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Rich, affluent people don't understand us commoners, and for them to 'talk down to us' isn't really going to win over many people. But, as I said, it's not mandated. It's a waste of money, but not mandated.I'm not sure who she is but must be something to wear a $15k suit. The evil rich are themselves. 😆
50% of Zoomers (Gen-Z) agree. They are the ones questioning a lot too. We'll see.If it truly is beneficial, the messaging needs to be non-political and not some cult push.
I just say screw vaccines. The government is creeping me out. How do I get unvaccinated?? Bring on the pandemic baby!!! Life was amazing with all those cancelled football games, 20% full stadiums and no tailgating.You're going to the way extreme argument. I say do it or not it doesn't bother me. Personal responsibility and your risk/reward logic. Considering it is listed as emergency use we have a decent number vaccinated imo. Assuming we can get the 65+ plus group mostly vaccinated and those with diabetes, asthma, etc the death toll is going to be way under 1% for the remaining groups.
Getting covid isn't automatic death. Less than 5% of covid cases even need hospitalization. The vaccines are working although I don't believe as well as the original effective rates reported. If we don't get all creepy about the vaccine, maybe another 10-15% will do it. The fda approval will also help.
0% chance that DeSantis will lock down Florida btw. 😉
I just say screw vaccines. The government is creeping me out. How do I get unvaccinated?? Bring on the pandemic baby!!! Life was amazing with all those cancelled football games, 20% full stadiums and no tailgating.
When did you start arguing like a liberal?I just say screw vaccines. The government is creeping me out. How do I get unvaccinated?? Bring on the pandemic baby!!! Life was amazing with all those cancelled football games, 20% full stadiums and no tailgating.
He seems pretty sensitive and obtuse on this issue.When did you start arguing like a liberal?
When you guys started hating vaccines/science and and loving pandemicsWhen did you start arguing like a liberal?
I can’t argue with someone without a neuronHe seems pretty sensitive and obtuse on this issue.
You can't seem to discuss the topic with anyone. You just revert to ad-hom on the levels of knightclassesI can’t argue with someone without a neuron
Because you guys are a bunch of morons.You can't seem to discuss the topic with anyone. You just revert to ad-hom on the levels of knightclasses
You're going to the way extreme argument. I say do it or not it doesn't bother me. Personal responsibility and your risk/reward logic. Considering it is listed as emergency use we have a decent number vaccinated imo. Assuming we can get the 65+ plus group mostly vaccinated
65-75 75+
All 90.7% 86.6%
Fully 81.0% 77.2%
40-49 50-64
All 64.9% 74.8%
Fully 56.4% 66.1%
18-24 25-39
All 50.9% 55.4%
Fully 41.9% 47.3%
<12 12-15 16-17
All 0.5% 34.2% 46.0%
Fully 0.3% 25.6% 37.6%
Actually, it was about 7% for those under 45 (or 50, cannot remember), with Wuhan-1 + Alpha (Alpha being most of those). But yes, under 25 was <0.2%.and those with diabetes, asthma, etc the death toll is going to be way under 1% for the remaining groups.
It was actually 2.1% by September with Wuhan-1. It came up with Alpha by January.Getting covid isn't automatic death. Less than 5% of covid cases even need hospitalization.
The worst case reports had Wuhan-1 and Alpha no worse than 88% with mRNA (Pfizer, Moderna) over 2-4 months. That's actually outstanding, much higher than typical for many established vaccines. It's typically 98%+ against serious disease too.The vaccines are working although I don't believe as well as the original effective rates reported.
We're well past 70% fully vaccinated among 65+.If we don't get all creepy about the vaccine, maybe another 10-15% will do it. The fda approval will also help.
I remember when the lockdown was only supposed to be 2 then 4 weeks.0% chance that DeSantis will lock down Florida btw. 😉
I honestly think that your brain isn’t wired correctly. You’re too fukced up in the head to make a concise point. You’re all over the place. Writing a lot makes you LESS KNOWLEDGEABLE. It’s a very very bad look for you @UCFBS. This is why you can’t hold down a jobWe're at over 80% fully vaccinated 65+, although some 75+ are unable to be vaccinated, so it's just under (yes, 65-74 is higher than 75+).
COVID Data Tracker
CDC’s home for COVID-19 data. Visualizations, graphs, and data in one easy-to-use website.covid.cdc.gov65-75 75+ All 90.7% 86.6% Fully 81.0% 77.2%
And those 40-64 are nearly 70% fully vaccinated (they will be in a month) ...
40-49 50-64 All 64.9% 74.8% Fully 56.4% 66.1%
And those 18-39 are heading to 50%+ fully ... (will be a bit before 70%).
18-24 25-39 All 50.9% 55.4% Fully 41.9% 47.3%
These underage are all Pfizer mRNA, at least if legally ...
<12 12-15 16-17 All 0.5% 34.2% 46.0% Fully 0.3% 25.6% 37.6%
In fact, both Moderna mRNA and J&J Ad26 are still only EUA for 18+, and ...
