No convincing necessary when there is a medical consensus. But, some people believe whatever they want without regard to facts or scientific data.
Pope Francis drops a truth bomb
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Agreed. And the consensus says that the only blobs of cells that get aborted would have been drains on society anyway. Thats why I'm pro-choice- because by every measure and maker its a good thing
Just no telling what may come out of a woman after 9 months. These liberals have convinced me that it’s not a child! At least it may not be. It’s a “blob” and it could be a snake! Or a toaster! Or just disappear all together!
Anything but a baby.
Upholding abortion laws are good
Enforcing immigration laws are bad
Removing abortion laws are good
Removing immigration laws are bad
Increasing the National minimum wage is mandatory
We must inject the market with cheap labor
Increasing the National minimum wage is a horrible idea
We need cheap labor to keep profits up
Strange days*
Enforcing immigration laws are bad
Removing abortion laws are good
Removing immigration laws are bad
Increasing the National minimum wage is mandatory
We must inject the market with cheap labor
Increasing the National minimum wage is a horrible idea
We need cheap labor to keep profits up
Strange days*
GDMFin Anti-Semite!!!
But nah It’s the elite globalist families their immediate henchmen and a few layers under them. Feudal system never really ended, just evolved.
Lol. Unfortunately this is true. Yet present-day America has more mobility up and down the class ranking strata than any society in history.
I was going to post this exact same thing but you beat me to it. Wealth consolidation is a problem in ANY system but a free market system alleviates the problem more than any other.
His statement is also completely false. But, we all know about you guys believing things with no supporting evidence.
Would you, or sk8knight, like to give us some evidence for declaring "present-day America has more mobility up and down the class ranking strata than any society in history?"
i'll give you a hint: You can't. Because it isn't a true statement.
Which system has more upward mobility than a free market?
I know you wont answer because you can't, so I'll just wait for the next deflection+insult post.
That isn't how you provide proof of your claims, Copernicus.
You're the one that agreed to the claim that was made. So, the burden of proof is on you to show "present-day America has more mobility up and down the class ranking strata than any society in history?"
I don't have to prove to you that your claim is false. You need to prove that your claim is true.
You do understand how logic works, right?
No, you don't.
Prove your claims, Copernicus.
(I know you can't do it. But I want to see what you keep coming up with before I post proof to the contrary.)
Situation normal. You allegedly have an opinion but instead of sharing it you deflect and insult.
Why do you keep refusing to provide any proof of the claim you agreed with?
Where'd you go?
Does this mean you concede that the statement you agreed to, "present-day America has more mobility up and down the class ranking strata than any society in history," is a false statement?
Of course not. You still believe it is true, even though you can't provide any proof.
Does this mean you concede that the statement you agreed to, "present-day America has more mobility up and down the class ranking strata than any society in history," is a false statement?
Of course not. You still believe it is true, even though you can't provide any proof.
https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
Sure dont concede it. Its verifiable fact that you are unable to dispute so you resort to deflection and name calling, as per usual.
Dont believe me? Show me where 'm wrong. If you dont want to do that then STFU about it. (Expected response): "I dont have to copernicus. You cant convince me so you're wrong."
Riveting.
Sure dont concede it. Its verifiable fact that you are unable to dispute so you resort to deflection and name calling, as per usual.
Dont believe me? Show me where 'm wrong. If you dont want to do that then STFU about it. (Expected response): "I dont have to copernicus. You cant convince me so you're wrong."
Riveting.
Ok, I'll give you an opportunity that should be too easy to pass up. Of the 4 types of ecomomies, which one facilitates upward mobility best:
Traditional
Market
Command
Mixed
Since you are so far above everyone else in intellect I'm sure you can 1. Simply point out which is best and 2. Qualify your position with imperical evidence.
Market economies have historically been a better facilitator of class mobility than the others. That is fact. Of the top 10 most free economic countries, 8 are market or mixed.
Moron.
To make che mmie feel better, the free market also has the most downward class movement as well. Or for to make it simple for him, many of those evil rich people end up as poor as him or worse in a generation or two, if not by the time they die themselves. They get what they deserve, I guess.
@sk8knight made a claim: "present-day America has more mobility up and down the class ranking strata than any society in history."
You replied, agreeing with his claim: "I was going to post this exact same thing but you beat me to it." And then you wrote, "Its verifiable fact that you are unable to dispute."
All I want is for one of you guys to provide proof of this claim.
Why do you keep insisting I provide proof of something? I haven't made any claims that need proof. Is logic really that hard for you to grasp?
You replied, agreeing with his claim: "I was going to post this exact same thing but you beat me to it." And then you wrote, "Its verifiable fact that you are unable to dispute."
All I want is for one of you guys to provide proof of this claim.
Why do you keep insisting I provide proof of something? I haven't made any claims that need proof. Is logic really that hard for you to grasp?
No matter what your view of abortion this is as disgusting an opinion as I’ve ever read
Economic mobility in the U.S. has been going down for more than 30 years, contrary to your claims. On top of that, economic mobility in the U.S. isn't the best in the world.
Canada, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Sweden, France, Germany... all have higher economic mobility than the U.S.
Here are several links to support my claims, and thus destroy the claims you have made which have no supporting evidence:
https://web.archive.org/web/2010082...05useconomics_morton/05useconomics_morton.pdf
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/02_economic_mobility_sawhill_ch3.pdf
http://www.stateofworkingamerica.org/
https://inequality.stanford.edu/sites/default/files/Pathways-SOTU-2016-Economic-Mobility-3.pdf
Game.
