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Mass Shooting in San Bernadino

1) How many perps of the mass shootings that occurred in the last 10 years would have ended up on this watch list?
2) Killers will just pack extra bullets with them.
3) True, but knowing this won't solve the mass shooting issues in this country.
4) Not sure how a gun safety class is going to keep people from killing other people on purpose.
5) Who gets to determine if someone is "off the wall crazy"? And given how great this country's mental health system is, how do get someone help without having to Baker Act them? People without insurance don't get help. And you cannot force someone to use their insurance's EAP plan.

Based on the arsenal in the San B's perps case, without those guns they would have just blown up people and places.

And let's not forget that one of the worst mass murders in this country's history (1995) was not done with guns. It was done with a bomb.

While I'm not an advocate of guns, here's the situation: guns are not the problem. People are the problem. Specifically, law-breaking people are the problem.

So, what is the solution? Well, there isn't a "one solution fits all" answer. For starters, yes....we NEED to expand the ability to help people with mental health issues. That unhappy person who isn't coping with their situation needs to be able to get help without huge bills or societal disapproval keeping them from assistance.
Do we need to keep certain people from getting access to such weapons? Sure. Certain people. Not all people. Making a bunch of laws isn't the answer....lawbreakers don't care. Drivers are required to have a driver's license and insurance, yet about 20% of drivers don't.

It's going to take numerous solutions for this complicated problem. Make a list of all mass shootings in the last 30 years, find the common denominators (p.s. it isn't "they used a gun"...think deeper). When we realize there are multiple reasons for these events, we will realize there are multiple solutions that have to occur.

tl;dr : guns aren't the problem, people are.

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The radicalized ISIS lover woman came in on a Fiancee Visa from Pakistan with fake information, despite having this super awesome "double screening" done that supposedly will assure everyone that these Syrians aren't in fact sleeper ISIS supporters as well, and apparently was in touch with one of the most prominent radical Clerics in Pakistan and/or bomb makers who instructed them on how to produce the 12 pipe bombs that were found by police.

But f*ck all that, let's instead talk about spooky AR15's and piss on people who feel the private urge to pray for these people. Yea!
 
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Profanity will get you banned on the Tulsa site. You gotta remember, most of our die hard fans are country club types, whether they want to admit it or not. That type of language will get you thrown out of the club house. Same with our boards. So I try to avoid it over here, so I don't post nonsense over there out of habit.
 
Anyone who cannot tell the difference in the proper use of apostrophes and plural nouns should be put on this terror watch list and have their guns confiscated.
 
Obama will speak to the Nation tonight from the Oval Office for just the 3rd time in almost 7 years.

He is suppose to show "toughness" tonight on defeating/eliminating ISIS...but I'm not sure you will here Islamic Terrorists or Islamic Extremist in his speech.

Even if he pretends to talk tough...if there are no actions behind his words, they will still mean nothing.

The US should be more concerned about future ISIS supporters who use US almost open borders to slip into this country with various paperwork...lay low for a period of a year or years...mostly stay off social media with their views...and do basically what this couple did even with a 6 month old baby....STRIKE and cause havoc.
 
Profanity will get you banned on the Tulsa site. You gotta remember, most of our die hard fans are country club types, whether they want to admit it or not. That type of language will get you thrown out of the club house. Same with our boards. So I try to avoid it over here, so I don't post nonsense over there out of habit.
Ah yes I'm always sure to spruce up my language around the Yacht club don't want to sound like "those people"

Was it you or barrister who had a dilemma since an attorney didn't have a proper snooty enough car for a party? I was wondering how that turned out.
 
It was me. They forced him out. I voted against it. But it was more than just the car thing.
 
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They may not prevent this..
But here are a few ideas..
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****In our Country our vetting process approved Sarah Palin for VP.. That is all I have to say...................

And what exactly would be your point here? We're also a country that:
- Vetted a spineless 44th president
- Vetted a lying, cheating philanderer-in-chief (Clinton)
- Vetted Anthony Wiener
-Vetted an Attorney General that sold AK-47's to Mexican cartels

...... there's plenty of bs to spread around between both parties.
 
These 2 terrorists were "cleanskined" (i.e. meaning they just blended in, were not under surveillance), which was the same plot as the 2012 British movie "Cleanskin", which I think is showing on Showtime this month.



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These 2 terrorists were "cleanskined" (i.e. meaning they just blended in, were not under surveillance), which was the same plot as the 2012 British movie "Cleanskin", which I think is showing on Showtime this month.



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Sean Bean is perfect for this role as he's the guy who gets his head cut off in every movie.
 
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Did you guys know that the Brady Campaign to end gun violence rated California with an A- on their score card?
 
resident buffoon OP couldn't even manage to get San Bernardino into the thread title


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Feds are now saying that the terrorists pre-planned attacks years ago...so they were already radicalized when the US allowed them to enter the US in 2014 (he to re-enter).

If the US would have denied both of their entries with more in-depth vetting, those 14 people killed in California would still be alive today.

#sad.
 
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FBI Director stated yesterday that the wedding last year of the 2 terrorists was probably a sham as both were radicalized years ago and how they communicated about jihad and martyrdom back in 2013, well before they were engaged.

Also, it now looks like Farook tried to plan another terrorist attack in the US back in 2012 but got spooked after multiple terror suspects were arrested.

It's sad that all this info was uncovered AFTER the terrorist attack because if some of this could have been known prior, then the US could have stopped their entry into the US back in 2014 and all of those 14 people would still be alive today.
 
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Where are these handouts you guys keep talking about? Seems like everyone is receiving them except me.

I said majority welfare/nanny state...as more receive handouts than don't...and more are flooding into this country to make sure the libs will always be in power on a national level in the white house.

Don't recall stated that you specifically receive handouts...as I was only talking about the majority (of voters).
 
Where are these handouts you guys keep talking about? Seems like everyone is receiving them except me.

Do you have a mortgage? If so, you're getting a handout. We all are.

The government subsidizes people to buy more expensive homes by deducting interest paid on the loan. It's absurd since it's one of the very few purchases where you don't have to actually pay the cost of borrowing. We spend hundreds of billions of dollars annually to lure people into believing that they can, and should, buy more expensive homes since Mother Government is footing the interest bill!

Granted this is supported by both sides now. But there have been R proposals to remove this deduction and flatten the tax base, at which time D's went nuts and of course accused them of hating poor people.
 
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