Pfizer wasn't granted 12-15 until mid-May, and was 16+ earlier.
What's interesting is the <12, as none are even EUA today!
The Pfizer approval submission is still only 16+, not 12-15, much less under.
Which means practioners and, to a lesser extent, parents have been violating the law. Especially <12, although most were violating it before the <16 mid-May EUA too.
Actually, it was about 7% for those under 45 (or 50, cannot remember), with Wuhan-1 + Alpha (Alpha being most of those). But yes, under 25 was <0.2%.
It was actually 2.1% by September with Wuhan-1. It came up with Alpha by January.
But yes, it's been lower than the Flu hospitalizations, which runs 5-10%. But the lockdown brought down flu by orders of magnitude.
The worst case reports had Wuhan-1 and Alpha no worse than 88% with mRNA (Pfizer, Moderna) over 2-4 months. That's actually outstanding, much higher than typical for many established vaccines. It's typically 98%+ against serious disease too.
So CoV mRNA vaccines seem to have an extremely high efficacy, at least in the short-term. That's why many believe creating new CoV mRNA vaccines that address the Gamma, Delta and Lamba variants may be extremely effective. That's always been the promise of mRNA ... which hasn't happened in Flu B/C trials (seasonal flus, C kills far less, but spreads faster), and Flu A was always a 'long shot promise' (but would be tried in the case of a pandemic).
Now variants have brought that down.
This is where some they have 'equivalized' with Adenovirus (Ad) vector vaccines in the most recent studies. I.e., mRNA seems to have really prevented Wuhan-1 far better than Ad, but it slips with Delta (which kills far less, but spreads faster), greatly so ... but across all variants, it's about the same.
Although Alpha, Gamma and Lambda seem to be far better addressed -- especially with Alpha being the biggest killer so far, and Gamma set to take over its rein. Gamma is well addressed by both mRNA and Ad. All vaccines produce T-cells, just like actual immunity.
The whole IgM, IgG and IgA antibodies is another story -- the mRNA/Ad types produce almost entirely IgG (80%+ blood), while natural infection produces IgM and IgA as well --especially the latter in lungs, which is where the spread/transmission debate is at.
We're well past 70% fully vaccinated among 65+.
We're almost at 70% fully with 50+.
We're almost at 70% of any shot with 40+.
Even 18+ are nearly at 50%.
Over 60% of the 18+ population has had any shot.
We'll be at 70% soon enough.
And fully vaccinated for 18+ will be 70% in the coming wees.
But I don't see 70% stopping the spread/transmission, based on what we now know.
The NIH predicted this a year ago too ... which goes back into IgG-predominant (mRNA/Ad) 'blood' vaccines v. tri-immunoglobulins 'natural' immunity (either disease or a live, attenuated virus), along with the spread/transfer, because IgG doesn't address the upper respiratory tract on its own.
I remember when the lockdown was only supposed to be 2 then 4 weeks.
Then it turned into special interest and hypocrisy on a whole new level.
Even Warren Buffet has been pointing this out.
The US Media and registered Democrats need to seriously listen to Buffet
Even Buffet pointed out that small businesses have been decimated, through no fault of their own. People need to stop being insensitive to their real issues. I find that's exactly the case with the US Media and people who don't stop to recognize how many trillions of dollars were transferred to...ucf.forums.rivals.com
Doses given | Fully vaccinated | % of population fully vaccinated |
334M 334,000,000 | 159M 159,000,000 | 48.5% |
You're just proving you don't read anything. Because ...I honestly think that your brain isn’t wired correctly
The % of population fully vaccinated includes all <12 kids who cannot legally get any vaccine! That's 50M kids under 12 who cannot get any vaccine under even EUA!
Doses given Fully vaccinated % of population fully vaccinated 334M
334,000,000159M
159,000,00048.5%
Unless you're advocating jabbing kids both the CDC And FDA says should NOT be and cannot be legally?! Are you?! Are you seriously advocating that?!
Not triggered, you're just advocating doing things against not just CDC and FDA recommendations, but illegal for medical professionals (and even parents) to do.
You’re an anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorist. You trash vaccines. The next vaccine that comes out will be trashed by you as well. And the next. That’s what anti-vaxxers doNot triggered, you're just advocating doing things against not just CDC and FDA recommendations, but illegal for medical professionals (and even parents) to do.
And when the CDC tells you to lock down and stay home for another year, you'll comply.You’re an anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorist. You trash vaccines. The next vaccine that comes out will be trashed by you as well. And the next. That’s what anti-vaxxers do
No. I’ll punch you in the faceAnd when the CDC tells you to lock down and stay home for another year, you'll comply.
So parents should get kids under 12 vaccinated with Pfizer?Let the damn parents get their kids vaccinated
And when the CDC tells you to lock down and stay home for another year, you'll comply.
