Jesus my employees suck

[cnsaguy]

Company authorized $25/head to do a Christmas lunch. So they choose Longhorn to go. I'll be damned if they weren't colluding to spend every penny of that $25. Apps, lobster tail... you name it.

I fukcing hate it when people order things on other people's dime that they wouldn't buy with their own money. I'm sure our libtard posters see nothing wrong with this.

 

[fabknight]

LOL. What's the big deal if the company was paying for it? They were probably justified. I'm sure they view it as payment for all the BS they have to put up with throughout the year. What did you expect them to do? 99% of people out there would do the same thing. It's a gift from the company, right? If you didn't want them to spend it, the don't offer it.

Conversely, I personally think if they knew it was coming directly out of your pocket, they probably would be a little more cognizant about what they were ordering.

 

[UCFRogerz]

I eat like a king when I'm on travel.

 

[Happy Hands]

Is the title: "Jesus, my employees suck" like you're praying or "Jesus, my employees, suck" like you employ a gaggle of employees named Jesus?

A steak at Longhorns is what 17-18 bucks? That's pretty close to 25. Throw in a beer and you go over the cap. Your company ain't baller. Cap should have been 50 and you hit up a brewpub right after work.

Fab is right. If it's my boss paying out of his pocket, I'm frugal and considerate. If it's the company, then I'm fu(king Caligula.

 

[sk8knight]

If you told them they had a $25 budget, why would you be frustrated when they spent the budget? If you wanted them to spend less then set the budget lower.

Looking at it from their pov, you get all excited that the company is paying for lunch and its $25 so they're really treating you. You feel honored and morale is high. Then your douchebag boss makes you feel guilty about using the allocated $25 budget and all morale is lost and you feel like the company lies to you and doesn't value you. You still get the free lunch but you feel dirty about it. You go home and tell your significant other, Jesus my boss sucks.

 

[Bob the Citronaut]

Fire them all.

 

[EweSeaEff]

Cheap fvck

 

[CommuterBob]

I'm sure they appreciated the generosity, scrooge.

 

[cnsaguy]

Bob has the right idea.

 

[EweSeaEff]

Bob has the right idea.

Go for it then, Joshua John Ward.

 

[1ofTheseKnights]

Wtf, my Xmas party was at the Ritz. Open bar, steak lobster etc...

 

[sk8knight]

Wtf, my Xmas party was at the Ritz. Open bar, steak lobster etc...

Damn accountants. Meanwhile the people that actually make stuff get every request nickel and dimed by you guys.

 

[Bob the Citronaut]

And that's why they're nickel and diming. They need to save enough in the budget for their steak and lobster parties.

 

[EweSeaEff]

We host ours at the same country club every year. We get a 6L bottle of Jarvis, Silver Oak or Quintessa and the 12 of us sip on that over our surf & turf. Then we all retire to the bar where it's open bar and more food if you want.

 

[1ofTheseKnights]

Damn accountants. Meanwhile the people that actually make stuff get every request nickel and dimed by you guys.

Meh they're out the door every day @ 5 latest too

 

[UCFKnight85]

I haven't been in years, but isn't Longhorn where white trash go to get their $11.99 three course meals with $2 bud lights in plastic mugs?

 

[fabknight]

I haven't been in years, but isn't Longhorn where white trash go to get their $11.99 three course meals with $2 bud lights in plastic mugs?

Yes. I went to that place once and didn't like it. Besides, when I go to a steak house, I expect a little more sophistication.

 

[crambone]

If you didn't want them to spend $25.00, don't set the budget at $25.00.

My company party is tomorrow. Instead of going out we are catering Texas Cattle Company and there will be bottles of craft beer and Lynchburg lemonade for those who don't like beer. Well under budget, everyone gets a belly full and a buzz. Win.

 

[Whataknight]

$25 a head..lol

I was given a 5K budget to take out a division of 50 people. That got us 2.5 hours at Cuba Libre plus an open bar in a private room.

Was also given a penthouse at the Hyatt Regency on I-Drive as a congrats present on the promotion. Damn thing was nearly the size of the BHNS recruiting room

 

[1ofTheseKnights]

$25 a head..lol

I was given a 5K budget to take out a division of 50 people. That got us 2.5 hours at Cuba Libre plus an open bar in a private room.

Was also given a penthouse at the Hyatt Regency on I-Drive as a congrats present on the promotion. Damn thing was nearly the size of the BHNS recruiting room

The Zec backing up the truck!

