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um....................yeah, I suppose that's one way to look at it. 🙄
Like Gavin Newsome banning parties but then goes to one with his wife? That to me sends a much more powerful message that people shouldn't take this seriously than Trump not wearing a mask as "an example". People hate hypocrisy more than they love leaders setting an example.
She was the victim there. That had nothing to do with setting a good example like if Trump were to wear a neck gaiter while walking across the white house lawn by himself. Trump lied people died.
Since Trump is the President, isn't he the head of your government? Didn't your government head tell you that covid was no worse than the flu? Didn't the head of our government say he lost so the election so obviously it was fixed?
So when you say "people just need the government to tell them what to think and do," who are these mindless sheep you are talking about?
It did nothing? The number of infections didn't fall last April and early May? I could have sworn that we had this virus under control to the point where the Trump Administration issued guidelines in May for safely reopening businesses within a state. But the day after Trump announced them, he began contradicting himself and urged states to reopen without meeting the threshold standards that the health experts had laid out.
And the result?
We saw a summer spike followed by the predicted fall spike. This administration sat on its hands and did absolutely nothing. Hell, the President hasn't even attended a coronavirus briefing for months. But to protect him, our resident chuds want everybody to believe that 'masks don't work,' and 'there's really nothing anybody could've done about this thing.' That's bullshit--and anyone with a brain knows it. It's amazing to me you are so self-unaware that you're STILL spewing the same nonsense.
Lol why can't I hide for 6 months? The vaccine is around the corner, I'm not getting this shit in the bottom of the 9th.
Because I am very active and don't want my lungs ****ed up for 3 weeks or possibly permanently.
I'm not just trying to survive. I want to be able to do my hobbies for the rest of my life after this is over and unlike your fat old ass, my hobbies include the use of my lungs.
My good friend in Palm Beach County caught it like 2 months ago. He said it was much worse that the flu. He still doesn't have full lung capacity back yet.
Your friends are unhealthy, fat asses who never had any lung capacity to begin with
The very notion on display in this thread that "we tried a shutdown back in March and the virus is back again so obviously shutdowns don't work" illustrates the lack of understanding that some people have about contagious diseases and how they spread.
That illustrates the lack of understanding of how contagious diseases spread? Good lord man, you are more dense than we've given you credit for.
Just answer a simple question:
Do you think lockdowns will stop the virus, or just delay the spread? No bullshit hyperbole with italics and eyeroll emojis. Just answer the question.
Okay, Crazy. It's too long for a message board post but nevertheless, here we go one more time:
Just like other countries that successfully dealt with Covid-19, we could have used our original shutdown to dramatically lower the infection numbers -- while simultaneously fast-tracking testing so that once our number were low enough, we could react quickly and effectively when new infections popped up. Contact tracing would be implemented and with the appropriate quarantining, outbreaks could, and would, be nipped in the bud.
But we NEVER got the infection numbers under control. We were so impatient to reopen businesses across the country that we allowed States to reopen before they met coronavirus guidelines that were set by our health experts in the Trump Administration. The worst part of that fact is that these premature openings were encouraged by Trump and Republican governors.
As you may recall (since you were one of the people here leading the charge), we were told that we simply MUST reopen for the sake of businesses even if it meant more infections. Remember? As I said at the time, it would do struggling small businesses no good if we reopened early only to have to turn around and shutdown them down again. Guess what? That's exactly what's happening now in some places and is likely to continue.
And what about the notion of getting the numbers so low that we could keep businesses open throughout the rest of the pandemic because we had ratcheted up the availability of testing? Well, that never happened for a number of reasons but the biggest one being that we never got the numbers down low enough to make such a testing effort manageable.
Having everyone in the country doing their patriotic duty and following the experts' commonsense safety guidelines wouldn't have eliminated the virus (although places like New Zealand and South Korea have come awfully damn close), it would have allowed us to distribute the vaccine when its ready without the urgency and intense pressure that we will see taking place throughout the nation next year.
In a nutshell, the notion that there's 'just no way' we can stop the spread has been disproven by other countries who have done it. And if you believe you have to have a totalitarian government that employs a national lockdown in order to stop the spread, why has New Zealand been so successful in its efforts? As of today, they have 61 active cases (3 new ones in the past 24 hours) and a death toll of 25.
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Your first mistake is comparing the US to New Zealand. You have to admit that it is much easier for them to restrict international travel than it would be for us, right? We can't do that without plunging the world into a depression. I said a few weeks ago that I have a foolproof plan to end Covid in the US: quarantine everyone for 28 days and then shut down all travel in and out until the rest of the world gets covid under control. Anything short of that is just buying time. Agree or disagree?
So THAT'S your take after reading my post?
Tell me, would it has passed mustard with you if I used Canada, South Korea, or Germany as an example? Given our abysmal record in handling the virus, does it really even matter which country I compared us to? Hell, most of the "sh*thole" countries Trump trashed are handling the virus better than we are, so what's your point?
Instead of reacting to the answer you specifically asked for, what do I get in response? You change the subject by asking another question. Hmmm, I can't imagine what that's all about.
I'm saying that if you are going to make a comparison, it needs to be one that is more comparable to the US. The UK and France would be the 2 that come to mind first. I have no idea what their numbers look like right now, but maybe they were more successful than us.So THAT'S your take after reading my post?
