Illegal Alien Arrested for the Murder of Mollie Tibbetts
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Yup. How is this not obvious to some people? It'd be like if a Jewish person killed a girl, and some people then said, "Well, if we didn't allow Jewish people in the country, she'd still be here today. Therefore, we should banish all Jewish people!"
Terrible analogy. You're not on your best game today. The key to the argument is that the murderer was illegally in the US. It is not illegal for Jews to be here.
honest question for you. if that illegal alien werent in the country a few weeks ago, do you think there is a good chance that mollie would still be alive today?
But the logic tree is the same. The fact that he was illegal has nothing to do with the fact that the girl was murdered, just like the fact that a random guy being Jewish would have nothing to do with the fact that a random girl was being murdered. Do you agree that if Jewish people were banned from the US, there would be fewer murders by Jewish people? Fewer robberies by Jewish people? Fewer car accidents caused by Jewish people. Why then would be not ban Jewish people? The analogy demonstrates the absurdity of the logic...or lack thereof.
If that dude who killed his wife and two young daughters weren't in the country a few weeks ago, do you think there is a good chance that his wife and kids would still be alive today?
Yes, he was illegal. But he was also verified to work where he was and had been doing so without incident for the past 7 years. I’m going to assume he didn’t have any other prior criminal activity. Should he have been here? Maybe, maybe not?
But what if he was here on say a travel visa. There would be nothing to necessarily stop the crime from happening. Would the political football be played in that case?
But what if he was here on say a travel visa. There would be nothing to necessarily stop the crime from happening. Would the political football be played in that case?
There are laws. Follow the law. This guy avoided and evaded and now committed murder. However, I know the majority of MS-13 are Jews and not illegals...
This coming from the guy who was championing just yesterday the President circumventing laws and pardoning anow convicted felon and a confessed one.
You are stretching quite a long way to try to eliminate a fact that is significant. He was not a murderer because he was illegal, but he was a murderer who shouldn't have been in this country preying upon one of our citizens. This is significant to the policy debate where people are arguing for open borders and trying to paint illegal immigration as a victimless crime. In order to make your point, you have to make up scenarios to obfuscate the undeniable fact that he would not have murdered that girl that day if he were not in this country.
No, if there’s considerable evidence showing that illegal immigrants are considerably more likely to murder and “prey” on Americans than other people, then that is a point worth discussing and looking into. If you were to post data showing that murder RATES would go significantly down by having better border control, that is worth looking into. However, that is not what’s going on here.
My opinion ... who cares. If they are here illegally, throw them out. I don't care if they are the most stand up people on the planet ... or the most heinous.
Come in to this country the way most immigrants do. No shortcuts.
That would be a more respectable position because you wouldn’t be demonizing entire groups by the actions of individuals...actions that may occur even less frequently than the population average.
By using YOUR argument we already know that murder rates would go significantly down by having border control. Your argument that more people=more murders, I can equally say that less people=less murders. Therefore, those immigrants that are illegally here are by default increasing the murder rate.
So according to your logic...any pardon is bad. Smart guy....the court believes the person in/going to jail broke the law....THEY'VE BEEN CONVICTED. The president has the right to disagree and expunge them.
And the basis for this presidential privilege is because our founding fathers wanted to safeguard against revolts and rebellions during their tenure. Stomp out witch hunts and restore order.
So yes...follow the law and constitution. I know these facts inconvenient you.
If there were no illegal immigrants in America, the rate of illegal immigrants killing people in America would be zero. Your entire argument is based on the premise that they deserve to be here and we need to come up with a reason why they are a threat to citizens to remove them. That is a false premise that should be rejected entirely.
We have a country, citizens, and immigration policy for a multitude of reasons. I don't care whether they're murderers or not. Illegal immigrants should not be in this country. Period. The fact that this one killed an American citizen is a special injustice.