Set.
Match.
well, unless you can provide proof of your claims.
Canada, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Sweden, France, Germany... all have higher economic mobility than the U.S.
Here are several links to support my claims, and thus destroy the claims you have made which have no supporting evidence:
https://web.archive.org/web/2010082...05useconomics_morton/05useconomics_morton.pdf
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/02_economic_mobility_sawhill_ch3.pdf
http://www.stateofworkingamerica.org/
https://inequality.stanford.edu/sites/default/files/Pathways-SOTU-2016-Economic-Mobility-3.pdf
Game.
Set.
Match.
well, unless you can provide proof of your claims.
He and certain others on this board (you know who) are disgusting, vile human beings
Good deal. Youve actually made a point worthy of response and you are correct, sort of. If you want to delineate the argument for the sake of semantics then you are correct in saying that "present day america" doesnt offer the best upward mobility. Dig deeper though and try to determine what has happened in the last 30 years that has caused that decline. Is it unfettered free markets? Or is it perhaps government intervention/crony capitalism/fascism?
Ill wait for your response with bated breath.
Gotta love people who support our immoral and inhumane president taking the moral high ground.
Pope Francis has added his voice to the growing chorus of those decrying the Trump administration's "zero-tolerance" policy on illegal border crossings that has resulted in the separation of parents and children traveling together.
"A person's dignity does not depend on them being a citizen, a migrant, or a refugee," the pope tweeted Wednesday with the hashtag #WithRefugees. "Saving the life of someone fleeing war and poverty is an act of humanity."
Funny how 85 is no where to be found when the Pope drops this "truth bomb". Probably because he is a Shit tier human being and a hypocritical Christian.
"A person's dignity does not depend on them being a citizen, a migrant, or a refugee," the pope tweeted Wednesday with the hashtag #WithRefugees. "Saving the life of someone fleeing war and poverty is an act of humanity."
Funny how 85 is no where to be found when the Pope drops this "truth bomb". Probably because he is a Shit tier human being and a hypocritical Christian.
Looks like you're not going to provide proof of your "verifiable fact," so I'll go ahead and answer anyway.
It is both lack of regulation and crony capitalism. The entire capitalist system is extremely vulnerable to corruption if there aren't regulations in place to prevent it. I've said time and time again that capitalists are the ones who are killing capitalism. The constant desire for more growth and better stock returns, if left to its own vices, will only lead to three things:
1. A much larger wealth gap between the extremely rich and every other class of Americans, which leads to less economic mobility.
2. Exploited workforce. Wages for more than 90% of American workers have been stagnant for over 35 years, and benefits have been shrinking during that time as well.
3. Poorer quality products.
It is all the natural progression of capitalism. Wealth for those at the top continues to grow while the vast majority of the population gets worse off. All of those things have been happening since the Reagan era, and continue to happen right in front of us. Our country is the wealthiest it ever has been, but the vast majority of Americans are not the wealthiest they ever have been. In fact, many are heading backwards when inflation is taken into account.
Good post. I would argue a couple of points though: 1. lack of regulation isnt a factor in economic mobility. Quite the opposite quite honestly. Regulations are costly beasts that favor the larger companies who can absorb the costs of compliance much easier than small companies. 2. The US isnt a free market economy anymore and hasnt been for the better part of the last 120 years. Some things have been done that work in favor of the free market like the trust buster period that broke up monopolies, but some have done the opposite. What you call crony capitalism is actually fascism, which generally just uses a form of planned economic similar to socialism. That has been pervasive in our country for about 80 years.
To my earlier point, I will concede that I was incorrect in stating that todays America doesnt give us the best system for economic mobility. It used to, due to the fact that we were a market system. Even as it transformed into a mixed system that was still true. It was the bullshit supply-side economics of the 70s and 80s and really turned the worm and it has perpetuated itself ever since then.
there are more millionaires now than at any point in the past. upward mobility is still possible. i know a millionaire. hardest working man ive ever met. pretty sure he came from nothing.
The problem with trying to pinpoint economic mobility is that the only way it is measurable is intergenerational wealth. It doesn't take into account opportunity, work ethic, etc.....the metrics that would be a more accurate way of determining it. The sad truth is that people born into poor families tend to stay poor and those born into rich families tend to stay rich, and that is true of every system. Free market systems have more examples to the contrary than any other but its impossible to quantify.
This is just ignorance. Of course there are more millionaires, there are more people. The wealth gap is still rapidly expanding, and wealth distribution is absolutely insane.
!!!Anecdotal evidence warning!!!
My parents, grand parents, and great grand parents are/were all multi-millionaires. I graduated from high school in 1996, paid my way through trade school, and then in 1998 took a loan from my parents for 21,000 to buy my first business. By 2006 I was a millionaire. Today I'm not worth half of that. In 22 years I've gone from nothing, to millionaire, to middle class. THAT is economic mobility in both forms and I have no doubt that it wouldnt be the case in a planned economy.
Thank you for recognizing anecdotal evidence. But the fact that 8 people hold more wealth than half the planet says something is wrong.
If you can't see something wrong with people literally starving to death because they're so poor and someone having enough money to start fires on their yacht with for fun you are not a human being
