GOL even called him out for asking a pansi question. Lololol. Huggers keep on huggin'. I wonder if some of these people will suffer actual mental anguish when this junk staff is gone and we build an actual tradition of winning at UCF.
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And when would you suffer mental anguish if we keep replacing coaching staffs every 3-4 years after GoL because we're stuck around 0.500 (or less) regularly?
At 6 years?
After 10 years?
Keep doing it until someone clicks?
or they could take off in year 2-3. Better than clinging to a 70 year old head coach that is running it into the ground
As I said ... we'll see if all those assertions hold true against the statistics of all but the very top of the G5.
UCF has the location and resources to be the very top of the G5. You don't just sit on your hands and watch the Titanic sink bc the fear of Change.
I see well over a dozen G5s making that exact same claim you do.
You could be right. But the continued assertion that we could be better than Boise State in a G5 -- as a certainty, without a doubt -- if we just get GoL, scares me. Because some of you may not like the next guy, or quickly get disenfranchised with him, too, and the spiral begins.
Nothing kills a program faster than a fanbase that always expects more ... now ... without giving anyone a bad year out of every few. I only thank the Creator that Hitt doesn't listen to this year-in, year-out non-sense, or we would have been through several coaches by now.
Which is why I asked ...
If we end up being mediocre with the next coach after 3+ years ...
How many of you will admit that getting rid of GoL was not getting rid of our problems?
Will you blame Hitt next?
That we didn't get rid of GoL faster?
Other excuses?
A chance at a winless season(or best case 2 wins) a decade into his established Program shouldn't happen. This isn't just a down year, it's a complete collapse. Not many other Programs would have the same patience with the added negative headlines GOL has brought to UCF. Then you add that he is almost 70 years old with a staff that can't recruit and it's Program Suicide to want to bring him back after a season like this. The next coach possibly failing doesn't change anything about the decision of avoiding GOL turning into a coaching Weekend at Bernie's. Have faith that the new AD will make the right hire
Whats sad is two other Florida program's exist with the intent of using those same resources we have access too. At least we had the advantage of being around longer, more established with more success. When we played FAU in 2002, they were still FCS. Now theyre in CUSA. Its not going to take long until we are no different than FAU or FIU. After losing twice to the Panthers, that advantage we have is probably GONE. We can argue that FAU was toe to toe with us at one point winning two straight bowls game as in 2007 and 2008 while we yo-yo'ed and havent won a game yet.
So what i'm interpreting is that it doesnt matter that we lost our advantages so we might as go back to ole GOL because if he was reliable back then, he'll figure it out again. Whats the point in gambling on a new beginning right?
So what i'm interpreting is that it doesnt matter that we lost our advantages so we might as go back to ole GOL because if he was reliable back then, he'll figure it out again. Whats the point in gambling on a new beginning right?
Who said I said it wasn't? I'm just questioning if it means we throw away the 3 prior years. What program does that?
You mean the ones where a lawyer gets a judge to rule that UCFAA Inc. can be sued like a NFL team, so the death on our campus goes to trial, while other programs with other deaths don't?
Seriously, stop throwing that "garbage" on the pile. Make your case on the record, the other things, but not the "garbage." Don't be a "Garbage Man."
You mean our last 2 recruiting classes being some of the best ever? Why are you guys continuing to ignore those?
So ... let's say we go 0-12, and 6-6 next year. What if we have a pair of 10 win seasons in 2017 and 2018 when our 2 best recruiting classes are upperclassmen and seniors? Especially after all the experiences of this year and next.
We would then have 5 great seasons out of 7. What would you think then?
I don't understand this "suicide" you mention, unless GoL is still losing next year. A coach has a right to have a bad season, even an awful one, after 3 solid, conference or division title winning seasons. I don't see many programs where they don't.
Oh, I have complete faith the new AD will make the right hire. That's not the question.
