OL

[Psycho Jim]

Looking at the performance in the last few games, OL is our biggest need and signing day didn't fix it enough.

JRP has the speed to evade guys when the pocket breaks down, but the amount of time he has to do anything has dropped through.
JRP's speed covers up a number of problems with the OL

This was most evident when TC was taking snaps and he had no time to do much.

We are in trouble next year if this is not fixed.

 

[Guinness_Knight]

Unfortunately, JRP doesn’t have the pocket awareness or QB skills to work under anything but perfect pocket scenarios. His speed is incredible, but his overall qb skills aren’t very good.

 

[Terrorizzertz]

Alot of tines while trying to evade JRP runs right into defender trying to find someone open instead of throwing away. Anyone know how long a qb should be able to hold onto the ball with a just a basic pass rush?

 

[Poolside Knight]

Alot of tines while trying to evade JRP runs right into defender trying to find someone open instead of throwing away. Anyone know how long a qb should be able to hold onto the ball with a just a basic pass rush?

there was a play where Bowser picked up the blitz and JRP ran straight into the pressure . zero football IQ

 

[Shark19]

Did you not see the 2 guys we picked up from the portal? A 1st team all-conference FRESHMAN from Kent St and a plug & play OT from Alabama with solid PT.

 

[Shark19]

there was a play where Bowser picked up the blitz and JRP ran straight into the pressure . zero football IQ

This kind of thing has become clear watching all these bowl games....competent to great QB play everywhere.

 

[beelit47]

there was a play where Bowser picked up the blitz and JRP ran straight into the pressure . zero football IQ

On the fourth down play he scrambled backwards first, then outran a defender to the sideline…while this was happening Alec Holler had slipped into a throwing lane about 5 yds past line to gain, but jrp didnt wven look his way and eventually threw a crappy ball to javon for 1 yard

 

[BlakNGoldAllDay]

Alot of tines while trying to evade JRP runs right into defender trying to find someone open instead of throwing away. Anyone know how long a qb should be able to hold onto the ball with a just a basic pass rush?

NFL is 4 seconds. Probably 5 for college which is a lot.

 

[Knight_Classes_begin_7pm]

there was a play where Bowser picked up the blitz and JRP ran straight into the pressure . zero football IQ

agree. Just not there.

 

[Knight_Classes_begin_7pm]

On the fourth down play he scrambled backwards first, then outran a defender to the sideline…while this was happening Alec Holler had slipped into a throwing lane about 5 yds past line to gain, but jrp didnt wven look his way and eventually threw a crappy ball to javon for 1 yard

Yeah, he's not QB smart for our level of football.

 

[Psycho Jim]

NFL is 4 seconds. Probably 5 for college which is a lot.

We were getting less than 2 on many plays

 

[hemightbejeremy]

OL grades well by PFF. Our QB has no pocket presence.

 

[AuburnLegacy_1]

OL grades well by PFF. Our QB has no pocket presence.

2022 COLLEGE FOOTBALL OFFENSIVE LINE STATS | Football Outsiders

Updated through end of season, 1/10/23

www.footballoutsiders.com

The numbers don't lie. The only area where the OLinenen were terrible was allowing sacks.

I don't get all these people trashing the OL. I thought this was one of Herb Hand's greatest coaching jobs of the last 10 seasons.

The QB always gets the blame, but in this case, JRP's deserves almost all the blame for the offensive debacles in 2022.

 

[hemightbejeremy]

2022 COLLEGE FOOTBALL OFFENSIVE LINE STATS | Football Outsiders

Updated through end of season, 1/10/23

www.footballoutsiders.com

The numbers don't lie. The only area where the OLinenen were terrible was allowing sacks.

I don't get all these people trashing the OL. I thought this was one of Herb Hand's greatest coaching jobs of the last 10 seasons.

The QB always gets the blame, but in this case, JRP's deserves almost all the blame for the offensive debacles in 2022.

Yeah. Sack rate is influenced by a QB running into sacks rather than feeling the pocket. PFF actually grades the individuals rather than blanket attribution of sacks to the OL.

 

[beelit47]

2022 COLLEGE FOOTBALL OFFENSIVE LINE STATS | Football Outsiders

Updated through end of season, 1/10/23

www.footballoutsiders.com

The numbers don't lie. The only area where the OLinenen were terrible was allowing sacks.

I don't get all these people trashing the OL. I thought this was one of Herb Hand's greatest coaching jobs of the last 10 seasons.

The QB always gets the blame, but in this case, JRP's deserves almost all the blame for the offensive debacles in 2022.

And alot of those sacks were bc jrp ran into the DE setting the edge. Just absolute clueless qb play

 

[Oldest Man]

And alot of those sacks were bc jrp ran into the DE setting the edge. Just absolute clueless qb play

This^^^ and whoever is the OC for us next year had better teach the QB how to be a pocket passer. Running should be an added benefit, not the primary focus of our QB.