 

[UCFBS]

Company authorized $25/head to do a Christmas lunch. So they choose Longhorn to go. I'll be damned if they weren't colluding to spend every penny of that $25. Apps, lobster tail... you name it.
I fukcing hate it when people order things on other people's dime that they wouldn't buy with their own money. I'm sure our libtard posters see nothing wrong with this.

While I sympathize with your reality, and even use it to bark back at people, "You take advantage of capitalism too," you really have to point the finger at yourself as well.

That said ... here's an idea for 2016 ...

Take the amount you would have spent on a Christmas party/dinner, and donate it to charity instead, skipping the Christmas party. Let your employees vote on the charity (or top 2 charities to give to), and that's how you make them feel involved.

This is what my employer (actually, past employer, now my primary client) has done since the economic downturn of 2008, which has been repeatedly highlighted in the media since we're a S&P500 company.

 

[cnsaguy]

I have a couple job openings available. Warehouse workers. Let me know if interested.

 

[Whataknight]

The Zec backing up the truck!

We had 80 rooms at the property & they gave us a penthouse per block of 40 rooms. $119 a night

 

[ReginaeUCF]

If you gave them a $25 budget why would they NOT spend the $25? If you want to be a cheap ass maybe give them a $15 budget next year. Whatadick*

 

[ReginaeUCF]

I haven't been in years, but isn't Longhorn where white trash go to get their $11.99 three course meals with $2 bud lights in plastic mugs?

Pretty much - but there is one near my house that we will order a TOGO pickup from time to time when we dont want to go out or cook

 

[UCFBS]

If you gave them a $25 budget why would they NOT spend the $25? If you want to be a cheap ass maybe give them a $15 budget next year. Whatadick*

I think his point was that employees don't think of their employer.

Instead of stopping at $12, $15 or $17, they spent every single dollar. Ala gov't type expenditure ... spend it all, instead of returning some. Part of the reason we cannot rein in expenditures in our government, and most companies have similar issues.

Of course, it goes the other way too. Anecdotal ...

Spoiler

I'm a pretty cheap bastard when it comes to travel, and yet, despite all the upsell (beyond the base money I make for my employer, now my client), they sometimes don't want to pay expenses. A manager even got mad at me last year when HR got involved, even though I didn't invite them (his own mistakes caused it, via another party).

So ... I see it both ways. Employers who try to pinch every time, and employees who try to take advantage of every dollar their employer gives them. Meanwhile, people like me really do exist as employees, and I know I'm not alone.

Part of the reason I went back to being self-employed, I have a contact that protects me, as well as guarantees certain things. Heck, years ago, I used to bill "all inclusive," which meant my expenses were all my own, so I had incentive to not spend a lot.

 

[UCF11and1]

It is a freaking Christmas lunch. $25 is nothing. Most of the slave labor at cns company see it as the only time during the year when they can afford a steak ($15-17) + a coke ($3) + dessert ($5). They would still have to come up with the money for the tip.

 

[UCFBS]

It is a freaking Christmas lunch. $25 is nothing. Most of the slave labor at cns company see it as the only time during the year when they can afford a steak ($15-17) + a coke ($3) + dessert ($5). They would still have to come up with the money for the tip.

And the demonization of business owners continues.

Seriously, try this as an exercise next time ...

$25/head, but if you spend less, the difference will be donated to charity.

I'd be interested in how people react, especially if they complain about it.

Last time I checked, less than 2% of Americans have run a successful small business ever in their lives. Explains everything to me.

 

[UCFRogerz]

And the demonization of business owners continues.

Seriously, try this as an exercise next time ...

$25/head, but if you spend less, the difference will be donated to charity.

I'd be interested in how people react, especially if they complain about it.

Last time I checked, less than 2% of Americans have run a successful small business ever in their lives. Explains everything to me.

Interesting but that is still $25/head being spent, which is what the OP was bitching about.

Years ago, one of my former bosses to his team (me and a few other guys) to lunch, it might have been as a Christmas gift, I don't remember. No limits were imposed but one of the guys ordered like it was going out of style (app, steak entree (when everyone else was being modest), dessert, etc) and at some point proclaimed "if you're offering to take me out, I'm going to eat like a king" or something to that effect. He then proceeded to order a dessert and a coffee when everyone else was ready to leave. One of the most awkward dinner/lunch moments I've ever had.