I just question the assertion that he will automatically be better than GoL, and we'll turn from being a top 3 G5 into better than Boise State. You guys keep asserting, over and over, that is fact, it's what you are saying with such absolution.
So ... if you're right, so be it. But if you're not ... how many of you guys are going to admit it? Or will you make excuses?
Auburn threw a national championship season away two years prior before firing Chizik.
...and still embarrass the conference like we always do when playing the P5? I say lets give another coach a chance to improve that record with "our best recruiting classes". GOL is not entitled to coaching those so-called great recruits when they're juniors and seniors. Besides what about the other classes beforehand? Should they suffer because they weren't part of a good class? Should they end their careers on bad note because you want GOL to be there because they might have a chance to win 10 games and lose to P5 teams again?
GOL had a couple of bad seasons already quit omitting his first seven years. As far as i see it, he's had more than enough chances. When he brought in Taaffe that was his last chance. Even in 2011, our 5-7 record wasnt so bad because in the midst of the turmoil, we beat Boston College from the ACC early, had some close games that could go either way and Blake Bortles emerged as the top QB. Ive said this before but after the Fiesta Bowl, i supported GOL to stay and solidify our program as one of the Top 2 or 3 G5 programs in the nation. It ended in Ireland. Did i want him fired? Of course not but the slow decline started then. We played worse against Missouri than Matt Campbell's Toledo team did the week before. Sure we had a dramatic win over BYU only to lose to UConn weeks later. A 51 yard last second TD pass preserved our 3 way tie for the American conference but the truth is we didnt even help Aresco out in sustaining value to the conference as a G5. NC State comes around and were exposed as a one hit wonder.
..and then the 2015 season started.
In one sentence you have complete faith in the new AD, but in another you really dont...more empty words from GOLs street preacher.* The point is we dont know what the new coach will bring. We only hope that they will advance our program to levels GOL couldnt reach. If not then so be it. Find a coach who will. I know its not GOL. We have given him 12 years of opportunity and close to 20 million dollars to do so.
I won't be surprised if you keep bringing up GOL way after the regime is over. He mustve given you a good life, feeding you lines and sending you out to the games, tailgates and random events approaching random fans and pressuring them to commit to the George O'Leary program at UCF. I mean he may not give much crap about satisfying the fanbase, but he's like former FBI employee, Assistant Superintendent of the New Orleans Police Department, and a private investigator Guy Bannister. In the movie JFK, he treated everyone like crap. GOL probably gives you a difficult time too making sure you say the right words when speaking to the family and fans whether its at the mall or at the Fiesta Bowl. Anyways Bannister didnt like his employees or anyone but he sure loved the big donors....and GOL loved the big donors because both of them wanted to keep their jobs.
I'll be fine when GOL is gone. The last thing i want is his dead carcass rolled out by Brent Key like he's one of the North Korean Kim's. Good riddance.
Yes, 2 years prior. So if O'Leary is screwing up early into next year, I think he goes then too.
Huh? The "right hire" doesn't always translate into "instawins." And that's the problem with you guys. When you're calling for his head, I'll still be questioning how you guys "analyze" things.
You say that. A few others say that.
But a crapload think we'll be better than Boise. And why shouldn't we be in their eyes?
That's what scares me ... the automagic-expectation that we will.
You mean like Coach K? Sure.
New fan (in 5 years): "We need a guy with a better defense. I'd rather have a more boring offense then letting them score 40+ on us all-the-time. Defense wins championships!"
Me (in 5 years): "You mean a defense-oriented, ball-control game plan with full huddle that manages to win the conference every 3 years on average?"
Me (in 5 years): "You mean a defense-oriented, ball-control game plan with full huddle that manages to win the conference every 3 years on average?"
Just like I point out things about Coach K today when it comes to offense-oriented, no-huddle.
Seriously ... you guys give me 0 credit for what I actually say.
Can't wait until GOL gets fired or retires and the first time we lose a game that we should have won (and it will surely happen), all the UCF radicals are going to call for the new coach to be fired immediately because:
1) it's the "me" generation and "I want change now!" "Me, me, me. It's all about me!"
