New Rules to Live By

[Cubs79]

OK. So full disclosure, I had a motive for asking this and I've been using this as an experiment with other people. It stems from a notable quote and I've been interested to see how many left leaning people agree with it:

"I declare that henceforth capital and labor shall have equal rights and duties as brothers"

I leave the end of that statement out which is "in the fascist family".


It's a quote from mussolini, so it's kind of funny to see how many left leaning people agree with the statement until you include the last 4 words and then it becomes horribly racist and xenophobic, lol. Props on being a free thinker and not getting caught in that trap.

But there is a lot more to Fascism than just that though to be fair.

 

[Crazyhole]

But there is a lot more to Fascism than just that though to be fair.

Not in the economic model really. It was based on large corporations finding balance with large labor syndicates (unions) with the government being the intermediary when there was a dispute. It disfavored small businesses, and the government encouraged but didn't entirely dictate the direction the economy moves and what should be emphasized.

It's actually remarkably close to what we are doing now, and if you take a close look at Bidens infrastructure bill it is riduculously similar to what Mussolini was going for. That's not a criticism, I just find it to be a little bit ironic.

 

[OLearyLastCall]

1. Money is a construct. It can be created from thin air. Annual deficits and aggregate national debt no longer matter much.

Prior presidents ran up huge annual deficits, but at least there were some concessions that the money was real and had to be paid back. Not now. As we near $30 trillion in national debt and 110 percent of annual GDP, our elites either believe permanent zero interest rates make the cascading obligation irrelevant, or the larger the debt, the more likely we will be forced to address needed income redistribution.

2. Laws are not necessarily binding anymore. Joe Biden took an oath to “take care that the laws be faithfully executed.” But he has willfully rendered federal immigration laws null and void. Some rioters are prosecuted for violating federal laws, others not so much. Arrests, prosecutions, and trials are all fluid. Ideology governs when a law is still considered a law.

Crime rates do not necessarily matter. If someone is carjacked, assaulted, or shot, it can be understood to be as much the victim’s fault as the perpetrator’s. Either the victim was too lax, uncaring, and insensitive, or he provoked his attacker. How useful the crime is to the larger agendas of the left determines whether a victim is really a victim, and the victimizer really a victimizer.

3. Racialism is now acceptable. We are defined first by our ethnicity or religion, and only secondarily—if at all—by an American commonality. The explicit exclusion of whites from college dorms, safe spaces, and federal aid programs is now noncontroversial. It is unspoken payback for perceived past sins, or a type of “good” racism. Falsely being called a racist makes one more guilty than falsely calling someone else a racist.

4. The immigrant is mostly preferable to the citizen. The newcomer, unlike the host, is not stained by the sins of America’s founding and history. Most citizens currently must follow quarantine rules and social distancing, stay out of school and obey all the laws.

Yet those entering the United States illegally need not follow such apparently superfluous COVID-19 rules. Their children should be immediately schooled without worry of quarantine. Immigrants need not worry about their illegal entry or residence in America. Our elites believe illegal entrants more closely resemble the “founders” than do legal citizens, about half of whom they consider irredeemable.

5. Most Americans should be treated as we would treat little children. They cannot be asked to provide an ID to vote. “Noble lies” by our elites about COVID-19 rules are necessary to protect “Neanderthals” from themselves.

Americans deserve relief from the stress of grades, standardized testing, and normative rules of school behavior. They still are clueless about why it is good for them to pay far more for their gasoline, heating, and air conditioning.

6. Hypocrisy is passé. Virtue-signaling is alive. Climate change activists fly on private jets. Social justice warriors live in gated communities. Multibillionaire elitists pose as victims of sexism, racism, and homophobia. The elite need these exemptions to help the helpless. It is what you say to lesser others about how to live, not how you yourself live, that matters.

7. Ignoring or perpetuating homelessness is preferable to ending it. It is more humane to let thousands of homeless people live, eat, defecate, and use drugs on public streets and sidewalks than it is to green-light affordable housing, mandate hospitalization for the mentally ill, and create sufficient public shelter areas.

8. McCarthyism is good. Destroying lives and careers for incorrect thoughts saves more lives and careers. Cancel culture and the Twitter Reign of Terror provide needed deterrence.

Now that Americans know they are one wrong word, act, or look away from losing their livelihoods, they are more careful and will behave in a more enlightened fashion. The social media guillotine is the humane, scientific tool of the “woke.”

9. Ignorance is preferable to knowledge. Neither statue-toppling, nor name-changing, nor the 1619 Project requires any evidence or historical knowledge. Heroes of the past were simple constructs. Undergraduate, graduate, and professional degrees reflect credentials, not knowledge. The brand, not what created it, is all that matters.

