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Mass Shooting in San Bernadino

At a center for people with developmental disabilities? What a strange target.
 
Probably Planned Parenthood employees that were bored with only killing babies so they had to move up the food chain for more excitement.
 
Riverside police dispatchers have broadcast a general advisory that the suspects involved in the shootings in San Bernardino may have fled in a black GMC Yukon, heading northbound on Waterman Avenue, roughly 40 minutes ago.

The broadcast indicated there were unconfirmed reports the suspects were male and of Middle Eastern origin, “armed with AK-47s and wearing body armor.”
 
Saddest words I heard today.
3 shooters? "That is not the typical mass shooting."
How do we have "a Typical Mass Shooting" in our vocabulary? That is what makes me extraordinarily perturbed!
 
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Another sad day. Seems like this was planned out for some time. It will be interesting to see what if authorities can find anything that set them off.
 
It was a Muslim man and wife that were recently radicalized according to the authorities.

Of course, the lefties like chemmie are crying today since their jump to blame this on white people who are shooting up Planned Parenthood turned out to be 100% false.
 
Can we call this terrorism yet? I mean the media immediately called the planned parenthood shooting terrorism, but are hesitant to call this shooting such.
 
Can we call this terrorism yet? I mean the media immediately called the planned parenthood shooting terrorism, but are hesitant to call this shooting such.

IT'S WORK PLACE VIOLENCE!!!! You're not supposed to say that word!!!

Just because someone is Muslim and of Middle Eastern descent and murders a dozen people, it does not make them radical terrorists. Stop being such a racist.
 
Still trying to figure out how this even happened. I thought assault weapons, high capacity bullet clips, and killing people was illegal in a liberal and progressive state.
 
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12 pipe bombs were found in the terrorists' house. And tools to make dozens more.

We must make it illegal to create IEDs. Tell Congress to act.
 
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http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/02/europe/syria-turkey-russia-warplane-tensions/

https://www.rt.com/news/324263-russia-briefing-isis-funding/
 
I think the 100,000,000 gun owners in this country that don't shoot people is a pretty good sample size.


Well actually, for a liberal 1 event is enough to make a law. 1 school shooting- get rid of guns SO, 1 guy with a gun and 60 years of peace should be sufficient evidence for a liberal. (yes this only makes sense to liberals. I'll go with the other sample size)
 
I really wish they would shut the eff up about more than one mass shooting per day. What a load of crap. Half of the shooting they throw into that statistic did not result in serious bodily injury or death and a few incidents that involve accident discharges were more than one person was injured are included.
 
What is your proposed set of laws that would prevent the next instance of this?
 
To prevent this?
I think Climate Change is to blame.. So Give Guns to Polar Bears..

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They may not prevent this..
But here are a few ideas..

1. Do not let people on the terror watch list purchase weapons..
2. Lower amount of Bullets in Magazines.
3. Our Leader must realize, we are at war with Terror from Islamic Extremists. Yes not all Muslims, but the 6 to 8% that support the idea of killing infidels. Those that also sadly run many of the countries that are both Enemies of the United States, and at the same time, our "Allies" in the Region..

Not necessarily for this shooting but others:

4. Like a Driver's license, make Gun License's including Gun Safety classes,
5. If someone consider's you off the wall crazy, You may not be detained, but you may have to see a Psychologist, or Psychiatrist to approve of you Gun License being reinstated..

This is the fact not many are willing to report, is that 13 to 17% of Syrian Refugees Support ISIS/ISIL/Daesh.
So if you bring in say only 20,000.. That is over 2,500 that would support the Terror Group we are fighting..
Best of luck with that Vetting Process..
****In our Country our vetting process approved Sarah Palin for VP.. That is all I have to say...................
 
They may not prevent this..
But here are a few ideas..

1. Do not let people on the terror watch list purchase weapons..
2. Lower amount of Bullets in Magazines.
3. Our Leader must realize, we are at war with Terror from Islamic Extremists. Yes not all Muslims, but the 6 to 8% that support the idea of killing infidels. Those that also sadly run many of the countries that are both Enemies of the United States, and at the same time, our "Allies" in the Region..

Not necessarily for this shooting but others:

4. Like a Driver's license, make Gun License's including Gun Safety classes,
5. If someone consider's you off the wall crazy, You may not be detained, but you may have to see a Psychologist, or Psychiatrist to approve of you Gun License being reinstated..