 

[ucflee]

Company authorized $25/head to do a Christmas lunch. So they choose Longhorn to go. I'll be damned if they weren't colluding to spend every penny of that $25. Apps, lobster tail... you name it.

I fukcing hate it when people order things on other people's dime that they wouldn't buy with their own money. I'm sure our libtard posters see nothing wrong with this.

Christmas lunch? Did the non-Christians have a safe space to enjoy their $25.00 allotted meal?*

From a teambuilding perspective, you should be happy that they were 'colluding' to maximizes the funds they were given to work with. Besides, Christmas lunch is probably one of the only times they are taken out by the company so it is viewed as a special occasion. Of corse they aren't going to order the chicken tenders and bucket of Bud lite that they normally would get when they are lucky enough to have a few extra bucks and a coupon on kids eat free night. It is obvious that a low minimum wage, the evil 1%ers, and income disparity drove them to use the entire $25.* Get over it Uncle Scrooge.

edit to fix the effed up spell correcting touch keyboard nonsense.

 

[UCFBS]

Interesting but that is still $25/head being spent, which is what the OP was bitching about.

Years ago, one of my former bosses to his team (me and a few other guys) to lunch, it might have been as a Christmas gift, I don't remember. No limits were imposed but one of the guys ordered like it was going out of style (app, steak entree (when everyone else was being modest), dessert, etc) and at some point proclaimed "if you're offering to take me out, I'm going to eat like a king" or something to that effect. He then proceeded to order a dessert and a coffee when everyone else was ready to leave. One of the most awkward dinner/lunch moments I've ever had.

It's funny you bring this up. Because over the last 10 years, this is one (of about three) ways I size up people. I do this, even without approval, so when I don't even get to expense it, and especially if it's going to be subject to the IRS 50% rate (if I deduct at all).

It says a lot, although not everything (again, about 1 out of 3 factors) about what people want to get out of life ... and their job. To me, it's worth the cost of doing, and early, with any team you're going to be working with for some time.

 

[LittleMissKnight]

If you present it as "the company has allotted $25 a head for a holiday lunch", you're not including any information about it coming from your own pocket or that any leftover $ goes to charity or anything then it's logical to assume that the money has already been accounted for and it's a nice treat your company is giving you as a thanks for a year of hard work so why wouldn't someone think "oh cool, since this is a treat, I might as well take this opportunity to try a dish that's a little more expensive than I would be able to budget for a meal for myself".
It's kind of crappy that this is just a test for them and them taking a treat in the spirit in which they perceive it to be given (by which I mean they treat themselves to something they normally wouldn't) is somehow counted as a negative against them. I would not have trust or loyalty to a company that seems like even the nice things it does are just a test, that's a terrible way to build loyalty among employees.
That being said, if someone tries ordering beyond the set amount (so taking advantage of your generosity) or if they are told it's coming from your pocket and they make sure to order the most expensive thing on the menu, then sure judge them all you want, but that's so crappy to give someone a gift of sorts and then judge them because they enjoyed the gift to the maximum.

 

[UCFBS]

... It's kind of crappy that this is just a test for them

I cannot answer for the OP, but in my case ...

Everything is a "test" when you're a consultant working on contract. I'm not a permanent employee. I'm not an associate. I am a sh--faced, "all about the money," Consultant in their eyes.

I've been an employee. I've been treated well at times. I've also been treated like dirt. It all depends on the people, and the position. Usually I've been treated like dirt when I've been a longer employee than my manager.

I use it to "get to know them," but I do take note of how frugal they are, or not, with other people's money. It's only one factor, of three, I typically use.

and them taking a treat in the spirit in which they perceive it to be given (by which I mean they treat themselves to something they normally wouldn't) is somehow counted as a negative against them.

I don't consider anything "negative" or "positive." I only see it as a "factor." You can usually tell a lot about someone in how they spend, tip, etc...

In fact, tipping is the #1 thing women report as a key factor in a date ... so be careful of where you point that finger.

I would not have trust or loyalty to a company that seems like even the nice things it does are just a test, that's a terrible way to build loyalty among employees.

I'm not their employer in my case.

This is a "colleague" who is "sizing up" who he has to work with, at a client.

That being said, if someone tries ordering beyond the set amount (so taking advantage of your generosity) or if they are told it's coming from your pocket and they make sure to order the most expensive thing on the menu, then sure judge them all you want, but that's so crappy to give someone a gift of sorts and then judge them because they enjoyed the gift to the maximum.

