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N Korea now has an ICMB compatible nuclear warhead

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If you believe all of the analysts who follow N Korea and watch this stuff.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...79f191668ed_story.html?utm_term=.02db49bb203f

Just earlier this year the experts were assuring everyone that N Korea was at least 2-5 years away from being at this point. Now they have not only demonstrated the capability to put an ICBM on the US mainland, but apparently they've now conquered miniaturizing a nuclear warhead.

Unless everyone is cool with this lunatic having this capability, the time for strategic military strikes is rapidly approaching.
 
UCFKnight85 said:
If you believe all of the analysts who follow N Korea and watch this stuff.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...79f191668ed_story.html?utm_term=.02db49bb203f

Just earlier this year the experts were assuring everyone that N Korea was at least 2-5 years away from being at this point. Now they have not only demonstrated the capability to put an ICBM on the US mainland, but apparently they've now conquered miniaturizing a nuclear warhead.

Unless everyone is cool with this lunatic having this capability, the time for strategic military strikes is rapidly approaching.
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god i hope thats some fake news... dont like the idea of getting involved, but we might have to.
 
Millions will die in Seoul if the US tries to do anything militarily. DPRK would already be gone if it weren't for that.
 
Bob the Knight said:
Millions will die in Seoul if the US tries to do anything militarily. DPRK would already be gone if it weren't for that.
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Maybe not. Not if the US and ROK unleash an absolute barrage of hellfire aimed at every known artillery location on the border to knock those out in first. But this would take a massive fleet of bombers, fighters, cruise missiles, and our own artillery. All basically deploying at the same time.
 
UCFWayne said:
god i hope thats some fake news... dont like the idea of getting involved, but we might have to.
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Didn't we deploy THAAD on the Korean peninsula. That's supposed to be the anti-ICBM for boosted flight right?
 
Ironic. I'm heading to Montana this weekend for a reunion of sorts at my former AF base for past Minuteman maintenance guys and gals. Quite sure this will be a topic of conversation.

Oh btw, DPRK welcome to 1962.
 
THAAD is for protecting 'theater' assets (and, now, also referred to as 'terminal') ... and detecting launches (in-theater at least, even if heading out-of-theater), not so much for protecting nationally.

The Clinton administration has been trying to educate the US media on this -- publicly -- since 1999, and have failed. But for some reason, we blame W. for all this?

In any case, no one was as stupid as Obama.

Obama argued PAC-3 and NTW/SM-3 were enough for our allies. Obama didn't 'change' until after 2014 ... although I heard the Japanese got THAAD earlier, after they threatened Obama (hearsay, but makes sense).

I mean, even the Russians sold S-400 to Iran for a reason, and S-300VM and S-400 are in-theater too. But they are still only theater/terminal systems, designed to protect troops and in-theater assets.

THAAD isn't going to protect Seoul either, not that the North Korean 130mm shells aren't going to level it on their own. Nukes not required.
 
N Korea media reports the fatass ruler is preparing an attack on Guam.

Have fun with that
 
War with China/Russia won't be far behind if we go into NK. The proxy war in Syria would be a pittance.
 
Bob the Knight said:
Millions will die in Seoul if the US tries to do anything militarily. DPRK would already be gone if it weren't for that.
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This^. and that is the at best of the possibilities out there. He doesn't need nukes to do this. Lets say we get lucky n take out all of his nukes, How much radiation do we flood the whole area with? Lets say we get all but one loaded ready to go rocket, that then visits japan, or London, or NYC. on top of wiping out soul, and massive radiation leaks..
 
UCFRogerz said:
And it is post-boost, hence the "terminal" part of the acronym.
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Interesting. So it's intended to intercept the warhead after release in LEO. I would think the easier intercept would be in boosted flight before it gets to high speed. The heat alone makes it an easy target to track. The warhead is significantly smaller.
 
Great2BAKnight2 said:
Interesting. So it's intended to intercept the warhead after release in LEO. I would think the easier intercept would be in boosted flight before it gets to high speed. The heat alone makes it an easy target to track. The warhead is significantly smaller.
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I think the main problem is early detection, proximity and being able to predict when an ICBM is going to be launched since the boost window is relatively short. Because proximity is an issue, I don't believe there are any missile systems in development to perform this task. However, there are on-going studies and projects in work to use directed energy via high altitude drones or other aircraft as a means to destroy the missile during boost.
 