Tell me, would it has passed mustard with you if I used Canada, South Korea, or Germany as an example? Given our abysmal record in handling the virus, does it really even matter which country I compared us to? Hell, most of the "sh*thole" countries Trump trashed are handling the virus better than we are, so what's your point?
Instead of reacting to the answer you specifically asked for, what do I get in response? You change the subject by asking another question. Hmmm, I can't imagine what that's all about.
The death numbers have gone back and forth when looking at the top 5 European countries (France, Russia, Spain, UK, and Italy) versus the US. A few months ago the US was looking a little better, now the Euro 5 are looking a little better in terms of overall deaths (252k in the US to 231k in those 5 countries). The CFR is also a measure of response quality and that tells an interesting story. Here are the CFR's for a diverse number of countries, according to the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine:
Yemen 29.17%
Iran 5.39%
China 5.37%
Mexico 9.79%
Italy 3.75%
UK 3.75%
Canada 3.63%
Australia 3.27%
Sweden 3.23%
Ireland 2.90%
Brazil 2.82%
Argentina 2.71%
Spain 2.71%
France 2.26%
US 2.19%
Russia 1.72% (If you believe their numbers)
South Korea 1.70%
Japan 1.59%
Germany 1.58%
So, when you look at countries that are most similar to us (and Yemen because Damn!), you'll see that the outcome of treatment is favorable to most of the other countries. This is also a metric of the response policy, not just trying to keep people from getting it but having a medical system in place to maximize the potential for positive outcomes. Of course, you don't see these numbers posted on every news report or ever talked about when analyzing the USG response. Just the death toll. We all know why that is.
As for how similar these countries are, the closest would be the UK to our diversity and culture. Their number is 71% higher than ours. They also don't have Mexico on their southern border leaking people into the US for treatment. These other countries are also not exporting ventilators and aren't funding the most rapidly developed vaccines in history. If you really look at it holistically, the US response has not been a failure compared to the rest of the developed world.
After addressing Crazy's direct question in detail, what is the response from the Usual Suspects? We aren't doing so bad.
WTF???
Good grief, a casual survey of the numbers reveals that the United States represents only 4% of the world's population, yet has over 25% of the world's covid-19 infections -- and that percentage is growing.
The trouble attempting to have a reasonable discussion about covid with people who still support Trump is that there is zero logic to any of their arguments.
WTF???
Good grief, a casual survey of the numbers reveals that the United States represents only 4% of the world's population, yet has over 25% of the world's covid-19 infections -- and that percentage is growing.
The trouble attempting to have a reasonable discussion about covid with people who still support Trump is that there is zero logic to any of their arguments.
If everyone used our tests, do you think there would be more cases in other countries? Its been pretty widely reported that the ones we use are more sensitive than others.After addressing Crazy's direct question in detail, what is the response from the Usual Suspects? We aren't doing so bad.
WTF???
Good grief, a casual survey of the numbers reveals that the United States represents only 4% of the world's population, yet has over 25% of the world's covid-19 infections -- and that percentage is growing.
The trouble attempting to have a reasonable discussion about covid with people who still support Trump is that there is zero logic to any of their arguments.
So you've pivoted away from 'lockdowns don't work, you don't understand contagious diseases' to 'we have better tests and test more than other countries.'?
I responded to your direct question about how we combat the virus. Where's your response?
Saying New Zealand was a poor example was nothing more than a red herring to deflect away from the central issue we were discussing.
No one is testing to the extent that we are and it's been that way since early summer so of course we have a significantly higher number of positive tests. The countries that are testing the population in similar numbers per capita, France, Russia, and the UK, all have high infection rates. Not like the US, but again, their cultures, logistics, housing patterns, and geographies are different than the US. Interestingly, South Korea is only testing 21 people per 100k right now whereas we are testing over 500 per 100k.After addressing Crazy's direct question in detail, what is the response from the Usual Suspects? We aren't doing so bad.
WTF???
Good grief, a casual survey of the numbers reveals that the United States represents only 4% of the world's population, yet has over 25% of the world's covid-19 infections -- and that percentage is growing.
The trouble attempting to have a reasonable discussion about covid with people who still support Trump is that there is zero logic to any of their arguments.
You keep bringing up island nations with very little diversity and a very strong national identity, such as New Zealand, and South Korea that lives it's existence in fear of biological warfare attack from any of a number of sources in addition to the cultural hygienic aversion to sick people. If you cannot even understand why these are outliers with respect to analyzing the efficacy of public policy, then you really are incapable of having this discussion.
We have the highest number of covid deaths in the world. Is that a testing issue too?
Knowing you, let me guess: It's a false REPORTING issue, right?
There are differences in how deaths are reported, yes. Germany is a great example of that. They are very different systems so its hard to say if they are underreported or ours are overreported, but its not an apples to apples comparison.We have the highest number of covid deaths in the world. Is that a testing issue too?
Knowing you, let me guess: It's a false REPORTING issue, right?
They are all reporting differently, that's a fact. How much differently, I have no idea. It figures that you'd fall right back to the death toll and not address CFR or cultural aspects at all. Just find a big scary number and pound the table.We have the highest number of covid deaths in the world. Is that a testing issue too?
Knowing you, let me guess: It's a false REPORTING issue, right?