10. ‘Wokeness’ is the new religion, growing faster and larger than Christianity. Its priesthood outnumbers the clergy and exercises far more power. Silicon Valley is the new Vatican, and Amazon, Apple, Facebook, Google, and Twitter are the new gospels.

Americans privately fear these rules, while publicly appearing to accept them. They still could be transitory and invite a reaction. Or they are already near-permanent and institutionalized.

The answer determines whether a constitutional republic continues as once envisioned, or warps into something never imagined by those who created it.

Victor Davis Hanson is a conservative commentator, classicist, and military historian. He is a professor of classics emeritus at California State University, a senior fellow in classics and military history at Stanford University, a fellow of Hillsdale College, and a distinguished fellow of the Center for American Greatness.

BDS

 

[Knight In TN]

As an extreme example, let's say you have a million employees. Should you make more than those million do collectively?

If we’re talking extremes, if I’m the one able to make the machine or process that makes those employees thousands of times more productive and nobody else can do that... yes. But that’s in a vacuum and an extreme example to illustrate the principle.

I agree on there needing to be a balance between the two because on a macro level all companies need consumers capable of buying their products/services. Whether that comes from very low prices or higher wages, the market has to correct one way or another.

 

[Cubs79]

Not in the economic model really. It was based on large corporations finding balance with large labor syndicates (unions) with the government being the intermediary when there was a dispute. It disfavored small businesses, and the government encouraged but didn't entirely dictate the direction the economy moves and what should be emphasized.

It's actually remarkably close to what we are doing now, and if you take a close look at Bidens infrastructure bill it is riduculously similar to what Mussolini was going for. That's not a criticism, I just find it to be a little bit ironic.

But Fascism is more than an economic model. As you mention, you left out the part about racism and xenophobia. You can find some overlap in pretty much everything from Marxism, to Nazism, Fascism, and even capitalism. But a few things over lapping isnt the philosophy as a whole. State controlled media is also a part of fascism, where as in this country, we have the complete opposite. WE have media that is essentially built around profit and entertainment. Sure, we have partisan media on both sides, but Mussolini and the Italian govnt essentially controlled the media. The UK is somewhere in the middle, where they have a free press, but it is much easier to hold people accountable for lies, but in neither case, is the media controlled by the government. Plus, a lot of the message from some of these extreme ideologies, was more about getting people on their side just to gain power, than it was their actual beliefs.

 

[ElprofesorJuan]

Since we switched from standard of Gold..it is a Construct it's why dollar says it's legal tender...Government allowed us to make fake money...This also means Wall street is Fake...Reddit.com proved the market can de manipulated.. It's also a Construct...We just want to think we are control. In reality we are not

 

[_glaciers]

Sure, we have partisan media on both sides, but Mussolini and the Italian govnt essentially controlled the media. The UK is somewhere in the middle, where they have a free press, but it is much easier to hold people accountable for lies, but in neither case, is the media controlled by the government.

having major political donors control the media is one and the same as having the government control the media.

 

[Crazyhole]

But Fascism is more than an economic model. As you mention, you left out the part about racism and xenophobia. You can find some overlap in pretty much everything from Marxism, to Nazism, Fascism, and even capitalism. But a few things over lapping isnt the philosophy as a whole. State controlled media is also a part of fascism, where as in this country, we have the complete opposite. WE have media that is essentially built around profit and entertainment. Sure, we have partisan media on both sides, but Mussolini and the Italian govnt essentially controlled the media. The UK is somewhere in the middle, where they have a free press, but it is much easier to hold people accountable for lies, but in neither case, is the media controlled by the government. Plus, a lot of the message from some of these extreme ideologies, was more about getting people on their side just to gain power, than it was their actual beliefs.

You can have racism and xenophobia alongside any economic model. I just chuckle when people use the term fascist as the new go-to pejorative because the term racist has run out of steam. Nothing makes people squirm more than when you point out that they share common beliefs with the fascist model, lol.

 

[ElprofesorJuan]

But there is a lot more to Fascism than just that though to be fair.

It's why I say this thinking is proud boys thinking....

 

[Cubs79]

having major political donors control the media is one and the same as having the government control the media.

It's not. For one, it happens on both sides (and actually more on the right if we really want to get into the weeds), but our major media is still controlled by profit and ratings, not the powers at be.

 

[Cubs79]

You can have racism and xenophobia alongside any economic model. I just chuckle when people use the term fascist as the new go-to pejorative because the term racist has run out of steam. Nothing makes people squirm more than when you point out that they share common beliefs with the fascist model, lol.

