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[UCFBS]

Isreal disagrees...but yeah if we constantly do 3 month shots we could reduce hospitalizations but it isn't going to be practical.

If we even he updated spike proteins at all. Re-applying SARS-CoV-2 Wuhan-1 over and over won't help, and Maker help us if it actually hurts.

That's why the Pfizer CEO was despised by many in July for pure marketing. He's actually increasing risk by being a penny pincher. The promise of mRNA was fast, flexible updates.

But too many Americans either think they don't have to be or, worse, think the 3rd shot is any different than the 2nd. At least Moderna's CEO isn't off spouting like Pfizer's, let alone looks to be the ones who will be updating theirs first.

We'll see.

 

[Crazyhole]

If we even he updated spike proteins at all. Re-applying SARS-CoV-2 Wuhan-1 over and over won't help, and Maker help us if it actually hurts.

That's why the Pfizer CEO was despised by many in July for pure marketing. He's actually increasing risk by being a penny pincher. The promise of mRNA was fast, flexible updates.

But too many Americans either think they don't have to be or, worse, think the 3rd shot is any different than the 2nd. At least Moderna's CEO isn't off spouting like Pfizer's, let alone looks to be the ones who will be updating theirs first.

We'll see.

That's what I don't understand about the push for an additional booster. You don't get the same flu shot every year, they adjust it to protect against the new variant.

 

[UCFKnight85]

Is the waning efficacy. They have to give the constant boosters or there is little protection. It isn't variant specific yet.

There was ALWAYS the opinion that a booster would be required - they just didn't know how soon after the 2nd. It's going to happen a little quicker than they already anticipated. This is not a new concept. I remember in December 2020, Scott Gottleib was already talking about the likelihood of needing a booster for Winter 2021.

Based upon real world studies of the huge level of robust antibodies generated from the 3rd shot, there's discussion as to whether or not any further booster would be required unless there's a mutation that truly evades the vaccine. At which point they'll develop a variant specific vaccine and distribute.

 

[Ucfmikes]

Which is why there's not much hope for America with this 'point'n blame' followed by 3rd grader logic.

It's like the playground all over again, utterly devoid of not just educated knowledge from a conflict-driven media, but a darth of any practice of the Golden Rule.

And thus the American experiment draws to a close.

If we even he updated spike proteins at all. Re-applying SARS-CoV-2 Wuhan-1 over and over won't help, and Maker help us if it actually hurts.

That's why the Pfizer CEO was despised by many in July for pure marketing. He's actually increasing risk by being a penny pincher. The promise of mRNA was fast, flexible updates.

But too many Americans either think they don't have to be or, worse, think the 3rd shot is any different than the 2nd. At least Moderna's CEO isn't off spouting like Pfizer's, let alone looks to be the ones who will be updating theirs first.

We'll see.

So… how many people do you think that you indirectly murdered today?

THE BUTCHER OF THE WATER COOLER strikes again. You know that you have blood on your hands, right?

You talk like someone from the 14th century. Way before vaccines were thought about

 

[Crazyhole]

Vaccines just allow people that aren't smart enough to protect themselves naturally to live. They make for a weaker, dumber herd that has no survival instincts.

 

[UCF11and1]

For what I understand they select the most likely variants to be active that season and mix them up (5 or 6 out of 20-30 possible or something like that). I don’t know if there is a difference on the vaccine for a flu type from one year to the next

 

[UCFBS]

Based upon real world studies of the huge level of robust antibodies generated from the 3rd shot,

Antibodies against what though? SARS-CoV-2 Wuhan-1 and Alpha, or also Delta and Lambda as well?

there's discussion as to whether or not any further booster would be required unless there's a mutation that truly evades the vaccine. At which point they'll develop a variant specific vaccine and distribute.

Isn't that what the problem with Delta is all about?! And even Lambda to a lesser extent?

The whole promise of mRNA vaccines were supposed to be about updating them, not just using the same, original shot over and over and over again.

This is all over the pubs and authorities, and how we're greatly increasing risk by not updating them.

 

[UCFBS]

That's what I don't understand about the push for an additional booster. You don't get the same flu shot every year, they adjust it to protect against the new variant.

Exactly. And this was the promise of mRNA too ... faster and cheaper updates to vaccines.

Is the waning efficacy. They have to give the constant boosters or there is little protection. It isn't variant specific yet.

But you're utterly ignoring SARS-CoV-2 Wuhan-1 Spike Protein results against SARS-CoV-2 Delta and Lambda viruses.

 

[Ucfmikes]

Vaccines just allow people that aren't smart enough to protect themselves naturally to live. They make for a weaker, dumber herd that has no survival instincts.