I have empathy. Let's fix the system so that we are able to make good decisions on who comes in and who doesn't in a reasonable amount of time and then everyone is happy. Right?
uh oh, being reported now he was here legally. Any chance any of the racists in here will apologize? Probably not. Turns out he is just a scum bag who killed someone, something that happens from legal american citizens all the time unfortunately.
Racist?
It doesn't change anything whether he's here legally or illegally. He's just no longer an illegal immigrant scumbag but now just a scumbag.
agree but be honest, the only reason this thread made was because he was thought to be an illegal immigrant, and most of the usual suspects piled on that agenda, or no?
No, I don’t think you understand what is meant by “rates”. The total number of murders would go down simply because there would be fewer people in the country, but that wouldn’t say anything as to the likeliness of an individual in a given population being murdered.
There's a minute chance KL makes this thread unless the dude who did it was illegal.
Gotcha. I will consider that a nuance but the basis of the overall discussion remains the same. Had we had better control of our borders the illegal immigrant would not have been here, she would have 100% not been murdered by an illegal immigrant.
agree and its sad that people like KL take such a tragedy and try and throw a political touchdown with it. Truly despicable.
Apparently it is racist to condemn illegal immigrants. This is why we can't have productive discussions about immigration policy and why the system isn't getting fixed. Because anything that you don't like you will label the worst thing that you can think of. It's a boy-who-cried-wolf pattern that is getting tiresome.
It's a water cooler board and illegal immigration is a hot topic in society. So, why is it that surprising to you that someone would start a thread about it? It doesn't make them a bad person.
Also, no one on this board gets political gain out of posting any thread in here. And, immigration policy is heavily political and events that weigh against one side of the argument or the other are natural for that. Why do we have to feel bad ab out having the discussion?
no its racist because everyone assumed he was illegal because hes brown. Trump supporters (notice I am not saying the right) will scream fake news at anything that doesn't support their agenda, but as soon as something does they take it at face value. Look at the first page of this thread for proof. If this post wasn't racist, how come there aren't any posts about the dozens of other murders that happen every day in USA? It was only posted by KL because he saw an alleged illegal alien did something bad and wanted to spike the ball into the endzone in celebration.
No, they didn't. They assumed that he was illegal because the article linked in the original post stated that he was illegal. You can put your strawman of the racist conservative away now.
Wrong. People thought he was illegal because it was being reported that way, not because he was freaking brown. Geez.
Great so when the news reports things that support your agenda its totally credible but when they don't its FAKE NEWS right? Just trying to clarify.
Also I was only really posting in jest that yall are racist. I know none of you guys are racist. Just funny how trump supports call anything they disagree with fake news but anything that happens to be in agreement with them is immediately hailed as accurate -- so much so that trump himself went on and on about this last night.
KL .... you better give back that political gain you got. The sheep are demanding you return it.
I don't even know what that means. He's a scumbag that was originally reported as being an illegal alien. He's now a scumbag that is no longer being reported as an illegal alien. He's still a scumbag.
are you being stubborn? You don't know what it means?
It means trump supporters take any news that puts Trump in a bad light and simply dismiss it as fake news. Happens everyday. Anything that comes out as favorable to them (and an illegal alien killing a white girl is very favorable to Trumps agenda) is suddenly very credible news. Do you understand that?: Not sure I can break it down anymore.
What can go wrong with open boarders? Sex trafficking and murder. No other country would put up with this crap and we have the lazy welfare SJW wanting open boarders. Most of the crying comes from NE states which doesn't have the problem.
Guess what happens without open borders (which we don't have)? Sex trafficking and murder.
Because the majority of those are committed by blacks, and you've decided that's a racist fact to point out.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-homicides-data-tracker-htmlstory.html
Oh wait it's not actually about the murder, it's only a thing if a white person did it.
You are incredible at posting links that prove my point. Where are the 50 threads on these people? Why do you only care when a pretty white girls was killed by a brown person?
Oh it's because you are an inbred piece of shit. And still MY BITCH
*humblebrag* It feels good after idiots have been making their "RACIST!" posts for years turn out to be obvious racists. *endhumblebrag*
