh--, etc... right?

Oh so you would trade the fiesta bowl experience for the Ireland game? Cause I, who was actually at both wouldn't

Yes. The Fiesta Bowl was definitely the best bowl experience. But I fell in love with Ireland and the GAA was a big part of that.

 

[Boston.Knight2]

This season feels just like 2003, when Kruz got blown out - like the program has really taken a few steps back with serious question marks. If this staff can't recruit anymore, it's probably best to part ways and start over with somebody new. GOL bought some goodwill with the last two seasons - but was that because of David Kelly? We'll re-assess at end of year.

 

[Ucfmikes]

Seriously? Seriously? Dude ...
Might as well say we supported a killer ... oh wait, the "Garbage Men" did!

Some of us actually took trips to other parts of the country than just Dublin ... with Penn State fans. But I guess, according to you, I shouldn't have been hanging out with fans that supported a child rapist.

Sigh ...

Given no cost to go to Ireland, I'd say it was more than worth it. It's still amazing to me that people think UCF had to pay for that trip, and shortchanged the GAA.

Oh, I don't know ... there's something a bit romantic about a nation where 25% of all citizens fund it. Just how we were treated. I pretty much fell in love with Ireland.

But I guess I'm the moron, the dipsh--, etc... right?

Yes. The Fiesta Bowl was definitely the best bowl experience. But I fell in love with Ireland and the GAA was a big part of that.

I went to both as well. Man.., it was an amazing experience to play in a famous
BCS bowl game on New Years and beat Baylor. Memories forever. Pregame was fun too!!!

 

[goodknightfl]

This season feels just like 2003, when Kruz got blown out - like the program has really taken a few steps back with serious question marks. If this staff can't recruit anymore, it's probably best to part ways and start over with somebody new. GOL bought some goodwill with the last two seasons - but was that because of David Kelly? We'll re-assess at end of year.

The same David Kelly who helped put us in this mess?? The same David Kelly who was fired for lying to the NCAA.

 

[Ucfmikes]

The same David Kelly who helped put us in this mess?? The same David Kelly who was fired for lying to the NCAA.

Yes..that guy. Lol

SMH

 

[jetsaholic]

Depends on your viewpoint.

No, this is one of those things that is pretty much across the board and we all agree: the Ireland game was stupid and dumb. You can have a different opinion, but that just means you're wrong.

Don't argue. This really isn't a debate but a statement about the fact that the game was a stupid idea.