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I wish the USF transfer could play. But the georgia kid should have been put in and play calling changed up

The offense was ineffective in general. We had basically 3 drives successful. The last drive to end the half when ECU went prevent, the first drive of the second half, and the last drive that led to an interception in what amounted to garbage time with ECU in prevent. After ECU scored on their opening possession of the second half we punted on our next 2 drives and that was the ball game.
It was ineffective, but it also had 5 fewer drives than it typically has had in games this year. 5 fewer, that’s insane. The amount of time they were able to keep us off the field is 100% on the defense.
 
It was ineffective, but it also had 5 fewer drives than it typically has had in games this year. 5 fewer, that’s insane. The amount of time they were able to keep us off the field is 100% on the defense.
Maximizing number of drives is how you avoid games being dictated by high variance possessions that end in turnovers. It’s what I’ve said since day 1 when people preach about slow methodical drives. This is how you get situations like Georgia tech where you drive for 12 minutes, are held to a field goal, look up, and you are at the end of the first quarter or half with a terrible team hanging around. It’s why teams with severe talent deficiencies like military academies do this. Because if they get a turnover or 2, welp, there goes a quarter of your possessions.
 
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Say Castellanos had been brought in after the interception on 4th down. 3rd straight turnover. We only had 6 possessions after that. He would've needed 5 of 6 of those possessions to end in a TD. That seem realistic to anybody? If he'd come in at half it'd have to be 5 for 5.

You can say momentum all you want, but we had all the momentum when we got the field goal at the half then went out and got the ball the 3rd quarter and scored a TD. 1 score game, the defense had been off the field for a long time, it didn't matter ECU drove right down the field and scored a touchdown just like they had in the first half. Our defense was simply outclassed and outcoached.
I think some of us are saying he should have been brought in earlier not after the game was out of reach.
 
It was ineffective, but it also had 5 fewer drives than it typically has had in games this year. 5 fewer, that’s insane. The amount of time they were able to keep us off the field is 100% on the defense.
No, I think it is on the offense and defense.
 
I think some of us are saying he should have been brought in earlier not after the game was out of reach.
I mean in my scenario that you replied to I have him coming in on the 4th drive, you seriously wanted him in earlier? My point is, Castellanos wasn't playing defense, he would not have contributed to a lower score from ECU, so we'd need basically touchdowns from him on every drive.
 
Perhaps he could have kept our offense on the field a little longer? Perhaps he wouldn't have thrown those interceptions? Perhaps he wouldn't have fumbled? Everything we are saying is all "who knows." It's all "perhaps." In other words speculation. My question would be what did we have to lose by seeing if they could do better of it gave JRP a chance to calm down.
He would have burned his redshirt for nothing. Now, I do blame the staff for playing Tommy in a couple of those earlier games where he basically just handed the ball off so now you can’t use him. Maybe you do that with an established QB but Plumlee is in his first season here (and hasn’t played QB in 3 seasons) and is due to struggle, like any first year QB. GOL used to yank struggling QBs and put somebody else out there for a series or two to “calm them down”. That could have been employed against ECU if Tommy had games left. Don’t think it would have changed the outcome but it might have changed the way we played. Probably would have been useful in some other future game this season where we are struggling.
 
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He would have burned his redshirt for nothing. Now, I do blame the staff for playing Tommy in a couple of those earlier games where he basically just handed the ball off so now you can’t use him
It's strange to have all these qbs but we can't use any of them because they're all redshirts. On what other team is Qb2 on the depth chart a redshirt?

College football has always benefitted from multi-qb systems. Sure people have all kinds of opinions on having two main qbs, but having someone who is eligible to come in a series or two can never be a bad thing.

This business about being able to play four games as a redshirt (and to be able to redshirt any year) is a mess. Is someone a redshirt? Well who knows. Could change week to week and we'll know when the season is over.

Keene, while he hasn't played, is qb2. It's clear to me that he's the guy who will come in if JRP is injured, but coach is hoping that it's less than five games.
 
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It's strange to have all these qbs but we can't use any of them because they're all redshirts. On what other team is Qb2 on the depth chart a redshirt?

College football has always benefitted from multi-qb systems. Sure people have all kinds of opinions on having two main qbs, but having someone who is eligible to come in a series or two can never be a bad thing.

This business about being able to play four games as a redshirt (and to be able to redshirt any year) is a mess. Is someone a redshirt? Well who knows. Could change week to week and we'll know when the season is over.

Keene, while he hasn't played, is qb2. It's clear to me that he's the guy who will come in if JRP is injured, but coach is hoping that it's less than five games.
It makes it seem like every QB in the lockeroom is one foot out the door. Sounds like if Castallanos is not the QB next year he is gone.

Which is the current state of college football, but sacrificing the current season in hopes of the future is not the solution. Malzahn has to sell it better than that. Otherwise the team will never have a QB start 3 seasons, and lucky to get consecutive.
 
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It makes it seem like every QB in the lockeroom is one foot out the door. Sounds like if Castallanos is not the QB next year he is gone.