 

[muckdawg24]

Nailed it. It's a tool box move to keep the defense honest, not too lean on as a crutch.

 

[SimpleJack53]

If all of this us true then we just need a QB coach. Gus ran DG and MK out of town he needs to have an answer. Gus thinks JRP is TCUs QB.

Gus should have changed his offense just a little and kept DG slinging it and we likely are in the Cotton Bowl this year with another CCG win too.

We have a head coach it is up to him to find the right QB coach and QB

 

[Guinness_Knight]

This^^^ and whoever is the OC for us next year had better teach the QB how to be a pocket passer. Running should be an added benefit, not the primary focus of our QB.

💯

 

[AuburnLegacy_1]

If all of this us true then we just need a QB coach. Gus ran DG and MK out of town he needs to have an answer. Gus thinks JRP is TCUs QB.

Gus should have changed his offense just a little and kept DG slinging it and we likely are in the Cotton Bowl this year with another CCG win too.

We have a head coach it is up to him to find the right QB coach and QB

UCF needs to hit on Marcellus Marshall and Amari Kight because the Knights lose Ryan Swoboda and Samuel Jackson. Both will be drafted or sign undrafted free agent contracts.

Ideally, Matt Lee, Ed Collins (Super Senior), and Tylan Grable (Super Senior) return; Nate Brady returns and solidifies the reserve center spot behind Lee; and Cameron Kinnie and Josh Harris (Super Senior) returns to spell both guard positions.

Given all those things happen ...

Kight will start at LT and Grable will move over to RT where his athleticism will be better utilized in the run game. Marshall will start at left guard and Lokahi Pauole at right guard. With Kinnie, Harris, Adrian Medley, Paul Rubelt, Miguel Maldonado, Nate Brady, Collins, and others as reserves, UCF would have the deepest, most experienced offensive line in the Big12.

Unfortunately, Grable could declare. Collins and Harris could give up football. We'll have to wait and see.

 

[KnightLife1]

UCF needs to hit on Marcellus Marshall and Amari Kight because the Knights lose Ryan Swoboda and Samuel Jackson. Both will be drafted or sign undrafted free agent contracts.

Ideally, Matt Lee, Ed Collins (Super Senior), and Tylan Grable (Super Senior) return; Nate Brady returns and solidifies the reserve center spot behind Lee; and Cameron Kinnie and Josh Harris (Super Senior) returns to spell both guard positions.

Given all those things happen ...

Kight will start at LT and Grable will move over to RT where his athleticism will be better utilized in the run game. Marshall will start at left guard and Lokahi Pauole at right guard. With Kinnie, Harris, Aaron Medley, Paul Rubelt, Miguel Maldonado, Nate Brady, Collins, and others as reserves, UCF would have the deepest, most experienced offensive line in the Big12.

Unfortunately, Grable could declare. Collins and Harris could give up football. We'll have to wait and see.

Agreed except I think Marshall starts at right tackle and Medley should get the nod at left guard. Don't think that Marshall is leaving a starting position to come here as a backup.

 

[KnightLife1]

Looking at the performance in the last few games, OL is our biggest need and signing day didn't fix it enough.

JRP has the speed to evade guys when the pocket breaks down, but the amount of time he has to do anything has dropped through.
JRP's speed covers up a number of problems with the OL

This was most evident when TC was taking snaps and he had no time to do much.

We are in trouble next year if this is not fixed.

With the two very good OTs that we picked up in the portal I believe it has largely been fixed, especially if Medley comes back healthy next season.

Medley was pretty much flawless when he subbed for Cole Schneider in '21 when Schneider was hurt for a couple of games. I believe it was Medley's preseason injury this year that required Jackson to move from right tackle to left guard. I'm really looking forward/ hoping for Medley's healthy return. He has earned the opportunity.

 

[AuburnLegacy_1]

Agreed except I think Marshall starts at right tackle and Medley should get the nod at left guard. Don't think that Marshall is leaving a starting position to come here as a backup.

With the two very good OTs that we picked up in the portal I believe it has largely been fixed, especially if Medley comes back healthy next season.

Medley was pretty much flawless when he subbed for Cole Schneider in '21 when Schneider was hurt for a couple of games. I believe it was Medley's preseason injury this year that required Jackson to move from right tackle to left guard. I'm really looking forward/ hoping for Medley's healthy return. He has earned the opportunity.

I thought Medley sucked. I am saying UCF will move Marshall inside if Grable returns.

First Team
LT Kight
LG Marshall
C Lee
RG Pauole
RT Grable

Second Team
LT Collins
LG Kinnie/Medley
C Brady
RG Harris
RT Rubelt

 

[KnightLife1]

I thought Medley sucked. I am saying UCF will move Marshall inside if Grable returns.

