We wouldn't have anything to fear from russia in a Bernie presidency because they wouldn't need to do anything. He'd be doing their wishes willingly.
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We wouldn't have anything to fear from russia in a Bernie presidency because they wouldn't need to do anything. He'd be doing their wishes willingly.
Yea, I'm sure the guy who adored the mass murdering communists running the USSR will be real tough on Russia.
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Hell, I bet him and Putin crossed paths during his honeymooning and vacationing over there. I bet they even shared a beer together to talk about how awesome a centrally planned economy can be.
This is the thing that has always been dismaying about DaShuckster's conspiracy theory. Communist Russians and Soviets have been courting the Democrats (and Hollywood) since the early 1900's. The socialist party of the early 1900's folded into the Democratic Party. McCarthy aside, they never left. Russians were YUGE contributors to the Clinton Foundations. Then, if you look at the actual policies between this administration and the last and take the names off of them, it is blatantly clear that the Obama administration was FAR more "friendly" to the Russians than the Trump administration; and I'm not just talking about the "hot mic" moment when Obama told Medvedev that he could be more flexible after the pending election.
Yet in Shuckster's world, Trump is the Russian toadie. And he calls people who disagree stupid and crazy and worse. There's a word for that... what was that again?
Post of the Day!
Apparently you need a serious reality check. The majority of Americans - and the rest of the free world - live in "Shuckster's World," not yours.
If you couldn't gaslight, what would you do?Post of the Day!
Apparently you need a serious reality check. The majority of Americans - and the rest of the free world - live in "Shuckster's World," not yours.
All the interactions between the Trump campaign and Russia was a hoax???!? They never happened???
Tell us again who is the one here engaging in gaslighting?
There's a universe of difference between "interactions" and being a "Russian toadie."All the interactions between the Trump campaign and Russia was a hoax???!? They never happened???
Tell us again who is the one here engaging in gaslighting?
Also, not surprising that you'd resort to the "nuh uh, you are" defense.
All the interactions between the Trump campaign and Russia was a hoax???!? They never happened???
Tell us again who is the one here engaging in gaslighting?
Obama allied himself with Putin. Bush allied himself with Putin. Clinton aided Yeltsin. Bush1 worked hand in hand with Russia as they moved away from communism. Reagan had open channels with Gorbachev. Why now is an alliance with Russia so dangerous? Did something change? We have a 34 year history of not seeing russia as an existential threat as trumps 4 predecessors all agreed upon and the 5th opened communications. We greenlighted the sale of uranium rights to them just a few years ago.
Is russia really a danger to us and it wasn't apparent for 3 1/2 decades or did something change other than trump being elected?
Remember that it started at the nomination of Trump (or before), not after the election. The FBI set it's "insurance policy" in motion long before the election.
There's also a universe of difference when a Russian toadie calls the concerns with Russian interference a "Russia hoax."
It's a little hard to swallow "a hoax" that includes these "interactions":
- Paul Manaford, Trump's Campaign Manager, giving American polling data to the Russians.
- Michael Flynn convicted of lying about his interaction with the Russian Ambassador.
- George Papadopoulos convicted of lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russian agents.
- Roger Stone convicted of lying about serving as a go-between between the Trump Campaign and Russia-backed Wikileaks, the leaker of the hacked DNC emails.
- When pushed in Helsinki, Trump said he believed Putin over his own intelligency agencies that Russia wasn't involved in our elections.
Russias economy is based on hydrocarbons. Explain why, if trump is Putin's puppet, that we have completely upended the global oil market thanks to trump removing regulations that have led to a surge of US oil. Just point out how Russia has benefitted from trump being president in at least one way. Military influence over the middle east? That costs them money and resources. NATO nations expanding their investment into defense against Russia? Shutting down the Russian NG pipeline to Germany?
Your position is 100% contradicted by facts.
bernie easily be more of a russian toadie than trump. is that even up for debate? the guy wants to implement full blown socialism here.
if you hate how trump bows to russia now, why would you support bernie?
if you hate how trump bows to russia now, why would you support bernie?
All of those millions spent on investigating and this is all that came out of it and there was no actual evidence that the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians. You’ve got three charges for process crimes and one out-of-context in-the-moment statement. Hence, hoax.
