Very good tackler 
Could be one of those defensive back/linebacker combo guys...
Could be one of those defensive back/linebacker combo guys...Latest Recruit
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He's from GA. I thought the new staff was only going to get kids from FL to stroke the ego of people on the message boards? Offers from GA State and Elon....awesome!
Nice try. GA was not included in the new recruiting domination we were to expect. I like the kid, regardless, and believe UCF continue to recruit GA hard. But that's not what this board was singing just a couple of months ago.
Don't worry we will not have any more successful backs such as Gatorade players of the year from NY who are successful backs in the NFL. But it does appear at first that Frost is focusing on FL recruits first which is not a bad thing necessarily as long as a class is judged by its talent and not by its geography.
It was. GA is always included. Troy Walters first trip when hired was to GA. The board wanted more southern kids including FL instead of spending so much travel time recruiting NY, PA, VA, NJ.
There will always be diamonds in the rough. How many other players followed that NFL successful NFL back to UCF? Local recruiting makes future recruiting easier no matter who the coach is. It also helps attendance because those players bring a following from their high schools.
they must see something in him to give him such an early offer. Let's see how many offers he has 2 months before Signing Day so the usual characters will eat crow
Talent is talent no matter where it comes from. Nothing wrong with signing talent from out of state. Period. Frost's first QB comes from Hawaii. Winning is the best recruiting tool there is. Local is good, but winning is better.
Frost in a very short period of time still got majority Florida players. The out of State players came from mostly southern/western States that produces good Football talent like Texas & California. No Troy Greene favor/nepotism offers from the same Long Island neighborhood when the Program was on schollie reductions, that type of sloppiness is what led to this recent 0-12 season
Days of having more out-of-state vs. in-state recruits is over. However, we got Hawaii, California, etc. action going on now in addition to GA.
Also, I like the mostly younger staff getting hands on like Frost dropping dimes with receivers the other day since we're really talking about differences in drawing recruits.
One of my most favorite memories of GOL is when he practiced with LBs for Fiesta Bowl. Plummer shared how he was surprised how fast GOL was reacting to offensive plays and enjoyed that time tremendously. It showed up on game day. Let's hope the same for this season.
in addition to GA.Also, I like the mostly younger staff getting hands on like Frost dropping dimes with receivers the other day since we're really talking about differences in drawing recruits.
One of my most favorite memories of GOL is when he practiced with LBs for Fiesta Bowl. Plummer shared how he was surprised how fast GOL was reacting to offensive plays and enjoyed that time tremendously. It showed up on game day. Let's hope the same for this season.
The QB from Hawaii came because of Frost's contacts and short recruiting season. There is really no reason to make flying across the world a common occurrence. Most people had an issue of recruiting out of region. There is only so much time to recruit and everybody has the same amount of it, no reason to waste it on a plane or at an airport.
The Hawaii QB was from where Frost's contacts are strong, just as GOL's recruits came from where he was strong, mostly Georgia. But there were many recruiting classes where there were Florida players. I think that Frost will get the players wherever he can get them. Obviously running a Oregon style offense in Florida where nobody else is doing it will allow him better selection in Florida than a pro-style offense where you compete with bigger local programs as well as the Alabamas and Michigans of the world. I believe this is why GOL's recruiting base was much wider. But I doubt he turns away a chance at a West Coast guy who is superior than a local kid.
I think the problem was that GOL didn't develop the strong ties here so he had to depend on GA and NY.
Yes and nobody knows if those Florida recruits are worth anything at the moment. We will see how they pan out in the coming years. The Majority of GOL recruits were from southern states as well. We had three recruits from NY. 2 of them were standout players at UCF. Troy Greene was a buddy thing but I expect that happens at most programs. You have to admit that Murray and Stanback were both good recruits and standout players for UCF. Too bad Stanback could not lay off the weed. So none of the Long Island funny business led to any of last year's issues. Last year's issues cannot be put down to that simple a process. To do so will ignore the underlying problem which were based upon GOL's lack of control and interest in the program. For that I blame him and Hitt.
That probably has some truth to it, but is an over-simplification of recruiting. If you listen or read most of the new recruits interviews you will see that UCF was always on their radar; that the Fiesta Bowl was a big deal and that the 0-12 was no big deal as it was just one year after many years if success. But If you look at who UCF was recruiting under GOL it was a very difficult sell to get top Florida recruits to go to UCF as opposed to UM, UF and FSU. Frost running a different system brings something different to UCF and is able to attract different recruits who might want to stay locally but don't fit in at those programs. That is one of the reasons he was such a great hire for UCF.
that's part of it but not the only reason. Taggart at USF recruited well from the get go and he came in with a Pro Style West Coast offense his first few seasons. It's having a staff that understands today's recruits, many of the practices from the last staff were antiquated
GOL was also stuck on height and weight requirements. More than just PRO style, he wanted to play physical / gorilla (sumo wrestler) style football and didn't realize that schools like USF and FAU proved that speed can run circles around your gorillas (sumo wrestlers) so it was more than just the offensive set. Too often, we were embarrassed by smaller schools with speed (kids from Florida). Then UCF fans started asking more and more "why aren't we recruiting these local players?" Without Kevin Smith, Blake Bortles and Taafe; GOL's winning record would have been much worse because he was no offensive genius. He was a good administrator and DC.
I agree with all of this. Everybody is familiar with Oregon's system. I wonder how long it will take before everyone is running it.