Reminder: the military is still not sure it could successfully take down an ICBM when launched at random, with countermeasures deployed. Every take down thus far has been extremely static, they know where the target is coming from, and there were no counter measures deployed to fool the interceptors. It's quite possible that if N Korea were to launch 2-3 missiles complete with a countermeasure package on each, they could get at least one through to impact the mainland.
 
You right-wingers aren't happy unless you have something ridiculous to be completely paranoid about. Muslims, gays, blacks, Mexicans, Obama taking yer gunz, Russia (not anymore,) Cuba, Communists, Socialism, taxes, third-world desert dwellers, and now North Koreans with 1960's technology.

You've been scaring everyone with your crap for years and nothing ever happens. When will you realize you're just being duped by scared old white guys making money off your fear?
 
fabknight said:
I think the main problem is early detection, proximity and being able to predict when an ICBM is going to be launched since the boost window is relatively short. Because proximity is an issue, I don't believe there are any missile systems in development to perform this task. However, there are on-going studies and projects in work to use directed energy via high altitude drones or other aircraft as a means to destroy the missile during boost.
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The early detection makes sense as the big hurdle to get over. I guess I was under the impression hyper-sonic vehicles were the answer to close the distance gap. I know the DoD has been talking about the 3rd Strategic Offset which usually leads to pretty significant leaps in capability. My expectation is laser weapon systems, hyper-sonic vehicles, and autonomous vehicles to take off during this one.

Here's an article on offsets if you're unfamiliar: http://www.dodlive.mil/2016/03/30/3rd-offset-strategy-101-what-it-is-what-the-tech-focuses-are/
 
Bob, you would be much funnier if you didn't actually believe the dumbass things you post.
 
chemmie said:
You right-wingers aren't happy unless you have something ridiculous to be completely paranoid about. Muslims, gays, blacks, Mexicans, Obama taking yer gunz, Russia (not anymore,) Cuba, Communists, Socialism, taxes, third-world desert dwellers, and now North Koreans with 1960's technology.

You've been scaring everyone with your crap for years and nothing ever happens. When will you realize you're just being duped by scared old white guys making money off your fear?
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i dont care if its trump or obama or whoever. if this is a credible threat, we need to look into all possible solutions to the problem.
 
Bob the Knight said:
Just like ISIS being a bunch of goat herders with sticks and rocks? I'm sure the 49 people at Pulse agree with you.
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They are/were. The problem was Iraq's army and Afghanistan's army running the other way when the enemy attacked
 
Great2BAKnight2 said:
Interesting. So it's intended to intercept the warhead after release in LEO. I would think the easier intercept would be in boosted flight before it gets to high speed. The heat alone makes it an easy target to track. The warhead is significantly smaller.
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The interesting about ballistics is that it is relatively "easy" to figure out where they are going to go once boost is over. Don't underestimate the amount of heat reentry causes either.

These missiles don't go fast enough for LEO. Apogee would be, perhaps, a better description of where/when the RV separates.

Another thing too is that when testing THAAD, I don't believe they have been utilizing entire salvos for defense. I'm not sure if that is by design, however. That and there are a few other systems that would also be players in a ICBM type launch (e.g. AEGIS which is for midcourse, post boost, pre-reentry).
 
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UCFKnight85 said:
Maybe not. Not if the US and ROK unleash an absolute barrage of hellfire aimed at every known artillery location on the border to knock those out in first. But this would take a massive fleet of bombers, fighters, cruise missiles, and our own artillery. All basically deploying at the same time.
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That is just not physically possible.
 
cnsaguy said:
Ironic. I'm heading to Montana this weekend for a reunion of sorts at my former AF base for past Minuteman maintenance guys and gals. Quite sure this will be a topic of conversation.

Oh btw, DPRK welcome to 1962.
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I was capsule crew at Minot for 5 years. Never got out to Great Falls or Malmstrom though.
 
