I wish the USF transfer could play. But the georgia kid should have been put in and play calling changed up
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I need a coach who can make the hard call and pull a player having a tough night. As the old saying goes, "it's not show friends, it's show business". Keene, TC, or the USF kid should have gone in, even if only for a few drives.
Can somebody explain to me how Castellanos was supposed to lead us back if ECU's holding the ball 8-9-10 minutes per drive and scoring every drive?
Sitting his ass after second stops the other two. If we quit gifting possessions, we could limit their TOP to an extent and get our D off the field.
Plumlee hadn't had 2 turnovers in a game all season. You don't take your starting QB out after two drives. He was the conference player of the week last week. The 3rd TO was a 4th down play where an incomplete would've been the same result and the 4th TO was when the game was already over and we were in desperation mode. I'm not saying he played well obviously. Those first two turnovers were absolute killers, but the Defense not being able to stop ECU at all was the bigger problem.
People blamed Gabriel for Louisville loss when he produced 5 TDs. Even though the defense was a revolving door.
If you look at his stats in UCF losses it was something like 16tds 4ints.
People tend to just focus on QB, although this case the QB play was actually terrible.
JRP is a running back trying to play QB. The mental aspects of the game along with visual acuity are critical to being a QB. He just doesn't have that. I fear that it won't be until 2023 that UCF has a chance. Castellanos is their QB of the future. He can run (and a tough runner) at that, but he sees the field well and is a QB first and a running back out of necessity. ECU had a player act a a spy on each play. They were not going to let JRP beat them with his legs. He was forced to be a QB; he failed. This continues to be habit for him.
They say the B12 doesn't play defense so we should be middle of the pack in 23, 24.
I am struggling to figure out what our new identity as a team is with Gus. We dont score 30 a game. We still give up 500yds a game on D. Everyone wants to talk about talent and touches. Looks like we can still use more talent upgrades. Pass rush will help the DBs. QB cant throw if hes sacked.
Every August you hear proclamations of Clown car of talent on both sides of the ball, and then suddenly now the team is lacking any playmakers or leadership. This year doesn't even have excuse of injuries.
You’re wrong about the 3rd turnover. While it may have been no different than an incomplete, even an incomplete is inexcusable there as Holler was open past the sticks. That is who JRP was throwing to and he just airmailed a 5 yard toss. Pick or not, his bad passing causes a turnover when we could have kept moving into ECU territory. That was a big possession.
I don't understand the burning desire to turn to a near total unknown. TC flashed against an atrocious Temple. Doesn't mean anything. Freaking Noah Vedral flashed once upon a time. We heard rumors of Quad for years. Neither one amounted to anything. TC might be the future, he might not.
The grander picture that is far more concerning, is that our entire coaching staff was beat down. JRP made it far worse, but ECU was schemed well against Gus and Chip, and we probably lose that game regardless from what I saw because our defense was set on making 37 year old Ahlers look like a mastermind.
No question JRP had his worst game so far, it's obvious. He still gives us the best chance to win now.
The grander picture that is far more concerning, is that our entire coaching staff was beat down. JRP made it far worse, but ECU was schemed well against Gus and Chip, and we probably lose that game regardless from what I saw because our defense was set on making 37 year old Ahlers look like a mastermind.
No question JRP had his worst game so far, it's obvious. He still gives us the best chance to win now.
Because people overreact to everything. I almost said it, but held back before the game, that we'd seen 90 minutes of good play in a row, 60 of which was against a team that's not good, and everyone acted like we'd somehow turned a corner. Maybe we had, but man, are we all new to college football or UCF in years where we can put up amazing numbers against bad teams but can't find the line to gain against good teams?
It's been like this the last three years, just too easy to get excited by wins against Temple and FAU
When he fumbled for his second and final actual turnover, it was a 3-0 game. As you said, turnovers 3 and 4 were inconsequential to the result. Turnovers didn’t lose this game.
A team devoid of talent won the prior 4 games by a 45-14 average margin? Logic does not compute. We went on the road with Gameday on the line as comfortable favorites and laid an egg in every facet of the game.
Momentum is a big deal in football, particularly in college. Two early Turnovers on the road are hard to overcome.
Agreed there were other issues which were probably more important.