Everything is judging in the world of consulting and contracting. I learned that long ago.

It's why I watch what I eat when I'm on anyone's dollar, and try to be as frugal as possible, within professional limits. As I joked long ago ... "I upgraded from the Motel 6 and Super 8s to the Candlewood Suites and Holiday Inn Expresses."

I also watch how I interact at the table, and how much I share with people. And most of all ...

It's very important to present yourself as the least judgmental, even if you evaluating them on their professional capability and considerations. That's exactly what I'm doing. It's why it never goes outside my mouth, only in my ears and eyes.​

I'm the last person to call for anyone's removal, and always the first person to give everyone extra chances. There have been few times I've asked someone to be removed, and in each case, when I say it ... it isn't questioned for reason. Why? Because I virtually never do so. I give everyone extra chances, and learn where their strengths are.

One thing I like about not being a lead or manager any more is that I don't have to make those calls. I've put my professional career on the line to vouch for people, and have paid dearly at times for giving them repeat chances. But in every case, I knew what I was getting myself into, because I used every moment with them to learn who they are.

I have no problem with people judging me, but anything they say won't be new to me. I'm a detail-oriented chatter box that really thinks differently than most people.

 

[MACHater02]

We split ours up by business unit. My unit, IT (~ 700 people) has done Tropicana field, Innisbrook Golf Resort, and The Coliseum (downtown St. Pete) the last few years. I never go and have no idea what it costs the company, but the people who go love it.

 

[UCFBS]

We split ours up by business unit. My unit, IT (~ 700 people) has done Tropicana field, Innisbrook Golf Resort, and The Coliseum (downtown St. Pete) the last few years. I never go and have no idea what it costs the company, but the people who go love it.

We scaled back after the 2008 recession, with no corporate funding of any holiday parties, and chose two (2) charities to feed people that year. It's continued every year since, nominations followed by company wide votes.

- https://www.redhat.com/en/about/blog/tis-the-season-to-celebrate-the-open-source-way

And it was an idea started by people within the company on Memo-list, and like most good ideas, it stuck.

- http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/11/b...-of-red-hat-on-merits-of-an-open-culture.html

 

[LittleMissKnight]

Everything is a "test" when you're a consultant working on contract. I'm not a permanent employee. I'm not an associate. I am a sh--faced, "all about the money," Consultant in their eyes.

I don't consider anything "negative" or "positive." I only see it as a "factor." You can usually tell a lot about someone in how they spend, tip, etc...

In fact, tipping is the #1 thing women report as a key factor in a date ... so be careful of where you point that finger.
.

1. The original sentiment, as I understood it, was about employees, not contract workers (correct me if I'm wrong). In which case it seems like bad management to keep your employees constantly worried that any "treat" is actually a test.

2. Of course you can tell a lot about someone with how they manage their money, but that's not what this was about, it was about an employee being told the company is treating them to a $25 lunch, and them taking it at face value and ordering $25 worth of food, and then being judged negatively for it. And the tone of the post was that they were being judged negatively because the title of the post is "Jesus my employees suck".

3. Where are you getting your statistics on what a woman looks for? I absolutely don't think how a person tips is the number one factor in how I asses a date. That's insane. And I'm pretty sure most women would agree with me.

 

[UCFBS]

1. The original sentiment, as I understood it, was about employees, not contract workers (correct me if I'm wrong). In which case it seems like bad management to keep your employees constantly worried that any "treat" is actually a test.

In your defense, I mixed the two by responding before you. So ... just to be clear ...
- The OP was complaining, and
- I was the one who introduced using something similar as a "test"

My apologies for any confusion and/or if I took something out-of-context.

But my point on giving people up to $25/head, while saying what they don't spend will go to a charity -- which they will select via nominations and by vote -- is still valid, and not really a "test."

2. Of course you can tell a lot about someone with how they manage their money, but that's not what this was about, it was about an employee being told the company is treating them to a $25 lunch, and them taking it at face value and ordering $25 worth of food, and then being judged negatively for it. And the tone of the post was that they were being judged negatively because the title of the post is "Jesus my employees suck".

3. Where are you getting your statistics on what a woman looks for? I absolutely don't think how a person tips is the number one factor in how I asses a date. That's insane. And I'm pretty sure most women would agree with me.

It's not, not at all. In fact, I agree with it. In many surveys over the years, one of the #1 things that can kill your chance in a relationship is how you tip.

And why is that?