2). "It was Hitt's choice not mine!"
3). "This coach wasn't MY choice!" It was firm biizzles and Montys.
4). "I just like to complain, because that's what I do!" "I'm just negative about anything and everything and am never happy!"
5) "Fire the coach, because I hate my wife, GF, job, etc". "I just hate life!"
6) "Key sucks!!" Oh wait. Scratch this one.
We all know that's going to happen. I'm going to surely laugh out loud when I see it.
1) it's the "me" generation and "I want change now!" "Me, me, me. It's all about me!"
2). "It was Hitt's choice not mine!"
3). "This coach wasn't MY choice!" It was firm biizzles and Montys.
4). "I just like to complain, because that's what I do!" "I'm just negative about anything and everything and am never happy!"
5) "Fire the coach, because I hate my wife, GF, job, etc". "I just hate life!"
6) "Key sucks!!" Oh wait. Scratch this one.
We all know that's going to happen. I'm going to surely laugh out loud when I see it.
I was just trying to piss you off.
Sorry GOL had used up his chances before 2009. I even supported an extra year to solidify the program over a 5 year period after the Fiesta Bowl win. Instead he coached a five year period that experienced a peak and suffered a slow pain to now 2015 - death of the GOL regime.
Like i said with one sentence you say you have confidence in the AD selection, but then harp on giving GOL another chance.
Another excuse to keep your job as the street preacher.*
You mean like Coach K? Sure.
New fan (in 5 years): "We need a guy with a better defense. I'd rather have a more boring offense then letting them score 40+ on us all-the-time. Defense wins championships!"
Me (in 5 years): "You mean a defense-oriented, ball-control game plan with full huddle that manages to win the conference every 3 years on average?"
Just like I point out things about Coach K today when it comes to offense-oriented, no-huddle.
Seriously ... you guys give me 0 credit for what I actually say.
Sorry i will not support Brent Key pushing out the dead carcass of Kim George (O'Leary) before football games.
Lets just keep Kim George around because he's feared us into relying on his soul to keep this program alive.
That's not what my post was about, but if you want to go the "Kim" route, then we can revisit the "ISIS" analogy.
GOL isn't likely to be here 3+ years either. and the recruiting issue is going to get worse every year.
Almost everyone agrees Hitt has been a great prez. But he is nearing the end of his run as well.
I have been a GOL supporter, I in retrospect wish he would have stepped down after the Fiesta.
I think GOL could very well take this team next year, with a mediocre recruiting class and win 7 or 8 games simply because all the players have experience.
and are disciplined. Problem is you then have a 71 year old coach, who had even more trouble recruiting, with little to no chance of getting back to where we were 2 years ago.
Change will and has to happen in the next 3 to 5 years. We will have a brand spanking new AD, let him start out with a bright shining coaching staff, that fits his vision.
Oh, shit... Here we go...
I wish they got the analogy. I feel like im talking to a fanbase brainwashed by GOL to the point they'll accept his dead carcass wheeled around long after he is dead....preserved and embalmed under a glass coffin with a UCF pillow and blanket of course.*
So why did you not call for his firing after we beat Georgia? Answer me that!
In other words ...
Any team not in an AQ conference or, now, unable to reach the 4-team College Football Playoff as a result of its conference alignment, should fire its coach. Got it!
Sorry, but this 5-year period argument is actually in GoL's heavy favor. Truth. That's what bothers me, you guys cannot see that. If GoL was not doing what other coaches had not done, he'd be gone. But for now, he's here until he reaches the same point. Just how it is.
Major point! Top Florida recruits who want to stay. Top recruits from other states that want to play in Florida. Facilities....but GOL has made bad decisions and we're paying the price. 1950
Mediocre sounds delightful right now. I'll take it.