First Team
LT Kight
LG Marshall
C Lee
RG Pauole
RT Grable

Second Team
LT Collins
LG Kinnie/Medley
C Brady
RG Harris
RT Rubelt

We can agree to disagree. We'll see. Either way, I just hope we have a more potent line and offense in '23.

 

[AuburnLegacy_1]

We can agree to disagree. We'll see. Either way, I just hope we have a more potent line and offense in '23.

My depth chart is my ideal senerio.

What I think will happen is Grable will get a fourth round grade and declare. Matt Lee *should* turn pro. He has nothing left to prove IMO. The only reason he would return is to win the Remington award. Ed Collins will probably give up football.

Reshuffling the lineup leads to a depth chart like this ...

First Team
LT Kight
LG Medley/Harris
C Kinnie
RG Pauole
RT Marshall/Rubelt

That's a cluster*ck.

 

[U C to the F]

Pr

OL grades well by PFF. Our QB has no pocket presence.

MK was sacked a lot when he played also.

 

[beelit47]

UCF needs to hit on Marcellus Marshall and Amari Kight because the Knights lose Ryan Swoboda and Samuel Jackson. Both will be drafted or sign undrafted free agent contracts.

Ideally, Matt Lee, Ed Collins (Super Senior), and Tylan Grable (Super Senior) return; Nate Brady returns and solidifies the reserve center spot behind Lee; and Cameron Kinnie and Josh Harris (Super Senior) returns to spell both guard positions.

Given all those things happen ...

Kight will start at LT and Grable will move over to RT where his athleticism will be better utilized in the run game. Marshall will start at left guard and Lokahi Pauole at right guard. With Kinnie, Harris, Adrian Medley, Paul Rubelt, Miguel Maldonado, Nate Brady, Collins, and others as reserves, UCF would have the deepest, most experienced offensive line in the Big12.

Unfortunately, Grable could declare. Collins and Harris could give up football. We'll have to wait and see.

Have u seen grable play this year? Him declaring would be like me declaring im available to hot 21 yr old blondes on tinder. Neither means squat

 

[Shark19]

Have u seen grable play this year? Him declaring would be like me declaring im available to hot 21 yr old blondes on tinder. Neither means squat

With enough money, you'll pull plenty of hot 21 year old blondes.

 

[hemightbejeremy]

Pr

MK was sacked a lot when he played also.

Due to OL play? I think the game with sack issues was when navy blitzed an extra guy off the edge and he was left untouched. Pretty sure it’s the TE or RB responsibility to pick up the blitzer.

 

[tjb74]

My depth chart is my ideal senerio.

What I think will happen is Grable will get a fourth round grade and declare. Matt Lee *should* turn pro. He has nothing left to prove IMO. The only reason he would return is to win the Remington award. Ed Collins will probably give up football.

Reshuffling the lineup leads to a depth chart like this ...

First Team
LT Kight
LG Medley/Harris
C Kinnie
RG Pauole
RT Marshall/Rubelt

That's a cluster*ck.

Matt Lee to the portal, cluster*ck has just entered the room.

 

[AuburnLegacy_1]

Matt Lee to the portal, cluster*ck has just entered the room.

Clusterf*ck indeed. Lee must be thinking that Gus/Hand aren't preparing him for the NFL or he cannot win the Remington award at UCF.

 

[Poolside Knight]

last place in the Big 12 if we don’t figure out this OLine

This is a bad look for Gus and Hand

 

[KnightLife1]

last place in the Big 12 if we don’t figure out this OLine

This is a bad look for Gus and Hand

Looks can be deceiving.

 

[KnightLife1]

Clusterf*ck indeed. Lee must be thinking that Gus/Hand aren't preparing him for the NFL or he cannot win the Remington award at UCF.

Or that Gus has recently met with him and advised that there is an incoming transfer experienced center who weighs a lot more than 295 lbs.

 

[BlakNGoldAllDay]

Or that Gus has recently met with him and advised that there is an incoming transfer experienced center who weighs a lot more than 295 lbs.

Why doesn’t he bring in a QB that can throw and have a meeting with JRP?

 

[KnightLife1]

Why doesn’t he bring in a QB that can throw and have a meeting with JRP?

He just might. Time, i.e. the next few months of the off season, can answer that better than any of us.

 

[Gwoz]

Why doesn’t he bring in a QB that can throw and have a meeting with JRP?

Gus is so strategic, the Duke loss was on purpose to make everyone in the B12 think the team stinks and catch them by surprise in 2023.

 

[Cfb.npc]

Or that Gus has recently met with him and advised that there is an incoming transfer experienced center who weighs a lot more than 295 lbs.

Crack head take. You don't have a meeting like that with a two-time all conference legacy player.

 

[KnightLife1]

Crackhead take. You don't have a meeting like that with a two-time all conference legacy player.

Apparently you know crackheads better than I do. Go smoke.