It's more important than the place, the setting, the meal ... even the conversation to some (but not all). But universally, women (and a great number of men) see the "tip" as a relationship to how you treat the "worth" of someone else. After all, and maybe it's because I waited tables in my youth, but ...

Tips are the most direct income you can give someone in virtually all of capitalism.

It's literally you, the consumer, directly affecting someone's income, their worth ... no filters. If you get bad service ... do you leave the standard 15%? Or do you give them "nothing for nothing"? If you get great services, do you push it to 25%? 30%? Even more? Or do you leave the standard 15-20% that "they actually earned"?

It's one of those really "hidden factors" that really factor into a date ... one where it only gives you a "little bonus" if you get right, but can absolutely "veto" the evening at the end, if not.

That's why most rate it as the #1 impact, especially in the case of negative factor.

I.e., I hope you think that I was suggesting it was something about a "big tip" by which you thought "big money" and "rich" as the female consideration? Most women do when I first mention it ... until I explain this is what many studies have shown where guys "go wrong" when the rest of the date went so well. It's how you look at someone's "worth," in a simple, but powerful, moment.

And then most women remember that moment ...
And yes, it fits at least one of their dates, if not several, for most women.
It was the "veto."

BTW ... the "side lesson" for men in one survey was pick a cheaper restaurant than to pick an expensive restaurant, and try to "make it up" by leaving a small tip. That will kill it for a lot of women.

 

[LittleMissKnight]

In your defense, I mixed the two by responding before you. So ... just to be clear ...
- The OP was complaining, and
- I was the one who introduced using something similar as a "test"

My apologies for any confusion and/or if I took something out-of-context.

But my point on giving people up to $25/head, while saying what they don't spend will go to a charity -- which they will select via nominations and by vote -- is still valid, and not really a "test."



It's not, not at all. In fact, I agree with it. In many surveys over the years, one of the #1 things that can kill your chance in a relationship is how you tip.

And why is that?

It's more important than the place, the setting, the meal ... even the conversation to some (but not all). But universally, women (and a great number of men) see the "tip" as a relationship to how you treat the "worth" of someone else. After all, and maybe it's because I waited tables in my youth, but ...

Tips are the most direct income you can give someone in virtually all of capitalism.

It's literally you, the consumer, directly affecting someone's income, their worth ... no filters. If you get bad service ... do you leave the standard 15%? Or do you give them "nothing for nothing"? If you get great services, do you push it to 25%? 30%? Even more? Or do you leave the standard 15-20% that "they actually earned"?

It's one of those really "hidden factors" that really factor into a date ... one where it only gives you a "little bonus" if you get right, but can absolutely "veto" the evening at the end, if not.

That's why most rate it as the #1 impact, especially in the case of negative factor.

I.e., I hope you think that I was suggesting it was something about a "big tip" by which you thought "big money" and "rich" as the female consideration? Most women do when I first mention it ... until I explain this is what many studies have shown where guys "go wrong" when the rest of the date went so well. It's how you look at someone's "worth," in a simple, but powerful, moment.

And then most women remember that moment ...
And yes, it fits at least one of their dates, if not several, for most women.
It was the "veto."

BTW ... the "side lesson" for men in one survey was pick a cheaper restaurant than to pick an expensive restaurant, and try to "make it up" by leaving a small tip. That will kill it for a lot of women.

I'm about to go on vacation in 1.5 hours so while I could craft a reply, it's honestly not worth both our energies because I just realized we just have different opinions on how big of a deciding factor how you tip on a date can be. So on that note, Happy Holidays lol

 

[UCFBS]

I'm about to go on vacation in 1.5 hours so while I could craft a reply, it's honestly not worth both our energies because I just realized we just have different opinions on how big of a deciding factor how you tip on a date can be. So on that note, Happy Holidays lol

So if he leaves nothing for bad service, or 15% for really good service ... makes no difference?

 

[LittleMissKnight]

So if he leaves nothing for bad service, or 15% for really good service ... makes no difference?

I don't peek on a first date at the tip because that just seems weird. I'd rather see how we get along, the attraction, etc. Yes, if he acts like a douche to the servers that's a problem but I can't think of a bad date where it was in just one instance that turned me off to the person. If they are arrogant jerks to the servers, that personality also shows itself in other ways. Anyway, we aren't going to agree on that and to the main point- I still think that weird "test" of your employees is kinda crappy. Like, here's a gift of a pie, but if you take it without then leaving me a slice I'm going to judge you.