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[Cubs79]

Do we know the percentages of people that are vaccinated vs unvaccinated getting symptoms or dying, along with the percentages of the cases that are the Delta variant?

That's my entire issue with this whole thing. Without actual reported numbers all we have to go by is assumptions on 2 or 3 different variables.

Its like 99% or so of people being hospitalized are unvaxxed.

 

[Crazyhole]

Its like 99% or so of people being hospitalized are unvaxxed.

Which strain do they have?

 

[hemightbejeremy]

Its like 99% or so of people being hospitalized are unvaxxed.

Advent health reported 94%. However of the 6% the majority were there for a condition unrelated and tested positive or were immunocompromised. It’s documented that the vaccine is ineffective for around 50% of immunocompromised people.

 

[Cubs79]

Which strain do they have?

I would say the majority have delta, but why does it matter? It is clear whatever strain is far worse for unvaxxed than vaxxed.

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

We just don’t know…

The rallying cry of the the chuds...

 

[Crazyhole]

I would say the majority have delta, but why does it matter? It is clear whatever strain is far worse for unvaxxed than vaxxed.

Well it matters a lot. If we knew, we could have a better idea of how effective the original shot was against each strain so we could tell which cases are "breakthrough" cases. That would tell us if the Delta variant is evading the vaccine or just affecting unvaccinated people, and how deadly it is for them.

 

[Cubs79]

Well it matters a lot. If we knew, we could have a better idea of how effective the original shot was against each strain so we could tell which cases are "breakthrough" cases. That would tell us if the Delta variant is evading the vaccine or just affecting unvaccinated people, and how deadly it is for them.

We know it isnt evading the vaccine or more vaxxed people would be hospitalized. IT isnt hard to figure out when almost all hospitalizations are unvaxxed people, that obviously the vaccine is offering a great deal of protection.

 

[Crazyhole]

We know it isnt evading the vaccine or more vaxxed people would be hospitalized. IT isnt hard to figure out when almost all hospitalizations are unvaxxed people, that obviously the vaccine is offering a great deal of protection.

Then why the talk of vaccinated people needing booster shots and mask mandates and blah blah blah? Why can't this be simple: get the shot and you're good to go, don't get it and you might die. Now that you know the risks and recommendations, it's in your own hands. We'll update you if something changes.

 

[sk8knight]

The Mayo study also says this:
There has been no data so far that at has found either vaccine's protection against severe disease and death is significantly less against Delta, and the study notes that there doesn't appear to be much of a difference in complications stemming from breakthrough infections based on which vaccine someone got

Basically it just shows the vaccines (mostly Pfizer) doesnt stop you from catching it as much, but still appears to prevent serious illness or death. I wouldnt really call that waning.

Dude, having no data doesn’t mean that the trend isn’t there nor does it mean it’s there. They probably didn’t even look at it and included that statement to stem off public uproar.

 

[Cubs79]

Then why the talk of vaccinated people needing booster shots and mask mandates and blah blah blah? Why can't this be simple: get the shot and you're good to go, don't get it and you might die. Now that you know the risks and recommendations, it's in your own hands. We'll update you if something changes.

Because boosters might be needed at some point, that is true of many vaccines.

 

[Crazyhole]

Really only 1 number matters to demonstrate the level of panic porn involved in this thing: 551 million tests performed. It's insanity.

 

[Cubs79]

Dude, having no data doesn’t mean that the trend isn’t there nor does it mean it’s there. They probably didn’t even look at it and included that statement to stem off public uproar.

"Our observational study highlights that while both mRNA COVID-19 vaccines strongly protect against infection and severe disease, further evaluation of mechanisms underlying differences in their effectiveness such as dosing regimens and vaccine composition are warranted."

 

[Cubs79]

Really only 1 number matters to demonstrate the level of panic porn involved in this thing: 551 million tests performed. It's insanity.

So do you not believe the news and hospitals? Do you think they are lying about the sudden surge in hospitalizations and cases?

 

[Cubs79]

Maybe fudging the unvaccinated hospitalizations rate but we will never know. They can't even post covid infections without lying.

Got ya, just a big ole conspiracy.

 

[Cubs79]

Have you heard an outcry of the current regime to find out the origins of covid? 🤔

Covid is clearly real but it is being used for political gain, government control, and big tech wants the fear to continue.

Pretty sure that is being investigated, but that still doesnt change the fact it is here and we have to deal with it.

Just reported today, Rand Paul's wife just happened to buy stock in a covid treatment last February, so if that is your conspiracy then maybe I can run with the idea that anti-maskers like Paul are profiting by it being around. See how that works?

 

[Crazyhole]

So do you not believe the news and hospitals? Do you think they are lying about the sudden surge in hospitalizations and cases?

I'm saying that fear is driving this thing. 551 million tests and only 6.7% of them were positive, and some were probably on the same person multiple times. The media has made people so paranoid that they get tested out of fear, not because they have symptoms.

 

[UCF11and1]

I'm saying that fear is driving this thing. 551 million tests and only 6.7% of them were positive, and some were probably on the same person multiple times. The media has made people so paranoid that they get tested out of fear, not because they have symptoms.

Isn’t 6.7% of 551M equal to 37M positives? That’s about 10% of the US population

 

[Crazyhole]

Isn’t 6.7% of 551M equal to 37M positives? That’s about 10% of the US population

Yeah. It means that 93.3% of the tests administered wouldn't have been because you don't normally go get tested for something if you don't show symptoms of. We just went insane from the fear. I've got it now and got tested, but that's only because I became sick.

 

[UCF11and1]

Yeah. It means that 93.3% of the tests administered wouldn't have been because you don't normally go get tested for something if you don't show symptoms of. We just went insane from the fear. I've got it now and got tested, but that's only because I became sick.

Did your wife and kids get tested to check if they caught it too?

 

[Crazyhole]

Did your wife and kids get tested to check if they caught it too?

Kids are grown and no wife. Not going down that road again.

 

[sk8knight]

Isn’t 6.7% of 551M equal to 37M positives? That’s about 10% of the US population

If each positive test was a unique person but we know that’s not the case.

 

[Cubs79]

Lol at Rand Paul bought stock in Gilead in February 2020 before they even had a covid treatment. One of the largest bio tech companies that most diversified portfolios own. Stock has done nothing in the last year. This isn't a Pelosi visa stock scenario. If he invested in Moderna in Feb 2020 then maybe you could question that.

That isn't how conspiracies work, I am just playing your game. HE also didn't disclose he bought it until 16 months later, when legally he is required to do so in 45 days (so really, you don't know what else, if anything he bought).