I could have gone on for a lot longer but the dismissive way you've responded to the "interactions" I've highlighted here speaks volumes.
There is all kinds of evidence of Trump/Russia interactions, including the WikiLeaks leaks of Russian-hacked DNC emails. Yes, no smoking-gun direct collusion was uncovered. But try using a little common sense and explain this for us:
Why did the Trump Campaign have numerous interactions with Russia in the first place??? And then why did they initially lie about them?
If only we had a special investigation that could get to the bottom of those questions. Something with expert investigators and past FBI prosecutors and agent. Staff it with mostly Democrats so that there's no partisan interference. Have them interview hundreds of people and inspect thousands of documents and as much data as they can look at. Give them wide latitude to look at everything and utilize whatever charges they can as leverage because answering those questions is the most important thing in the world. Budget is no concern and we'll keep almost all of the external oversight away so that they can get to the absolute bottom of those questions. If we had an investigation like that, we can be assured that we will find something or we will put the questions to rest.
If only something like that had taken place...........
Any major party candidate is going to have interaction with a major foreign power prior to election and it would be reckless not to. Wouldn't you want a candidate with a 50% chance of being the next president to have some level of relationship with other countries before they take office? The Mueller report absolutely did not indicate that they lied about their interaction, it only created questions about what they talked about which showed that Russia had ill-imtentions, not the trump campaign.
Michael Flynn and George Papadopoulous were not convicted of lying about their interactions with Russia?
My answer is that it doesn't matter if I can answer that question. The investigation did not prove anything untoward happened and the volume of what it looked at pretty much means that it didn't happen. You just refuse to accept it.
he has a history of prejudging things before all the facts are in and then being unable to modify his opinion despite a mountain of evidence.
- calling fab a racist
- covington kids
- russian collusion
- claiming trump nefariously moved money from a dept to a golfing buddy, only to find out it was for emergency medical for kids.
- alabama woman shot while pregnant, claims racism even though shooter was also black.
- victim shaming an 8 year old
- hospital patient with iv being questioned outside the hospital by cops
- that time you claimed mcdonalds burger flippers made $4.85
- insisting betsy ross might be a racist.
- his take on george zimmerman
What a laughable response. Who's the one here refusing to accept it?
So two staffers convicted of lying.....a Trump adviser convicted of lying about his association with Russian-backed Wikileaks.....evidence a campaign manager, who is now a convicted felon, gives AMERICAN POLLING DATA to Russian agents.....and a President who ignores mountains of evidence of Russian interference in our 2016 election to publicly side with Putin.
All that means...(trumpet fanfare)...
"It didn't happen?"
Curious how you correlate a country that’s no longer communist with a person who identifies as a democratic socialist and has no ties (that I know of) to that country?
they used to be. bernie literally took his honeymoon in communist russia. he still believes in communist russia. putin is ex kgb and wants to restore russia to the power that is was. i can see him becoming a dictator and trying to restore the old system. is it that much of a leap? maybe im going too far down the rabit hole
Just because you repeat the same thing over and over again doesn’t give it any more weight. And those three things do not even come close in anybody’s mind but yours of proving that Trump is a Putin roadie.What a laughable response. Who's the one here refusing to accept it?
So two staffers convicted of lying.....a Trump adviser convicted of lying about his association with Russian-backed Wikileaks.....evidence a campaign manager, who is now a convicted felon, gives AMERICAN POLLING DATA to Russian agents.....and a President who ignores mountains of evidence of Russian interference in our 2016 election to publicly side with Putin.
All that means...(trumpet fanfare)...
"It didn't happen?"
Neither had anything to do with the campaign.
Putin wants to be a modern day Khrushchev. Trump is a modern day Nixon but not as well versed or intelligent. Imagine people back then claiming that Nixon was a russian puppet. All evidence points to the contrary, but some people just need a boogeyman.
Really?
I could have sworn Papadopoulos was part of the Trump Campaign's foreign policy advisory panel. And Flynn was the acting National Security Advisor to President-Elect Trump when he lied about his Russian contact.
And Paul Manafort was Trump's campaign manager when he gave Russian agents American polling data. And let's not forget Trump Advisor Roger Stone who was the campaign's go-between with Wikileaks.