Of course you can, but the reason Fascist has become the go to, is because Trump was trying to use a lot of the fascist model, at least with his campaign. From "fake news", to "America First", etc, these are all essentially slogans popularized during the rise of Fascism.

 

[ElprofesorJuan]

You can have racism and xenophobia alongside any economic model. I just chuckle when people use the term fascist as the new go-to pejorative because the term racist has run out of steam. Nothing makes people squirm more than when you point out that they share common beliefs with the fascist model, lol.

It's why I say this way of thinking leads to Whotr Nationalism

It's not. For one, it happens on both sides (and actually more on the right if we really want to get into the weeds), but our major media is still controlled by profit and ratings, not the powers at be.

Fox news....Robert Murdoch controls Australian government and American thinking as well. It's what elected Trump..Fox news was what Republicans watched so News can manipulate others.

 

[Knight In TN]

But Fascism is more than an economic model. As you mention, you left out the part about racism and xenophobia. You can find some overlap in pretty much everything from Marxism, to Nazism, Fascism, and even capitalism. But a few things over lapping isnt the philosophy as a whole. State controlled media is also a part of fascism, where as in this country, we have the complete opposite. WE have media that is essentially built around profit and entertainment. Sure, we have partisan media on both sides, but Mussolini and the Italian govnt essentially controlled the media. The UK is somewhere in the middle, where they have a free press, but it is much easier to hold people accountable for lies, but in neither case, is the media controlled by the government. Plus, a lot of the message from some of these extreme ideologies, was more about getting people on their side just to gain power, than it was their actual beliefs.

Racism and fascism aren’t inherently linked. In practice in the most famous examples there’s been elements of racism in fascism as well, but fascism doesn’t necessarily have to include racism, as detestable as both are.

 

[Cubs79]

Racism and fascism aren’t inherently linked. In practice in the most famous examples there’s been elements of racism in fascism as well, but fascism doesn’t necessarily have to include racism, as detestable as both are.

In theory that may be true, but the original rise of it certainly incorporated racist and xenophobic beliefs, so it is hard to separate, especially since fascism was pretty short lived.

 

[Cubs79]

It's why I say this way of thinking leads to Whotr Nationalism

Fox news....Robert Murdoch controls Australian government and American thinking as well. It's what elected Trump..Fox news was what Republicans watched so News can manipulate others.

And Limbaugh. Rush was basically the one who started this super hyper partisan media. It is nothing more than a business plan now, but a business plan that has power.

 

[ElprofesorJuan]

Racism and fascism aren’t inherently linked. In practice in the most famous examples there’s been elements of racism in fascism as well, but fascism doesn’t necessarily have to include racism, as detestable as both are.

You are correct..But many use racism to kill Jews or banish there enemies The system gets abused..They use a certain people as enemies to come to power saying these people are bad..They may not be racist but after they get in power minority is blamed to keep those who voted for u happy ..Its easy to blame the minority they don't have power to say anything...

 

[Cubs79]

You are correct..But many use racism to kill Jews or banish there enemies The system gets abused..They use a certain people as enemies to come to power saying these people are bad..They may not be racist but after they get in power minority is blamed to keep those who voted for u happy ..Its easy to blame the minority they don't have power to say anything...

Yep. It is amazing to look at pictures of Nazi wifes standing in front of concentration camps in the early portion of it, who honestly, probably have no clue what is really happening. But they bought into the message, and didnt pay attention when the message went way beyond what they thought meant.

 

[Crazyhole]

In theory that may be true, but the original rise of it certainly incorporated racist and xenophobic beliefs, so it is hard to separate, especially since fascism was pretty short lived.

I'll go half way on this. Mussolini was a nationalist for sure, but I don't know that I could say that much of his platform was based on racism. "Italian" isn't any more of a race than "Canadian" is.

 

[Cubs79]

I'll go half way on this. Mussolini was a nationalist for sure, but I don't know that I could say that much of his platform was based on racism. "Italian" isn't any more of a race than "Canadian" is.