Without vaccines you would be dead and no one would miss your stupidity

 

[Crazyhole]

Without vaccines you would be dead and no one would miss your stupidity

Kind of like how your dad didn't miss you when he moved out when you were 4?

 

[Ucfmikes]

Kind of like how your dad didn't miss you when he moved out when you were 4?

No.., kind of like how your cheeks will look like @UCFBS when you get the mumps. Ya know., that disease that you get vaccinated for

 

[Crazyhole]

No.., kind of like how your cheeks will look like @UCFBS when you get the mumps. Ya know., that disease that you get vaccinated for

Nobody will miss my stupidity like how my cheeks will look when I get the mumps which I am vaccinated for?


You seriously have an IQ of 14 if that's the best you can do.

 

[Ucfmikes]

Nobody will miss my stupidity like how my cheeks will look when I get the mumps which I am vaccinated for?


You seriously have an IQ of 14 if that's the best you can do.

You don’t have an IQ. You have shit for brains. IQ=0. Do you know why you’re not getting mumps? Because you’re vaccinated dumb ass. Go get your mumps booster, right after your immunology class is over. 😂

 

[Crazyhole]

You don’t have an IQ. You have shit for brains. IQ=0. Do you know why you’re not getting mumps? Because you’re vaccinated dumb ass. Go get your mumps booster, right after your immunology class is over. 😂

Yeah. Ha ha. Im totally owned again. I'm so ashamed.

 

[Ucfmikes]

Yeah. Ha ha. Im totally owned again. I'm so ashamed.

Dude.., you’re a loser. You have no friends. Get a job or a girlfriend.

 

[Ucfmikes]

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Shit for brains are at it again. Looks like unvaccinated employees are killing their residents and the retards are preaching to their murderers

 

[Ucfmikes]

A buddy of mine was vaccinated and wound up in the hospital with covid a few weeks back. 🤷‍♂️

Did he die?

 

[Ucfmikes]

So now getting vaccinated isn't enough. You have to still blame someone else. How much lower can the bar go? Next is the vaccinated are not on their 3rd shot and double masked.

You don’t understand vaccines, especially these vaccines. We have explained this to you so many times, but your shit for brain capacity can’t absorb anything but toilet paper. You’re too obsessed with politics

 

[Crazyhole]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Shit for brains are at it again. Looks like unvaccinated employees are killing their residents and the retards are preaching to their murderers

Killing? I thought the vaccine was supposed to prevent that.

 

[Ucfmikes]

Killing? I thought the vaccine was supposed to prevent that.

Nope troll. Just wake up? Unvaccinated people are murdering the unvaccinated.

There is a 6-25% failure rate, variants, the vaccines wearing off, risk factors, other concomitant medical problems, etc. However, I would not expect someone who bangs goats to understand this.

Did they all die? How many did not get COVID? When did they get vaccinated? Which one?

 

[Crazyhole]

Nope troll. Just wake up? Unvaccinated people are murdering the unvaccinated.

There is a 6-25% failure rate, variants, the vaccines wearing off, risk factors, other concomitant medical problems, etc. However, I would not expect someone who bangs goats to understand this.

Did they all die? How many did not get COVID? When did they get vaccinated? Which one?

6-25% failure rate? Take your anti-vaxx bullshit back to the 14th century. You're killing people.

 

[Ucfmikes]

6-25% failure rate? Take your anti-vaxx bullshit back to the 14th century. You're killing people.

You’re anti-vaxx 14th century BS would wipe out civilization, however, cockroaches would survive. You’ll be just fine.

 

[DaShuckster]

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My reaction to KNIGHTTIME's 'expose'':

1. The vaccine's primary function is to prevent hospitalization and death from COVID. It was never intended to be marketed as a full-proof shield against testing positive.
2. Since those who tested positive were residents of a long-term care facility, they were likely among the first to get their shots. We know now that a booster is likely to be required given that we're STILL dealing with a high percentage of the population who are not vaccinated.
3. Given the crap we've learned about hospital employees refusing to get the shot, who's to say if all the nurses and staff there are vaccinated.
4. Continuing to focus on breakthrough cases while ignoring the elephant in the room is beyond ridiculous.

 

[DaShuckster]

#2 is the correct answer Alex. The folks in long term facilities are in the middle of their waning immunity with the vaccine. My exact beef the last month and not "anti" vax.

Heeeeeeellllllooooooo. We have people here acting like waning immunity is some God-awful FAIL.

As a UNMC surgeon said to my club yesterday, it's no shocker that vaccines often require boosters. Its the way they work.

