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Pope Francis: Global Warming is Primarily Man Made

pretty sure he has 2 degrees in chemistry which makes him a more reliable source than nu or fab...that and he has a direct line to the big guy...he just asked...
According to Snopes.com, he graduated as a chemical technician from a tech school and it is unclear if he has any higher education in chemistry. So a more reliable source is a bit of a stretch.

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The pope's college degree is irrelevant. Man's contribution to climate change has been proven as equally as the fact that the Earth orbits the sun. The only people who continue to deny this are those who love themselves so much that they could never come to grips that they've been wrong about somethong, regardless of consequences.
 
The pope's college degree is irrelevant. Man's contribution to climate change has been proven as equally as the fact that the Earth orbits the sun. The only people who continue to deny this are those who love themselves so much that they could never come to grips that they've been wrong about somethong, regardless of consequences.
My biggest gripe with "global warming" is that people like you tend to assume that it is 100% man made, which is a laughable theory. The Earth's climate is cyclical, or at least always changing up and down significantly. This has been proven time and again through periods of ice age and time where the Earth was actually hotter than it is now. 20 years of global warming specific data vs eons of geological data and you can see that the sample size is quite small.

I agree that man has and effect of the Earth's climate but I also believe that there is a natural, cyclical aspect to that, how much is anybodies guess. It has also been proven that a number of the most popular cited global warming studies were over stated or had exaggerated data.
 
This has to be driving conservatives wacky. Their religion and anti-science worlds just collided.
 
My biggest gripe with "global warming" is that people like you tend to assume that it is 100% man made, which is a laughable theory. The Earth's climate is cyclical, or at least always changing up and down significantly. This has been proven time and again through periods of ice age and time where the Earth was actually hotter than it is now. 20 years of global warming specific data vs eons of geological data and you can see that the sample size is quite small.

I agree that man has and effect of the Earth's climate but I also believe that there is a natural, cyclical aspect to that, how much is anybodies guess. It has also been proven that a number of the most popular cited global warming studies were over stated or had exaggerated data.
so when a massive meteorite smacks into the planet, putting up debris that blocks the sun and essentially put the planet into a nuclear winter, is that a part of the planet's natural cycle? all of the 5 major ice ages happened millions of years ago and were most likely caused by extinction level events blocking the sun (meteorites, super volcanoes, and large changes in orbit)...

the last mini ice age (glacial period) was caused by 90 million native americans dying pretty much right after the vikings first visited BC. 90 million people die, trees grow back, collect CO2, temps drop world wide...
 
My biggest gripe with "global warming" is that people like you tend to assume that it is 100% man made, which is a laughable theory. The Earth's climate is cyclical, or at least always changing up and down significantly. This has been proven time and again through periods of ice age and time where the Earth was actually hotter than it is now. 20 years of global warming specific data vs eons of geological data and you can see that the sample size is quite small.

I agree that man has and effect of the Earth's climate but I also believe that there is a natural, cyclical aspect to that, how much is anybodies guess. It has also been proven that a number of the most popular cited global warming studies were over stated or had exaggerated data.

I doubt anyone in the scientific community (myself included) believes climate change is 100% induced by humans. The data shows that our impact is over and above cyclical changes, that's why so many people treat this as such a big deal. You also don't need directly measured climate data to deduce the earth's climate before we started recording.

This isn't a hoax so some scientists can keep their jobs (scientists don't behave like MBAs), this is a real problem that we're failing miserably to address.
 
They'll just say he's not a scientist. Then when a bunch of scientist say it, they'll say they don't know what they're talking about. Global Warming and evolution are 2 of the biggest myths of our time.
 
I doubt anyone in the scientific community (myself included) believes climate change is 100% induced by humans. The data shows that our impact is over and above cyclical changes, that's why so many people treat this as such a big deal. You also don't need directly measured climate data to deduce the earth's climate before we started recording.