Still want to side with sk8 that "pretty much nothing happened"?
Shookster has lied so many times on this board that it’s hard to keep track but you did a good job
Manafort wasn't prosecuted for polling data, he was prosecuted for tax evasion and fraud from stuff he did in Ukraine (the same stuff Hunter Biden was doing) prior to Trump even being a candidate.
Flynn was convicted of lying about asking the russians not to escalate our sanctions on them after trump was elected, it had nothing to do with the campaign.
Papadopoulos was convicted of being stupid and having 2nd hand knowledge of the DNC server hack but not actually facilitating any meetings between the russians and trump.
Stone was convicted of working with Wikileaks, not russia. The guy is a douchebag but he had a point about extortion in his defense.
So maybe your "facts" are actually just a conspiracy theory after all. It your theory was as cut and dried as you make it out to be, it sure seems like somebody would have actually been convicted for russian collusion.
I never said he was prosecuted for it. The questions remains: Why in the hell is Trump's campaign manager giving Russia American polling data for crying out loud??!?!
Nope, it had to do with our nation's security.
He lied about his meeting with a Professor with Russian ties to get dirt on Clinton.
The connections between Wikileaks and the Russian state have been well-documented by our intelligence community.
Or maybe my "facts" are facts.
Manafort didnt give russia anything, and it isn't proven that he gave it to anyone. The guy in Ukraine that he allegedly gave it to says it never happened. The whole thing was based on the fact that the FBI wanted to expand the investigation into what manafort was doing in Ukraine from 2006 to 2014 so they used hearsay and gave it to Mueller, who had unlimited authority. Just like the Steele dossier and the FBI altering documents, they made stuff up to further an investigation.
Flynn's involvement was a breach of the Logan Act and it happened after the election. He asked the Russians to not escalate but wasn't authorized to do so, so he lied about it.
Papadopoulos may have had ill-intent but never actually made anything happen.
Stone, like I said, is a douchebag and is probably the closest thing to actually having russian ties to the election but it wasn't ever proven that he had any relationship with Guccifer 2.0, just that he praised him for hacking Podesta who has skeletons in his own closet.
Like I said, if your facts are so concrete you would think someone would have been prosecuted for them.
Not for russian collusion. Just like scooter libby was prosecuted but it nothing to do with valerie plame or bill Clinton was impeached but it had nothing to do with getting a BJ.
Bernie is a European style socialist, that is absolutely nothing like the USSR. The USSR was communist, and Bernie is by no means advocating for communism. Socialism and Communism are not interchangeable. Currently Russia is an oligarchy, and in reality, we are too to a large extent. We arent as bad as Russia by any means, but everybody knows that a large amount of our politicians do the bidding of the people who line their pockets, and not what is in the best interest of society at large.
And BTW, Israel has universal healthcare and not completely free, but very affordable college. These are of course probably Bernie's top issues. Israel also has much stricter gun laws than the US. Basically, Israel's politics are actually closer to Bernie and Democrats in general than they are to Trump. Of course, none of those things are the issues people have with Israel, and I am sure you know that. Israel of course also isnt a state, so I have never understood why Republicans love Israel to the extent they do. If you lived there, you would be against almost every major policy they had including mandatory military service, which certainly wouldnt go over here.
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Clinton's impeachment had everything to do with a BJ. Yes, he lied under oath, but that lie was about a BJ. Take the BJ away, and there is no lie.
The USSR has been dead for almost 30 years. When people talk about Russia, they are talking about modern day Russia which is an oligarchy, not about the USSR. And if Bernie is closer to the USSR then so are many European nations, Israel, and many other places.
At least you’re now admitting that Democrats don’t love Israel, given the recent outspoken anti-Semites elected to Congress as Democrats
Dude, it has nothing to do with being anti-Semitic. Check what party most Jews in this country vote for. By this logic, American Jews are anti-Semitic against themselves. Israel is criticized for their settlements, and you know that. And that has absolutely nothing to do with Judaism in any way, shape, or form.
But you also didnt explain why Republicans love a foreign nation. It is weird, especially considering like I said before, Republicans should hate their actual government policies which are far closer to Democratic positions than Republican positions.
