Jesus my employees suck

[UCFBS]

I don't peek on a first date at the tip because that just seems weird. I'd rather see how we get along, the attraction, etc. Yes, if he acts like a douche to the servers that's a problem but I can't think of a bad date where it was in just one instance that turned me off to the person. If they are arrogant jerks to the servers, that personality also shows itself in other ways.

Exactly. It turns up in the tip in nearly all cases, and women do peek at times. Not to know how much a guy was "cheap" (or not), but to ensure the server was "adequately taken care of."

Anyway, we aren't going to agree on that and to the main point- I still think that weird "test" of your employees is kinda crappy.

Neither he nor I said "test" the employee.

I said I "factor" in my client's associates on how much they will take a "free meal/event," especially since I'm post-sales and don't get expense accounts. So many times I'm justifying the "working lunch/dinner" or otherwise "writing it off" (at only 50% tax deduction) or even "eating it whole."

If you want to say that's a "test," that's fine ... but they are not my employees.

Like, here's a gift of a pie, but if you it without then leaving me a slice I'm going to judge you.

Actually, yes, that's a great example.

If there is some left, because they haven't ate the whole thing on their own (like ordering a main course for under $25/person), the "considerate" thing to do would be to offer a portion of the remainder ... rather than take it home, and not offer me any, after I bought it.

It's not that I didn't want to buy it, or that I bought it as "a test." It just tells me how much I will be considered, when I do something for them ... in their interest. I've had enough tire tracks on my back over the years for doing the right thing, by people who didn't consider me. I like to know who I'm dealing with when I'm new to a client, and it's going to be several months.

Am I part of the team? Or just a sh--faced, "take the money and run," consultant?

 

[Good Knight Sweetheart]

In fact, tipping is the #1 thing women report as a key factor in a date ... so be careful of where you point that finger.
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Where are you getting that this is the #1 thing? I've never heard any of my friends say that they didn't like their date because he didn't tip well. And I've known way more single women than you.
To know whether or not he tipped well, you would have to look at the bill as he signed it. Not easy to do with someone sitting across from you. And looking at it while he signs it gives off the vibe that you're into his money, so most women don't do that.
Way more important than the tipping is how they treat the wait staff. I don't care if the guy gives 30% tip, if he's rude or demeaning to the staff.

I would love to know where this article is that says that tipping is the #1 thing women think is a key factor in a date. Not buying it.

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[UCFBS]

Where are you getting that this is the #1 thing? I've never heard any of my friends say that they didn't like their date because he didn't tip well. And I've known way more single women than you.

Ummm, I travel and eat out ... a lot ... as a consultant, and have for nearly 15 years straight. I deal with hundreds of new people a week, usually at least several dozens at lunches and dinners, in a single week.

Not the same "friends" over and over that may think like me. And that's ignoring my wife, who is an extension of everything of what I know. So do not assume such.

To know whether or not he tipped well, you would have to look at the bill as he signed it. Not easy to do with someone sitting across from you. And looking at it while he signs it gives off the vibe that you're into his money, so most women don't do that.

You mean acting like you're going to the bathroom as you're leaving, but then going back to see if he left enough tip for the waiter, just to the waiter is well compensated (not really to judge him) is not something you've ever heard someone do?

Ladies ... yes, women don't always look. But you know you wonder. Especially if he's treated the waiter with high expectations, and the waiter has had to put up with him, and earned it.

Way more important than the tipping is how they treat the wait staff. I don't care if the guy gives 30% tip, if he's rude or demeaning to the staff.

The two are directly related. Especially if and when the woman doesn't get a look at the tip.

But there are other ways.

Ergo, in the car, "Well, I hope you left him a decent tip. After all, you used him for entertainment." Or something similarly sly. The poor tip is the ultimate "veto" of the date.

I would love to know where this article is that says that tipping is the #1 thing women think is a key factor in a date. Not buying it.

It's in most articles on dating, in general, especially for those of us who are in customer-facing, travel-heavy roles.