The only people scared of Kim Jong Il are scared old Fox News watchers. Why are you idiots so scared when you have your toughguy Republican in the White House instead of weak Obummer? Isn't he tough enough to save us all?
 
chemmie said:
The only people scared of Kim Jong Il are scared old Fox News watchers. Why are you idiots so scared when you have your toughguy Republican in the White House instead of weak Obummer? Isn't he tough enough to save us all?
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We know you don't care about people outside your middle upperclass hipster gated neighborhood but you do realize that if/when the DPRK launches a missile at the US there will be hundreds of thousands of deaths, whether it be Americans or Koreans? You're right, no big deal.
 
Bob the Knight said:
We know you don't care about people outside your middle upperclass hipster gated neighborhood but you do realize that if/when the DPRK launches a missile at the US there will be hundreds of thousands of deaths, whether it be Americans or Koreans? You're right, no big deal.
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I assume you're responding to chemmie and I say bravo and lulz.
 
Bob the Knight said:
We know you don't care about people outside your middle upperclass hipster gated neighborhood but you do realize that if/when the DPRK launches a missile at the US there will be hundreds of thousands of deaths, whether it be Americans or Koreans? You're right, no big deal.
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Turn off the Fox News, scared little white boy. We'll all be fine unless our imbecile of a President tweets his way into an actual violent conflict.
 
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Bob the Knight said:
We know you don't care about people outside your middle upperclass hipster gated neighborhood but you do realize that if/when the DPRK launches a missile at the US there will be hundreds of thousands of deaths, whether it be Americans or Koreans? You're right, no big deal.
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You do know this is the same grand standing DPRK has been doing as their sole source of livelihood since they were created.

The only difference is we have a dumbass who thinks he is a badass spouting bravado nonsense, but even then the norks won't be so stupid as to pop one off.

To;Dr please please please stop being dumb
 
NinjaKnight said:
You do know this is the same grand standing DPRK has been doing as their sole source of livelihood since they were created.

The only difference is we have a dumbass who thinks he is a badass spouting bravado nonsense, but even then the norks won't be so stupid as to pop one off.

To;Dr please please please stop being dumb
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Yea sure - just grandstanding! If you forget about the fact that they've made previously thought impossible technological jumps in their nuclear and ICBM programs, at least 6-10 years ahead of where the so called experts pegged them just a year ago.

It's baffling as to why lefties feel the need to mock the threat this madman poses to the US if he indeed has a deplorable nuclear capability. Is your hate for Trump that deep that you'd just laugh off an adversary vowing to annihilate major cities?

I guess I shouldn't be surprised since the deputy DNC chief, extremist Keith Ellison, just recently said that Kim Jong Un is "acting more responsibility" than our president.

Destroying trump has now displaced any semblance of national pride or basic agreement that we should oppose countries like this. We really aren't that far away from being a country where half hates the other half. It's truly sad.
 
UCFKnight85 said:
Yea sure - just grandstanding! If you forget about the fact that they've made previously thought impossible technological jumps in their nuclear and ICBM programs, at least 6-10 years ahead of where the so called experts pegged them just a year ago.

It's baffling as to why lefties feel the need to mock the threat this madman poses to the US if he indeed has a deplorable nuclear capability. Is your hate for Trump that deep that you'd just laugh off an adversary vowing to annihilate major cities?

I guess I shouldn't be surprised since the deputy DNC chief, extremist Keith Ellison, just recently said that Kim Jong Un is "acting more responsibility" than our president.

Destroying trump has now displaced any semblance of national pride or basic agreement that we should oppose countries like this. We really aren't that far away from being a country where half hates the other half. It's truly sad.
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Way tl;dr, but my tl;dr from above probably applies
 
NinjaKnight said:
You do know this is the same grand standing DPRK has been doing as their sole source of livelihood since they were created.

The only difference is we have a dumbass who thinks he is a badass spouting bravado nonsense, but even then the norks won't be so stupid as to pop one off.

To;Dr please please please stop being dumb
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Similar grandstanding but this time they supposedly have the firepower to make an impact. That changes the equation.
 
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