This isn't a hoax so some scientists can keep their jobs (scientists don't behave like MBAs), this is a real problem that we're failing miserably to address.
Not to debate any other part of this, but scientists who work off grant money absolutely do behave like MBAs. Especially if they want to continue receiving that grant money.
 
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What % is man-made problem? That's why this topic gets a big fat dealwithit from me. Besides pretty sure it's the gooks, slurpee indians & commies that are mostly to blame. Its just a liberal tears for looking dumb in their planet savin prius fagboy cars when gas is only $2.65
 
Not to debate any other part of this, but scientists who work off grant money absolutely do behave like MBAs. Especially if they want to continue receiving that grant money.
Most scientists I know have lost their funding because their results aren't novel or interesting enough to garner new grant money. They do good work but so do 50 other people, and there's only enough money for 5 of them. We don't want to go down with the ship, but we often do.
 
They'll just say he's not a scientist. Then when a bunch of scientist say it, they'll say they don't know what they're talking about. Global Warming and evolution are 2 of the biggest myths of our time.
But he's not a scientist, he's a chemistry technician and the Pope. So what are you talking about?
 
Not to debate any other part of this, but scientists who work off grant money absolutely do behave like MBAs. Especially if they want to continue receiving that grant money.

We're talking about widespread concensus within the community on this topic, not just the opinion of a few less scrupulous scientists fudging results to keep money flowing. There's plenty to learn about the world beyond climate change, most scientists would have moved on to something a lot more interesting a long time ago if this weren't pressing.
 
We're talking about widespread concensus within the community on this topic, not just the opinion of a few less scrupulous scientists fudging results to keep money flowing. There's plenty to learn about the world beyond climate change, most scientists would have moved on to something a lot more interesting a long time ago if this weren't pressing.
Yeaaaaaah no. Scientists go where the money is and for the last 20 years that money has been in climate change. "This study brought to you by Ford" or "This study brought to you by SolarCity" It's all horseshit. Statistics is horseshit. You can prove any point you want with statistics.

Look at all these food studies. Eggs are bad for you, no they're good for you, no only the yolks are bad for you, never mind they are really good for you.

In the end the only thing that makes this crap work is time and we don't have eons of time to observe climate change. Someone will win this argument, I'll just be long dead when the winner is announced.

Yes we are changing the climate but how much and how fast can only be determined over time. 20 years is not enough time. Period.
 
If the whole of the scientific community is so corrupt that data would be forged and accepted for decades because studying climate was determined lucrative, we're totally fcked. The developed world will cease to continue to develop if that's acceptable to anyone.
 
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Resume ur ad hominem now that you've been defeated once again
 
We're talking about widespread concensus within the community on this topic, not just the opinion of a few less scrupulous scientists fudging results to keep money flowing. There's plenty to learn about the world beyond climate change, most scientists would have moved on to something a lot more interesting a long time ago if this weren't pressing.
Wasn't debating that but, beginning in the 60s and 70s, there was a scientific consensus that diet was the most significant cause of cholesterol in the bloodstream and that dietary fat was the cause of cardiovascular disease. We created a whole low fat industry, ingrained that dietary fat and cholesterol were bad into the public psyche, and to this day have governmental policy in place to support it. We now know that the science there was flawed and, worse, our attempts to fix the problem have been worse than had we done nothing at all. So, yeah, community-wide consensus can be wrong and instituting policy around it can be harmful.

The most ironic statement in the whole AGW debate is when people say "the science is settled."
 
Cholesterol intake isn't a valid analogy to CO2 emission for two reasons. First, we know the demand for energy from the developing world is going to at least double by 2050, possibly triple. If the analogy held, then the cholesterol argument would claim that someone who is already taking in high levels of cholesterol could go ahead and safely increase their intake by 2x-3x without increased risk..... Good luck with that.

2nd, it's well understand how CO2 heats the atmosphere and we have the measurements to corroborate that understanding. The link between cholesterol and heart disease is much less clear.