 

[Ucfmikes]

3. Given the crap we've learned about hospital employees refusing to get the shot, who's to say if all the nurses and staff there are vaccinated.

This! Although it’s a lot easier just to call him a shit for brains

 

[Ucfmikes]

Heeeeeeellllllooooooo. We have people here acting like waning immunity is some God-awful FAIL.

As a UNMC surgeon said to my club yesterday, it's no shocker that vaccines often require boosters. Its the way they work.

But, but, but natural immunity last forever even from variants. Can’t I just see what happens said every unvaccinated COVID patient pushing up daisies

 

[UCFKnight85]

Nobody thought they would be starting a serious decline in less than 3 months. The bar is now it's better than nothing. That's fine if it is what it is, but it can be disappointing and not be anti vax.

We always knew a booster would be required and it only seems “low” after 6-8 months since these vaccines are starting with an insane effectiveness level. A year ago we would have been happy with 60% effective but we ended up with vaccines that were 95% effective.

It reset the expectation but the vaccines are still incredible effective and have been proven out in real world data.

 

[Ucfmikes]

Nobody thought they would be starting a serious decline in less than 3 months. The bar is now it's better than nothing. That's fine if it is what it is, but it can be disappointing and not be anti vax.

Now it’s a decline in less than 3 months??? Are you talking about your mental capacity or the vaccines. “Not to be pro-vaxx”

 

[Crazyhole]

We always knew a booster would be required and it only seems “low” after 6-8 months since these vaccines are starting with an insane effectiveness level. A year ago we would have been happy with 60% effective but we ended up with vaccines that were 95% effective.

It reset the expectation but the vaccines are still incredible effective and have been proven out in real world data.

I don't remember anyone talking about the need for an additional booster shot until July. Originally they said the vaccines would produce long lasting immunity.

 

[DaShuckster]

It reset the expectation but the vaccines are still incredible effective and have been proven out in real world data.

Particularly given the variants that have surfaced since the vaccines were first developed.

Its the unvaccinated people that are giving these deadly variants life.

 

[Ucfmikes]

Mentions variants and booster shots in February of 2021

Booster Shots against Scary COVID Virus Variants Are in the Works

Vaccine makers are designing follow-up shots based on new mutations to keep the disease at bay

www.scientificamerican.com

 

[Crazyhole]

Mentions variants and booster shots in February of 2021

Booster Shots against Scary COVID Virus Variants Are in the Works

Vaccine makers are designing follow-up shots based on new mutations to keep the disease at bay

www.scientificamerican.com

Good read. I've said from the get-go that boosters make sense if they are retooled to focus on variants. If it's just another shot of the same formula, it brings up some questions.

 

[Ucfmikes]

Good read. I've said from the get-go that boosters make sense if they are retooled to focus on variants. If it's just another shot of the same formula, it brings up some questions.

Nobody is denying that we need better vaccines. That’s all we have for NOW

 

[Crazyhole]

Florida nurses feel helpless as so many people die of COVID

On this ward at Morton Plant Hospital, nurses are overwhelmed by the number of new, desperate cases.

www.tampabay.com

"About 40 percent of the beds in those facilities now are filled with COVID-19 cases. On this day, near the end of August, BayCare’s hospitals have 1,164 cases — 462 more than during the peak in July 2020, before there was a vaccine."

These numbers are problematic for myriad reasons and hard to reconcile with the narrative.

 

[sk8knight]

We always knew a booster would be required and it only seems “low” after 6-8 months since these vaccines are starting with an insane effectiveness level. A year ago we would have been happy with 60% effective but we ended up with vaccines that were 95% effective.

It reset the expectation but the vaccines are still incredible effective and have been proven out in real world data.

I agree with your sentiment but just want to point out that the efficacy of the vaccines had dropped to 60% due to the emergence of the delta variant before we could even get the first wave of shots distributed to all of those who wanted them. Still, getting something that had a significant effect out that quickly is unprecedented in the history of medicine.

 

[Ucfmikes]

Yeah...actually the decline starts about 2 weeks after the 2nd dose. They believe now is about upper 80s to 90% at the peak. At 3 months the efficacy drops to 78%.

That’s pretty damn good if you ask me. Show me the study that you didn’t read fully though. However, I can tell you that the initial drop is negligible as it pertains to real life situations and not isolated studies from Israel that also say a booster brings it back up significantly

 

[Crazyhole]

Estimated US Infection- and Vaccine-Induced SARS-CoV-2 Seroprevalence Based on Blood Donations, July 2020-May 2021

This study estimates trends in SARS-CoV-2 seroprevalence related to infection and vaccination in the US population.

jamanetwork.com

83% of American adults have immunity to covid. WTAF?