This is the fact not many are willing to report, is that 13 to 17% of Syrian Refugees Support ISIS/ISIL/Daesh.
So if you bring in say only 20,000.. That is over 2,500 that would support the Terror Group we are fighting..
Best of luck with that Vetting Process..
****In our Country our vetting process approved Sarah Palin for VP.. That is all I have to say...................
Thank you for the thought out response.

1. This sounds great except that we don't have the Intel assets anymore to make the watch list worthwhile. The female in the San Bernardino assault put in a non-existent address on her visa application and no one caught it. You're not going to catch the homegrown with this nor are you going to catch anyone who is off the radar. Its false security. Not to mention that there are people who are erroneously on that list and the government couldn't care less.

2. This will simply tip the scales in favor of the guy planning the assault. Most people who carry only have what's in the weapon. Most of these shooters have multiple weapons with multiple magazines. They replace the magazines at will because they know no one else is armed. Because they aren't going about their normal lives, they can arm up as much as they want. Also, unlike in the movies, one or two or 6 shots don't always put down an attacker. Assuming that you even connect with all of them.

3. Good points.

4. Not against this in principle but you're going to get a large group screaming racism because you are limiting access to constitutionally protected self defense to those who can pay for the license. Also, once you have a license system, the requirements to get the license will stiffen repeatedly. Look at the concealed license in cities such as Chicago for proof of that.

5. I think we can all agree on this point.

Also agree about ISIS.

Also want to add that we installed a first term Senator with no domestic policy, no governing, and no foreign policy experience into the Presidency. Palin was a sacrificial lamb anyways so I'm not really sure why anyone still brings her up seriously.
 
They may not prevent this..
But here are a few ideas..

1. Do not let people on the terror watch list purchase weapons..
2. Lower amount of Bullets in Magazines.
3. Our Leader must realize, we are at war with Terror from Islamic Extremists. Yes not all Muslims, but the 6 to 8% that support the idea of killing infidels. Those that also sadly run many of the countries that are both Enemies of the United States, and at the same time, our "Allies" in the Region..

Not necessarily for this shooting but others:

4. Like a Driver's license, make Gun License's including Gun Safety classes,
5. If someone consider's you off the wall crazy, You may not be detained, but you may have to see a Psychologist, or Psychiatrist to approve of you Gun License being reinstated..

This is the fact not many are willing to report, is that 13 to 17% of Syrian Refugees Support ISIS/ISIL/Daesh.
So if you bring in say only 20,000.. That is over 2,500 that would support the Terror Group we are fighting..
Best of luck with that Vetting Process..
****In our Country our vetting process approved Sarah Palin for VP.. That is all I have to say...................

1) How many perps of the mass shootings that occurred in the last 10 years would have ended up on this watch list?
2) Killers will just pack extra bullets with them.
3) True, but knowing this won't solve the mass shooting issues in this country.
4) Not sure how a gun safety class is going to keep people from killing other people on purpose.
5) Who gets to determine if someone is "off the wall crazy"? And given how great this country's mental health system is, how do get someone help without having to Baker Act them? People without insurance don't get help. And you cannot force someone to use their insurance's EAP plan.

Based on the arsenal in the San B's perps case, without those guns they would have just blown up people and places.

And let's not forget that one of the worst mass murders in this country's history (1995) was not done with guns. It was done with a bomb.

While I'm not an advocate of guns, here's the situation: guns are not the problem. People are the problem. Specifically, law-breaking people are the problem.

So, what is the solution? Well, there isn't a "one solution fits all" answer. For starters, yes....we NEED to expand the ability to help people with mental health issues. That unhappy person who isn't coping with their situation needs to be able to get help without huge bills or societal disapproval keeping them from assistance.
Do we need to keep certain people from getting access to such weapons? Sure. Certain people. Not all people. Making a bunch of laws isn't the answer....lawbreakers don't care. Drivers are required to have a driver's license and insurance, yet about 20% of drivers don't.

It's going to take numerous solutions for this complicated problem. Make a list of all mass shootings in the last 30 years, find the common denominators (p.s. it isn't "they used a gun"...think deeper). When we realize there are multiple reasons for these events, we will realize there are multiple solutions that have to occur.

tl;dr : guns aren't the problem, people are.

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