Agreed there were other issues which were probably more important.
Ahlers threw for 400+ yards the last time we went to Greenville in 2020. But it takes a bit of the sting off when the offense puts up 50+ points and you win by 3 touchdowns anyway.
Didn't say devoid of talent, just often gets overhyped each preseason on how the team is full of all Americans. Then the same people will say the team lacks mid-season.
And when your previous opponents all are fighting to just be bowl eligible and games were almost all at home, you would expect large margin victories. Even SMU has to play really well to finish their season to get 6 wins.
Reality is we don’t have top 25 talent. We are somewhere in the 30-50 range. When we were cracking the top 25, it wasn’t because we had a talent advantage over the teams below us.
Perhaps he could have kept our offense on the field a little longer? Perhaps he wouldn't have thrown those interceptions? Perhaps he wouldn't have fumbled? Everything we are saying is all "who knows." It's all "perhaps." In other words speculation. My question would be what did we have to lose by seeing if they could do better of it gave JRP a chance to calm down.
If 4 turnovers were 4 touchdowns, how many points would we have?
Agreed, especially after a dropped td. That would have kept momentum with us, instead we quickly went doen 14-0 and never recovered
Well first of all, now you're assuming Castellanos is playing from the beginning. I don't think sitting Plumlee after his historic conference player of the week effort is realistic to anyone. Considering we had 1 TD total in the game, I think all 4 of those drives turning into TDs is a stretch to say the least.
After JRP’s second turnover (and last actually relevant one) the game was 3-0. We got the ball to end the first half and start the second half. It wasn’t a hopeless situation if we had an offense that could have scored.
Say Castellanos had been brought in after the interception on 4th down. 3rd straight turnover. We only had 6 possessions after that. He would've needed 5 of 6 of those possessions to end in a TD. That seem realistic to anybody? If he'd come in at half it'd have to be 5 for 5.
You can say momentum all you want, but we had all the momentum when we got the field goal at the half then went out and got the ball the 3rd quarter and scored a TD. 1 score game, the defense had been off the field for a long time, it didn't matter ECU drove right down the field and scored a touchdown just like they had in the first half. Our defense was simply outclassed and outcoached.
You can say momentum all you want, but we had all the momentum when we got the field goal at the half then went out and got the ball the 3rd quarter and scored a TD. 1 score game, the defense had been off the field for a long time, it didn't matter ECU drove right down the field and scored a touchdown just like they had in the first half. Our defense was simply outclassed and outcoached.
Same thing happened 2020 vs Cincy. It was blamed on the offense scoring too fast.
Serious Colonel? Maybe by not fumbling or throwing an INT after 2 or 3 of them? JRP had 4 of them. That goes against Einsteins sayings of keep doing the same thing over and and over again and expecting different results. Come on man.
No, ....how about after 2 turnovers. How about letting him cool off, put in another QB for a few plays. And how about if he makes the plays? How about?
Agree with you on the defense being outcoached (or our players melted down and lost their brains)
Plumlee was also making bad decisions. Had 4 yards for a first down, green grass in front of him, nobody there, forced an incomplete pass. This went on throughout the knight. I mean I though JRP would be descent by now.
Again, you're not taking out JRP after the first INT, not even the genius' on this board would ask for that. But let's say we listen to the board and take him out after the fumble. (which was never going to happen) After that fumble JRP 22/32 for 262 yards, an INT that was on 4th down so incomplete would've had the same result, and then a desperation INT in the final seconds of a blowout game. Those aren't exactly terrible numbers.
So again, my question is, if anything would've changed if Castellanos would've been brought into the game? Those first 2 turnovers by JRP were absolute killers, there's no doubt about that, he's got to do better, but the premise of this thread is that Castellanos being brought into the game after those turnovers would somehow have changed something and it's easy to see that it wouldn't have mattered unless Castellanos somehow figured out how to scheme and implement a defense while also performing his QB duties.
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The offense was ineffective in general. We had basically 3 drives successful. The last drive to end the half when ECU went prevent, the first drive of the second half, and the last drive that led to an interception in what amounted to garbage time with ECU in prevent. After ECU scored on their opening possession of the second half we punted on our next 2 drives and that was the ball game.