Blame, deflection, control, telling others what to do ... despite the fact that I have over 50 examples now of you being utterly ignorant of actual information.No. I’ll punch you in the face
You’re an anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorist. You trash vaccines. The next vaccine that comes out will be trashed by you as well. And the next. That’s what anti-vaxxers doSo parents should get kids under 12 vaccinated with Pfizer?
You do realize Pfizer has not even sought FDA approval for 16+ yet?
Or under 18 with non-Pfizer vaccines?
Screw the FDA?! They're idiots? CDC too?!
You have 50 self-twisted and self-misinterpreted examples.Blame, deflection, control, telling others what to do ... despite the fact that I have over 50 examples now of you being utterly ignorant of actual information.
No, you’re not. You’re wearing a mask 50 hours a week because the public feels a false sense of safety in masks and your company doesn’t want to get sued by your family if you get sick and die. Vaccine or no vaccines, the policymakers are pushing masking regardless, so nothing anyone on this board is going to do will get that off of you.Because you guys are a bunch of morons.
Can’t teach stupid
Vaccines work. No vaccines are so 1346
I’m wearing a mask 50 hours a week because of you idiots. 16 months
UCF plays road games too in cities that definitely would put restrictions in. Additionally, Florida is not doing great with vaccinationsZero chance in Florida we are going back to lockdowns. People did get vaccinated. You're acting like nobody is willing to get vaccinated.
I mean take it or not. Now we have celebrities pushing the vaccine while worshipping dementia man and fraudci. We have a push for door to door like something out of nazi Germany. We have lotteries for taking the vaccine. At some point you're just being creepy with a vaccine. Worshipping fauci isn't a good look. Having a random celebrity wearing a $15k suit doesn't relate to 16 year olds that barely will get any impact from covid.
Zero chance in Florida we are going back to lockdowns. People did get vaccinated. You're acting like nobody is willing to get vaccinated.
I don't even bother reading most of the anti-vaxxer crap posted here. Not only is it ridiculous, it's dangerous.Yeah, trying to make sure people are healthy is almost the exact same thing as rounding up people to murder them. Great analysis.
48.5% of total population, No kids under 12 are being done and they shouldn't be done. I don't think anyone under 18 should be vaccinated. There are real heart issues with that group taking the vaccines, and the risk from Wuhan is tiny. I took the shots understanding the risk pro and con. I am healthy, but over weight, and turn 66 in a few days. On top of the # who are vaccinated is likely another 30 to 60 million who have had the virus, have the antibodies, and are of no more risk than those who have had the shots. I am not anti vax, but I would not tell my daughter to run in and give an experimental vaccine to my grandkids who all are under the age of 12.I honestly think that your brain isn’t wired correctly. You’re too fukced up in the head to make a concise point. You’re all over the place. Writing a lot makes you LESS KNOWLEDGEABLE. It’s a very very bad look for you @UCFBS. This is why you can’t hold down a job
Doses given Fully vaccinated % of population fully vaccinated 334M
334,000,000159M
159,000,00048.5%
I just can’t believe the stupidity. It’s incomprehensible. Moat posters aren’t even respondingI don't even bother reading most of the anti-vaxxer crap posted here. Not only is it ridiculous, it's dangerous.
We're blessed with scientists who were able to produce life-saving vaccines in record time. We are also blessed to live in a country where the vaccines are readily available and where we have the very-real chance to develop herd immunity and get our economy back to running full-steam ahead while the rest of the world is still grappling with it.
But, of course, we've got a bunch of idiots sowing seeds of doubt resulting in a huge cross-section of people remaining vulnerable to the aggressive new COVID-19 variants. In the immortal words of Forrest Gump: Stupid is as stupid does.
I don't even bother reading most of the anti-vaxxer crap posted here. Not only is it ridiculous, it's dangerous.
We're blessed with scientists who were able to produce life-saving vaccines in record time. We are also blessed to live in a country where the vaccines are readily available and where we have the very-real chance to develop herd immunity and get our economy back to running full-steam ahead while the rest of the world is still grappling with it.
But, of course, we've got a bunch of idiots sowing seeds of doubt resulting in a huge cross-section of people remaining vulnerable to the aggressive new COVID-19 variants. In the immortal words of Forrest Gump: Stupid is as stupid does.
Incorrect. There is no higher risk from the vaccine than catching COVID IN ANY AGE GROUP. Better brush up on your “heart issues” data.There are real heart issues with that group taking the vaccines,
48.5% of total population, No kids under 12 are being done and they shouldn't be done. I don't think anyone under 18 should be vaccinated. There are real heart issues with that group taking the vaccines, and the risk from Wuhan is tiny. I took the shots understanding the risk pro and con. I am healthy, but over weight, and turn 66 in a few days. On top of the # who are vaccinated is likely another 30 to 60 million who have had the virus, have the antibodies, and are of no more risk than those who have had the shots. I am not anti vax, but I would not tell my daughter to run in and give an experimental vaccine to my grandkids who all are under the age of 12.
Fat and stupid is no way to live lifean experimental vaccine