Again ... it's not that women give men a "bonus" for a good tip. That would be about money. Women are not that shallow, far from it! But that's what you guys keep trying to "paint" me as saying.

It's just that a bad tip is a big "veto", often #1, on what the woman thinks of how the man sizes up people's "worth." Because it's not about money, but about someone's ability to eat, directly. Let's face it, a crappy tip would make you think less of someone, women (of men) overwhelmingly more than men (of women).

But that's the problem. You women get so "defensive" if you think we're saying it's about money. It's not about money at all.

It's applicable to business as well ... almost an universally agreed, but heavily overlooked, reality. The fact that many of you ladies are protesting, without understanding my point, kinda makes it. Google away, you'll find what you're looking for ... either the exact point I've been making, or trying to discredit it, by arguing about "money."

Heck ... the whole thread is about people disagreeing with and not thinking of employers too, in denial over what is a "consideration" and "getting defensive."

 

[Good Knight Sweetheart]

Ummm, I travel and eat out ... a lot ... as a consultant, and have for nearly 15 years straight. I deal with hundreds of new people a week, usually at least several dozens at lunches and dinners, in a single week.

Not the same "friends" over and over that may think like me. And that's ignoring my wife, who is an extension of everything of what I know. So do not assume such.

You mean acting like you're going to the bathroom as you're leaving, but then going back to see if he left enough tip for the waiter, just to the waiter is well compensated (not really to judge him) is not something you've ever heard someone do?

Ladies ... yes, women don't always look. But you know you wonder. Especially if he's treated the waiter with high expectations, and the waiter has had to put up with him, and earned it.

The two are directly related. Especially if and when the woman doesn't get a look at the tip.

But there are other ways.

Ergo, in the car, "Well, I hope you left him a decent tip. After all, you used him for entertainment." Or something similarly sly. The poor tip is the ultimate "veto" of the date.

It's in most articles on dating, in general, especially for those of us who are in customer-facing, travel-heavy roles.

Again ... it's not that women give men a "bonus" for a good tip. That would be about money. Women are not that shallow, far from it! But that's what you guys keep trying to "paint" me as saying.

It's just that a bad tip is a big "veto", often #1, on what the woman thinks of how the man sizes up people's "worth." Because it's not about money, but about someone's ability to eat, directly. Let's face it, a crappy tip would make you think less of someone, women (of men) overwhelmingly more than men (of women).

But that's the problem. You women get so "defensive" if you think we're saying it's about money. It's not about money at all.

It's applicable to business as well ... almost an universally agreed, but heavily overlooked, reality. The fact that many of you ladies are protesting, without understanding my point, kinda makes it. Google away, you'll find what you're looking for ... either the exact point I've been making, or trying to discredit it, by arguing about "money."

Heck ... the whole thread is about people disagreeing with and not thinking of employers too, in denial over what is a "consideration" and "getting defensive."

UCFBS,
Your "articles" are offset by my knowledge from talking to hundreds of actual women over my lifetime. Humans. Real people. Not observing some random interactions.
Problem with your argument is that I am a real human female who has had hundreds of real human female friends over my lifetime. And not one of them has commented about the money tip their date has left, as being their #1 factor.

You're full of crap.

 

[ucflee]

How one treats the waiter/waitress reflects better on a person than exactly how much is left on the tip line as long as it is at least the standard amount. I have long been out of the dating scene but if I caught some lady checking the tip line that would likely be the last time I took her anywhere.

 

[Good Knight Sweetheart]

How one treats the waiter/waitress reflects better on a person than exactly how much is left on the tip line as long as it is at least the standard amount. I have long been out of the dating scene but if I caught some lady checking the tip line that would likely be the last time I took her anywhere.

Exactly.

 

[UCFBS]

Exactly.

Thank you for utterly missing my entire point!

 

[Good Knight Sweetheart]

Thank you for utterly missing my entire point!