I thought Frost was the only coach on the planet that actually interacts with players in drills/practiceDays of having more out-of-state vs. in-state recruits is over. However, we got Hawaii, California, etc. action going on now
Also, I like the mostly younger staff getting hands on like Frost dropping dimes with receivers the other day since we're really talking about differences in drawing recruits.
One of my most favorite memories of GOL is when he practiced with LBs for Fiesta Bowl. Plummer shared how he was surprised how fast GOL was reacting to offensive plays and enjoyed that time tremendously. It showed up on game day. Let's hope the same for this season.
Of those three teams, which is the only one that has won multiple conference titles and a BCS bowl game? Like all good coaches can do, it's more about kids buying in than whatever system you run. GOL was able to get the kids to buy in...maybe not every year but when they bought in we did very well. Frost harps on this all the time as well and if he recruits at or better than what we have recently done for the last 5 yrs or so and the kids buy in we will become very successful again. Houston's coach mentioned "buy in" in most interviews I saw with him.
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Defense might have a little bit to do with our past success as well.
That's like saying Jimbo Fisher and Nick Saban are only successful because their lineups are riddled with 4 and 5 star players. They still have to coach the kids (as a staff) and get the kids to buy in. Coaches get the accolades when things go well and the blame when things go bad. That's the way it has always been. It's up to them to oversee the players and coaches...as a unit. You can not cherry pick one player or coach as solely responsible for a programs success.
Don't worry, every program has a set of measurables they are looking for. I worked with a guy whose kid walked on at FSU and the kid said they wouldn't even look at kids (like him...who was the orange county defensive player of the year) if you didn't meet their measurables. Now, FSU can be a bit pickier but I doubt you'd find any program that doesn't look at certain, height, weight and speed when considering an offervto a kid. The margins used just get bigger as the program gets worse because they don't have a choice but to do so.
I was just being a smart@ss. My guess is he will have many other offers when it is all said and done. He's only a Junior (until the fall). He's got good size for a safety. Personally, I don't care what is employed to make us successful. The judgement comes later on record and hardware. His staff needs to do whatever they feel they need to do to do to be successful.
I think I'll take a South or Central Florida kid that can stay out of trouble anytime over anywhere else in the nation. Time and time again these high school kids have had a higher percentage of success at UCF and other colleges more than any other region. It's nice to find a "Diamond in the rough" from another state, but you can't consistently build a program based on a hunch or crapshoot. The HS football that is played in Florida, Texas, Georgia and some parts of Cali and even Penn is just superior to the other parts of the country. It takes guys like LM and Stanback who had to be literally the best players in NY to have college success. Still ultimately Stanback did very little for this program (1 year) and LM was recruited by a few schools as a linebacker. I credit GOL for his success. Who else has really helped this school from NY? We have had a huge amount of busts from other states. Remember Leilon Willingham?? Ultimate LB athlete on paper, but played against crap teams in Colorado. Howabout Demarcus Smith???
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But Taggart has not really done anything special since he has been at USF. They have gotten better but have not come close to a title. Ron Zook was one of the best recruiters Florida ever had, but he could not win games. You have to get them, but more importantly you have to coach them up. GOL was very good at coaching them up. There was no luck, he could coach up diamonds in the rough. In the end he just did not want to do it anymore.
All head coach's careers are built on the assistants. The better the program the better the assistants. The HC cannot be everywhere and do everything,
This is a ridiculous statement
Who hired Taafe and who recruited Bortles and Smith and who coached them up? Tell me what smaller schools with speed embarrassed us? Without Chad Morris or Tony Elliott Clemson coach Dabo Swinny has a much worse record too. Does that make him a bad coach? Without Taj Boyd they don't win as many games too. Come on. It is actually a credit to GOL that he hired a good OC. That is what he is supposed to do.
We may have lost a game or two here and there that we should not have but that is every program. Tell me how the "fastest program on earth" Baylor embarrassed UCF. This is just cherry picking to try and make a point. GOL ran a certain type of program. When he was engaged he was successful. He was not always consistent but he was more successful than any of the schools that "embarrassed us" with their speed. Outside of Boise UCF is arguably the most successful G5 program over the last 10 years, But as we have seen every most program needs a change of direction to keep it from getting stale. UCF needed that change.
And your point is??? He hired them, right? Who else wanted Taffe at the time? If Taffe was a failure we would just hear complaining about how GOL hired this old washed up OC and how we need new, younger blood that is innovative and can relate to players better.
And the buck stops with the boss. Bad decisions by head coach last year to let Key run offense. Also, without Kevin Smith our OC back then had nothing to offer. Remember those three off tackle run plays they would call every series. Smith made the first downs often on effort.
Oh, how we can forget the pain of watching this crap with a few good wins...
Oh, how we can forget the pain of watching this crap with a few good wins...
The point is that a couple brilliant offensive minds save GOLs bacon. He was a below average coach without them.
He hired dozens of guys over he is career. His career was specifically built on those two men.
Yes it was pure misery watching UCF play in it first ever championship game and first ever bowl game in 2005 and then its first championship win and second bowl game in 2007 after watching UCF futility for more than 20 years. Oh the horror!!!
the spin continues. In Macro terms it wasn't a very entertaining product outside of the Bortles seasons, a .500 coach w significant resource advantages over his conference peers
^ a bit of hyperbole but that's the thought of most casual fans that have left and caused attendance to plateau or decline at BHNS the last several years
^ a bit of hyperbole but that's the thought of most casual fans that have left and caused attendance to plateau or decline at BHNS the last several years
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