Nationalism and racism go hand in hand. In reality, there arent that many races (or to get back to the construct thing, really arent any races). Italy is a Mediterranean country who with a history of colonizing, so what really is the Italian race? Is it European? Middle Eastern? Obviously now we would say European, but Europe didnt really exist when Italy was at its strongest, and at that point it was probably considered more Middle Eastern from a modern view, since the Roman empire basically controlled much what we would now consider the middle east,

 

[Crazyhole]

Nationalism and racism go hand in hand. In reality, there arent that many races (or to get back to the construct thing, really arent any races). Italy is a Mediterranean country who with a history of colonizing, so what really is the Italian race? Is it European? Middle Eastern? Obviously now we would say European, but Europe didnt really exist when Italy was at its strongest, and at that point it was probably considered more Middle Eastern from a modern view, since the Roman empire basically controlled much what we would now consider the middle east,

So here's where things get a little bit sticky when people say that Trump was a racist and a nationalist. There are some that say he only wants immigration from other white countries. Ok, that makes him a racist but not a nationalist and certainly not a fascist by the way they use that term. Conversely, I don't remember him saying anything about people of color that are already US citizens being relocated, so maybe he could be a nationalist but not a racist.

Most likely, he's neither but due to his inflammatory rhetoric and party affiliation those terms were just convenient criticisms to lay at his feet.

 

[Cubs79]

So here's where things get a little bit sticky when people say that Trump was a racist and a nationalist. There are some that say he only wants immigration from other white countries. Ok, that makes him a racist but not a nationalist and certainly not a fascist by the way they use that term. Conversely, I don't remember him saying anything about people of color that are already US citizens being relocated, so maybe he could be a nationalist but not a racist.

Most likely, he's neither but due to his inflammatory rhetoric and party affiliation those terms were just convenient criticisms to lay at his feet.

But the inflammatory rhetoric is his fault. I will 100% agree with you that the word racism gets thrown too much. For example, I dont think someone like Mitt Romney was a racist when he ran, but I am sure people called him that. The difference, is that Trump had the inflammatory rhetoric and invited on to himself. And you can see that with the people who flocked to him. A lot of people voted for him just because he was a Republican, a lot of other people voted for him because of his rhetoric.

 

[ElprofesorJuan]

So here's where things get a little bit sticky when people say that Trump was a racist and a nationalist. There are some that say he only wants immigration from other white countries. Ok, that makes him a racist but not a nationalist and certainly not a fascist by the way they use that term. Conversely, I don't remember him saying anything about people of color that are already US citizens being relocated, so maybe he could be a nationalist but not a racist.

Most likely, he's neither but due to his inflammatory rhetoric and party affiliation those terms were just convenient criticisms to lay at his feet.

All begin there mission with helping people....but they realized u need enemy So they use minorities who alone cannot defend themselves...All start as Government for the people.....But people want more, So government created a enemy. .

 

[Crazyhole]

But the inflammatory rhetoric is his fault. I will 100% agree with you that the word racism gets thrown too much. For example, I dont think someone like Mitt Romney was a racist when he ran, but I am sure people called him that. The difference, is that Trump had the inflammatory rhetoric and invited on to himself. And you can see that with the people who flocked to him. A lot of people voted for him just because he was a Republican, a lot of other people voted for him because of his rhetoric.

I can't disagree with that. Where I might diverge from your opinion is the ridiculous claims that he was knowingly using "dog whistles" and code words. All of that nonsense was just over the top and was intended to indict not just Trump, but also all of his voters. Of course there were some people that read into the things he said and in their minds made them out to be the things they wanted to hear, but that is true of almost every politician.

"Binders full of women"

"You didn't build that"

"They're sending rapists"


All of those phrases were blown out of proportion and categorized as being some kind of subliminal messaging, which is ridiculous. Context matters, not sound bites.

 

[Cubs79]

I can't disagree with that. Where I might diverge from your opinion is the ridiculous claims that he was knowingly using "dog whistles" and code words. All of that nonsense was just over the top and was intended to indict not just Trump, but also all of his voters. Of course there were some people that read into the things he said and in their minds made them out to be the things they wanted to hear, but that is true of almost every politician.

"Binders full of women"

"You didn't build that"

"They're sending rapists"


All of those phrases were blown out of proportion and categorized as being some kind of subliminal messaging, which is ridiculous. Context matters, not sound bites.

Every campaign gets criticized, especially the campaign the loses because they get over analyzed. Trumps first campaign, was not normal though. I dont think you can really compare Trump to historical context, because he basically broke all the rules. And a lot of the reason a lot of people liked him is because he deviated from the norms. The last 4 years of our politics have not been normal. Whether someone loves Trump or hates him, he was not a normal candidate or president.

 

[Crazyhole]

Every campaign gets criticized, especially the campaign the loses because they get over analyzed. Trumps first campaign, was not normal though. I dont think you can really compare Trump to historical context, because he basically broke all the rules. And a lot of the reason a lot of people liked him is because he deviated from the norms. The last 4 years of our politics have not been normal. Whether someone loves Trump or hates him, he was not a normal candidate or president.