Which is the current state of college football, but sacrificing the current season in hopes of the future is not the solution. Malzahn has to sell it better than that. Otherwise the team will never have a QB start 3 seasons, and lucky to get consecutive.
Im thinking its Gus decision to redshirt TC this year. Not a request from the player.
 
Im thinking its Gus decision to redshirt TC this year. Not a request from the player.
Of course he is making the decision, but doesn't mean he is making the best decision for this season and can be influence by thinking players like Keene saying they intend to transfer. Also, does anyone think Castallanos is going to be the next Ahlers and be here for 10 years. When is the last time UCF had a QB stay in the program for 5 years?

If Castallanos starts next year, the excuse will be that it's his first year and we shouldn't have high expectations, wait till 2024, because he didn't get any real experience the previous season.

Plumlee is a college veteran. He may not have played QB the last few years, but he's not inexperienced, he's started 7 games this season. If he can't get it done in the next few games, I don't think you expect this huge jump in performance next season out of a guy who will be in his 5th year of playing college football.
 
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Of course he is making the decision, but doesn't mean he is making the best decision for this season and can be influence by thinking players like Keene saying they intend to transfer. Also, does anyone think Castallanos is going to be the next Ahlers and be here for 10 years. When is the last time UCF had a QB stay in the program for 5 years?

If Castallanos starts next year, the excuse will be that it's his first year and we shouldn't have high expectations, wait till 2024, because he didn't get any real experience the previous season.

Plumlee is a college veteran. He may not have played QB the last few years, but he's not inexperienced, he's started 7 games this season. If he can't get it done in the next few games, I don't think you expect this huge jump in performance next season out of a guy who will be in his 5th year of playing college football.
I think Milton could've been that guy, but of course the injury changed everything.
 
I think Milton could've been that guy, but of course the injury changed everything.
Which is true, so to make it happen.

Castallanos has to be great to start 4 straight years.
Not great enough to go to NFL early.
Not get injured bad enough to reduce his ability to keep his job
Not have another QB recruit in the next 4 years (while in B12) that is a better talent.
 
Again, you're not taking out JRP after the first INT, not even the genius' on this board would ask for that. But let's say we listen to the board and take him out after the fumble. (which was never going to happen) After that fumble JRP 22/32 for 262 yards, an INT that was on 4th down so incomplete would've had the same result, and then a desperation INT in the final seconds of a blowout game. Those aren't exactly terrible numbers.

So again, my question is, if anything would've changed if Castellanos would've been brought into the game? Those first 2 turnovers by JRP were absolute killers, there's no doubt about that, he's got to do better, but the premise of this thread is that Castellanos being brought into the game after those turnovers would somehow have changed something and it's easy to see that it wouldn't have mattered unless Castellanos somehow figured out how to scheme and implement a defense while also performing his QB duties.
But after 2 ints's and fumble. MY GOD SIT THE BOY DOWN FOR A WHILE!
 
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Again, you're not taking out JRP after the first INT, not even the genius' on this board would ask for that. But let's say we listen to the board and take him out after the fumble. (which was never going to happen) After that fumble JRP 22/32 for 262 yards, an INT that was on 4th down so incomplete would've had the same result, and then a desperation INT in the final seconds of a blowout game. Those aren't exactly terrible numbers.

So again, my question is, if anything would've changed if Castellanos would've been brought into the game? Those first 2 turnovers by JRP were absolute killers, there's no doubt about that, he's got to do better, but the premise of this thread is that Castellanos being brought into the game after those turnovers would somehow have changed something and it's easy to see that it wouldn't have mattered unless Castellanos somehow figured out how to scheme and implement a defense while also performing his QB duties.
I don't think anyone said take him out after the first INT. Just don't make stuff up.
 
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Again, you're not taking out JRP after the first INT, not even the genius' on this board would ask for that. But let's say we listen to the board and take him out after the fumble. (which was never going to happen) After that fumble JRP 22/32 for 262 yards, an INT that was on 4th down so incomplete would've had the same result, and then a desperation INT in the final seconds of a blowout game. Those aren't exactly terrible numbers.

So again, my question is, if anything would've changed if Castellanos would've been brought into the game? Those first 2 turnovers by JRP were absolute killers, there's no doubt about that, he's got to do better, but the premise of this thread is that Castellanos being brought into the game after those turnovers would somehow have changed something and it's easy to see that it wouldn't have mattered unless Castellanos somehow figured out how to scheme and implement a defense while also performing his QB duties.
It's common sense to cool JRP down. Just cool him down. Let him take a break from trying to save the game by going nuts. No cool down and you get 3 ints and a fumble. It's common sense.
 
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It's common sense to cool JRP down. Just cool him down. Let him take a break from trying to save the game by going nuts. No cool down and you get 3 ints and a fumble. It's common sense.
So you want to take him out after the 1st 2 turnovers. K, got it. But we've also established that the first 2 turnovers were the turnovers that really killed us, the other 2 turnovers were inconsequential and he didn't really play that bad after that. So what do you think would've been accomplished by pulling him?
 
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