Even Jon Gruden got canned along with a number of Super Bowl winning coaches. It's all about getting results and not slipping into oblivion
I told you why i didnt call for his firing in 2011. Even throughout this turmoil we finished 5-7, still were in games, beat Boston College and Blake Bortles emerged as the starting QB. Although 2012 wasnt exactly a memorable winning season it was what it was and we were going to a BCS conference for one year.
We paid GOL all this money for a reason right? There's MAC teams that cant make any money. They have reduce seating for stadiums, are unable to field certain sports and pay their coaches small salaries like Matt Campbell. Theyre expecting success but know there limits. Let me repeat again no one in our program has made it clear that our expectations are the same as a MAC school.
GOL said himself when he was hired that he encourage high expectations and that he wanted UCF to be big time like Penn State and Wisconsin. Tell me when GOL said otherwise. Where is it the proof that Dr Hitt and GOL reneged on our big expectations. Oh thats right i guess he's using you, Matty and K_L to pass that information to us right?
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UCF videos like this go viral on College Football blogs(bc of Tosh plugging UCF any chance he gets) yet right now UCF is tied with Buffalo I repeat Buffalo for the 104th ranked Recruiting Class in America.
Okay, fair enough. I'll stop bringing this up with you, because you were forward you haven't wanted GoL at UCF for a long time (or ever?).
[QUOTE="Poolside Knight, post: 311759, member: 964" I repeat Buffalo for the 104th ranked Recruiting Class in America.
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Had no idea that National Signing Day was Oct 21st.
Heck, even when UCF had full scholarships, UCF's busiest recruiting time and normally their best (i.e. when top players committed) were usually Mid Dec to late Jan.
Doubt this year will be any different.
Meanwhile, you want top players to commit to a program where you and everyone else want the coaching staff fired ASAP?
Can't have both...but people like you will still whine...so you have got that going for you.
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Had no idea that National Signing Day was Oct 21st.
Heck, even when UCF had full scholarships, UCF's busiest recruiting time and normally their best (i.e. when top players committed) were usually Mid Dec to late Jan.
Doubt this year will be any different.
Meanwhile, you want top players to commit to a program where you and everyone else want the coaching staff fired ASAP?
Can't have both...but people like you will still whine...so you have got that going for you.
96K Posts and counting and you still can't quote correctly to spew your bs drivel
It was more of a Big Picture Point of GOL and his staff sucking at Recruiting
It was more of a Big Picture Point of GOL and his staff sucking at Recruiting
If that's true ... explain our immediately 2 previous years? Considering GoL's idea of "UCF type players," I'd say we've done extremely well, given we turn some good athletes away.
I honestly fear what will happen if some of you guys get your way.
It's one thing to not like GoL and want him gone. But it's another to go after some of the targets I've seen you guys recommend at times. Although a few of you here did admit you didn't care (I have to give those people some credit).
what's that guys that run a 5.0 40? That's what it looks like watching this team on the field, these guys have weights on their ankles
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Oh boy, I'm just going to pretend I didn't hear that. Otherwise I'm going to get really pissed.
You failed again...but since you have never followed UCF recruiting before...I apologize for trying to educate the dregs of society.
Yes, I'm really getting tired of it too. It's becoming total urban myth at this point.
I follow recruiting every season douchebag. dregs of society? wtf is your problem? This board would have more active members if it wasn't for you and BS posting the nonstop GOL propaganda despite fielding one of the worst teams in the nation
Are we having a bad season this year because of recruiting in 2011-2012 and 2012-2013? Yes! No argument. This is a lose-lose-lose proposition when it comes to lacking talent, lack of leadership and, even worse, inability to go very deep, experience-wise, with few injuries.
But I'm tired of people ignoring 2013-2014 and 2014-2015, let alone bashing the kids, merely because they are inexperienced. As I said, I'll eat my words if we're not good in 2017, when those kids are all upperclassmen. But those classes were really good for us!
I'll be rooting for the kids too, but not with GOL around.
Dregs meaning haters. You wont be hearing much from K_L and BS once GOL is gone.