Nailed it. We both agree that Trump is a despicable man, and I don't think I'm going out on a limb to say that we both can see why a lot of people were drawn to him. Sure, there are some Nazis or whatever that read into his rhetoric, but his real draw was nothing more than a change from the status quo. It's not that his policy positions were actually "radical", they were just a pivot away from what his predecessors had been doing. For example: building a border wall isn't a radical idea. We can debate the cost-benefit of it but it is far from being a "radical idea".

 

[Cubs79]

Nailed it. We both agree that Trump is a despicable man, and I don't think I'm going out on a limb to say that we both can see why a lot of people were drawn to him. Sure, there are some Nazis or whatever that read into his rhetoric, but his real draw was nothing more than a change from the status quo. It's not that his policy positions were actually "radical", they were just a pivot away from what his predecessors had been doing. For example: building a border wall isn't a radical idea. We can debate the cost-benefit of it but it is far from being a "radical idea".

But Bernie was a change from status quo too, and while he certainly performed better than I expected in 2016, he didnt win the nomination or presidency. There is more to it than just not being status quo.

 

[Crazyhole]

But Bernie was a change from status quo too, and while he certainly performed better than I expected in 2016, he didnt win the nomination or presidency. There is more to it than just not being status quo.

It's different for the Republicans than for the democrats. Up until 2016 it was always "the next man up" since Goldwater. Democrats tend to be more open to pragmatism with their nominees, which is a good thing.

 

[Cubs79]

It's different for the Republicans than for the democrats. Up until 2016 it was always "the next man up" since Goldwater. Democrats tend to be more open to pragmatism with their nominees, which is a good thing.

That was true for sure. From Bush sr on every Republican nominee was essentially a legacy nominee, until Trump. But, Hillary and Biden make me wonder if the Democrats are going down that route too. Bernie, Warren, and Yang were all far better candidates than Hillary and Biden IMO.

 

[Knight In TN]

All begin there mission with helping people....but they realized u need enemy So they use minorities who alone cannot defend themselves...All start as Government for the people.....But people want more, So government created a enemy. .

That seems to be where things are going in some circles now on the left. There are lots of people in prominent positions who seem to be more than happy to tell minorities that whites have created all of the problems they have. The similarities in the messaging can’t be ignored.

 

[Crazyhole]

That was true for sure. From Bush sr on every Republican nominee was essentially a legacy nominee, until Trump. But, Hillary and Biden make me wonder if the Democrats are going down that route too. Bernie, Warren, and Yang were all far better candidates than Hillary and Biden IMO.

Even further back than that.

Nixon: former VP
Ford: sitting pres
Reagan: 2nd place last time
Bush: former VP
Dole: former VP candidate
Bush: legacy
McCain: 2nd place last time
Romney: 2nd place last time

Political nepotism.

 

[goodknightfl]

Trumps trillion dollar pandemic spending = great leader

Bidens trillion dollar pandemic spending = MONEY IS MEANINGLESS NOW EVERYBODY PANIC.

I didn't like either of them.

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

Even further back than that.

Nixon: former VP
Ford: sitting pres
Reagan: 2nd place last time
Bush: former VP
Dole: former VP candidate
Bush: legacy
McCain: 2nd place last time
Romney: 2nd place last time

Political nepotism.

DeSantis 2024 gonna change all that...

 

[NinjaKnight]

Another excellent inbred post by the same guy who links to Info Wars.

These people are a lost cause, all we can hope for to save our country is for them to die off from old age before they do irreparable damage.

 

[Nautiknight]

So, I was listening to Andrew Wilkow on the XM on Thursday and he had Governor Brian Kemp of Georgia on the radio. The Governor of Georgia explained this horrific law. one, the drivers license number is going forward going to be used as signature verification. Two, anyone need a state ID , it's FREE. Three, they have instituted drop boxes that will be video monitored and ran solely by each county's election board .Four they extended times in which a person can vote and five , there is zero interaction within 150 feet of the polling place.

Kemp said Counties are free to give out water. You are free to order a pizza, door dash , have a picnic ,bring your own water , but people can't interact with you once inside the buffer zone. He said if there is a line that requires anyone to wait 3 or 4 hours then there is a problem. They also allocated more money for more voting machines to cut down wait times going forward.

After listening to this irrational baffoon about how they have improved access , codified monitored dropped boxes and giving away free IDs. I can see why everyone is up in arms. He has the gall to make voting more accessible, more secure, the results more trusted by the voters , and run by the county board of elections. I am disgusted .

 

[firm_bizzle]

What a whiny, oblivious, beta post.