You said "In fact, tipping is the #1 thing women report as a key factor in a date".

And several of us disagree.

Maybe you're missing your own point.

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[cnsaguy]

What's the proper tip on $25?

 

[ucflee]

What's the proper tip on $25?

Depends on the circumstances but I for me, I would say NLT a five spot or 2 bucks a head if it is for more than 2 people.

 

[cnsaguy]

 

[ucflee]

Really Ernie? too much or too little? If I get a beer and a glass of wine and tip the bartender 5 bucks am I being a tightwad or tipping too much? How about at the Townhouse? Three people can probably get breakfast for 25 bucks. Everyone has their coffee filled a few times ... 2 bucks a head is too much or too little. Let me know because I don't want to offend your Seasame Street sensibilities.

A $300 tab at Mortons? How about it? What is the right amount Ernie?

 

[cnsaguy]

 

[ucflee]

So, OP, aside from BS's nonsensical ramblings, let us know? Was that gracious 25 bucks a head you "treated" your employees to while judging them supposed to include the tip ? Did I miss the *

 

[UCF11and1]

Told you. They had to order something priced between $15 and $17, a coke $3 and $4 tip = $22-$24.
If they wanted a beer $6-$7, they'd have to order something in the $12 -$13 range (a sandwich).

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

So glad I have the lunatic on ignore. What a shitty human being.

 

[UCF11and1]

I guess the employees should also stop taking their full paycheck: we hired for $30,000/year but you are supossed to take only $29,000 and return the rest.

 

[ucflee]

Told you. They had to order something priced between $15 and $17, a coke $3 and $4 tip = $22-$24.
If they wanted a beer $6-$7, they'd have to order something in the $12 -$13 range (a sandwich).

I get what happened now. OP probably communicates with his team as effective as he did in the first post. He acted like the man for the big time 25 dollar tab and then was pissed when the check came and he got stuck holding the bag for the automatic 18% tip for a party of 6 or more. Poor communication, poor leadership, probably a crappy work environment.

 

[cnsaguy]

Thinking that Joe has the right idea

 

[UCFBS]

I guess the employees should also stop taking their full paycheck: we hired for $30,000/year but you are supossed to take only $29,000 and return the rest.

Sigh ... once again, demonization of the employer, utterly missing the point of the OP. I can see it, even if I don't agree with everything, I see it. And then we get these non-sense type responses.

Employees in are in denial (could recommend many books), women are in denial (Men on Strike is a good, recent read), etc... we've pretty much screwed our future with the rampant, self re-enforcing attitudes today.

I play devil's advocate a lot, because people always polarize and sensationalize things into absolutes. It's funny how a few people who called me a nuthugger are starting to call me too much of a Frost optimist. I guess I live well outside the box.

 

[NonaKnight]

@UCFBS is either super paranoid or has some very odd friends! I guess probably both.
Women go back to take a peek at the tip that their date left?? Wtf?
This thread had some potential.

 

[UCFBS]

@UCFBS is either super paranoid or has some very odd friends! I guess probably both.
Women go back to take a peek at the tip that their date left?? Wtf?

^ Pretty much a textbook, hallmark misquote, that defines me on this board. It's not what I say, but what 10 other people say what I said. And the rest is history ... along with plenty of denial.

This thread had some potential.

What potential?! To sit around and bitch about the OP and capitalism in general?

Society is what we make it. Beat downs, smack downs, one-liner insults, knee-jerk reactions ... and always on the lookout for a single person to blame for what most others do.

just like the OP weathered.

 

[NonaKnight]

You mean acting like you're going to the bathroom as you're leaving, but then going back to see if he left enough tip for the waiter, just to the waiter is well compensated (not really to judge him) is not something you've ever heard someone do?

Um, misquote?

 

[ed4ucf]

Company authorized $25/head to do a Christmas lunch. So they choose Longhorn to go. I'll be damned if they weren't colluding to spend every penny of that $25. Apps, lobster tail... you name it.

I fukcing hate it when people order things on other people's dime that they wouldn't buy with their own money. I'm sure our libtard posters see nothing wrong with this.

Mr CNSA, Carl Icahn on line 1.

 

[UCFBS]

Um, misquote?

Yep. Not the same as ...

'Women go back to take a peek at the tip that their date left?? Wtf?'​

The latter quote is accurate. This former one is demonizing.

Furthermore, that was just one example. I also said how a waiter is treated is often directly related to the tip left. You ladies went down this rabbit hole, and got tunnelvision on one example. I cannot do anything about that.

But that's what happens when you ladies "knee jerk" when you think it's about money.

 

[ucflee]

Thinking that Joe has the right idea

I must have hit pretty close to home there. Maybe I am wrong but I doubt Joe was posting about me.

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

I must have hit pretty close to home there. Maybe I am wrong but I doubt Joe was posting about me.

I'm not gonna disparage cnsaguy since he's the only other Cowboy fan on here and he's always been cool with me. But no, I wasn't posting about you.

 

[UCFKnight85]

I've never seen someone so committed to typing tons of stuff that everyone intends to ignore anyways.

 

[UCFBS]

I've never seen someone so committed to typing tons of stuff that everyone intends to ignore anyways.

Detail comes in handy months later.

Had a manager bitch about it, until it saved his bacon 6 months later on one item. Then he quickly learned it was there for a reason, especially when I predicted everything that was going to go wrong. Things that cannot just be covered in the executive summary, or worse yet -- just like here -- ignoring the detail and assuming what I said is what leads to the problem.

Unfortunately, in the long-term, it meant I started crossing his decisions by year 2.

And then had full documentation. When he tried to misrepresent something to a VP, the VP took the time to read my detail, and pointed out where my manager had everything wrong. A lot of times, people read an executive summary, and make assumptions, based on past experiences, and not enough expertise with a concept I was trying to convey (but one could learn from reading the full detail).

That division eventually imploded, and was taken over by another (one I recommended too, even though I was gone).

 

[fabknight]

Detail comes in handy months later.

Had a manager bitch about it, until it saved his bacon 6 months later on one item. Then he quickly learned it was there for a reason, especially when I predicted everything that was going to go wrong. Things that cannot just be covered in the executive summary, or worse yet -- just like here -- ignoring the detail and assuming what I said is what leads to the problem.

Unfortunately, in the long-term, it meant I started crossing his decisions by year 2.

And then had full documentation. When he tried to misrepresent something to a VP, the VP took the time to read my detail, and pointed out where my manager had everything wrong. A lot of times, people read an executive summary, and make assumptions, based on past experiences, and not enough expertise with a concept I was trying to convey (but one could learn from reading the full detail).

That division eventually imploded, and was taken over by another (one I recommended too, even though I was gone).

Gosh! You're so amazing!!

 

[UCFBS]

Gosh! You're so amazing!!

Love you too.

I'm fine with people complaining. Wouldn't be the first time. People can either choose to take issue with someone, or they can choose to align themselves with their strengths, for when they are needed.

People tend to want to complain in social forums. I get that. Unfortunately, it's cost some people I honestly tried to help in my professional career. That I never like to see.

It helps no one.

 

[cnsaguy]

This thread is like herpes

 

[Bob the Citronaut]

That's what you get for using the Lord's name in vein.

 

[UCFBS]

This thread is like herpes

And I am the cause.

That's what you get for using the Lord's name in vein.

Next, we draw him poorly and call him Muhammad.

 

[Good Knight Sweetheart]

That's what you get for using the Lord's name in vein.

Intravenously?

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[OmniKnight]

We split ours up by business unit. My unit, IT (~ 700 people) has done Tropicana field, Innisbrook Golf Resort, and The Coliseum (downtown St. Pete) the last few years. I never go and have no idea what it costs the company, but the people who go love it.

There's no way you're allowed to work in technology

Are you basically the patch cable plugger?