One other reason this analogy is bad: the downside risk of having more cholesterol in an individual's diet is about 7.2 Billion times less impactful than the downside risk of continuing to put greenhouses gases in Earth's atmosphere.
 
Cholesterol intake isn't a valid analogy to CO2 emission for two reasons. First, we know the demand for energy from the developing world is going to at least double by 2050, possibly triple. If the analogy held, then the cholesterol argument would claim that someone who is already taking in high levels of cholesterol could go ahead and safely increase their intake by 2x-3x without increased risk..... Good luck with that.

2nd, it's well understand how CO2 heats the atmosphere and we have the measurements to corroborate that understanding. The link between cholesterol and heart disease is much less clear.

One other reason this analogy is bad: the downside risk of having more cholesterol in an individual's diet is about 7.2 Billion times less impactful than the downside risk of continuing to put greenhouses gases in Earth's atmosphere.
First, way to miss the point.

Second, are you really saying that the link between cholesterol and fats and heart disease is harder to define than the all the variables of climate change and the effect changing them has on the temperature?

Third, even if a rise in the earth's temperature is as relatively catastrophic to human beings as compared to cardiovascular disease in the magnitude that you state, simply being more catastrophic doesnt mean that we then throw all caution to the wind and enact sweeping public policy that cripples the U.S. More than nearly any other country. Just because it's scary doesn't make the people preaching the scary results (who's predictions have actually been wrong) automatically right and anyone presenting a contrasting opinion an idiot.

Fourth, isn't this all just going to go away when we run out of oil in 50 years anyways?
 
The point is its this "the debate is over now or never" rhetoric when decades ago you may have been crowing about some other crisis that wasn't.
 
I got your point, but since the argument "In one case scientific consensus was wrong so in this case it must be wrong" wasn't a strong enough argument, so I took what you were trying to say a little further... and yes the link between CO2 in the atmosphere and warming is much better understood than the link between cholesterol and heart disease. It's easy to run an experiment on how gases behave in the environment, not so easy to run an experiment on a live cardiovascular system.

Can you point to what specific policies related to curbing emissions would "cripple" the U.S.? The fact that energy might be a little more expensive for a little longer while we transition to new technologies? That sounds more like a growing pain than a crippling effect... and again, given the downside risk the growing pain would be negligible (unless you're in the oil industry or heavily invested........ a tiny fraction of people in this debate)

Also, I would think the acknowledgement that oil and fossils are finite resources would put you on the side of the debate that favors investment in alternatives. What gives?
 
LOL! You all worry about climate change. I'll worry about radical Islam.
 
I doubt anyone in the scientific community (myself included) believes climate change is 100% induced by humans. The data shows that our impact is over and above cyclical changes, that's why so many people treat this as such a big deal. You also don't need directly measured climate data to deduce the earth's climate before we started recording.

This isn't a hoax so some scientists can keep their jobs (scientists don't behave like MBAs), this is a real problem that we're failing miserably to address.
Scientific community, what exactly do you do for a living?
 
I also have an MBA, so I won't bash business schools too much... and I have no interest in becoming a CPA so that's irrelevant.

So what do you think about the Pope acknowledging climate change as a human induced risk to our long term well being?
 
Pope Francis has moved the Catholic Church forward about 50 years in the short time he's been wearing that hat. I'm not bashing the pope, even through religion is is nonsense. He seems like a good dude, like maybe, 35% of religious people are.
 
I got your point, but since the argument "In one case scientific consensus was wrong so in this case it must be wrong" wasn't a strong enough argument, so I took what you were trying to say a little further... and yes the link between CO2 in the atmosphere and warming is much better understood than the link between cholesterol and heart disease. It's easy to run an experiment on how gases behave in the environment, not so easy to run an experiment on a live cardiovascular system.

Can you point to what specific policies related to curbing emissions would "cripple" the U.S.? The fact that energy might be a little more expensive for a little longer while we transition to new technologies? That sounds more like a growing pain than a crippling effect... and again, given the downside risk the growing pain would be negligible (unless you're in the oil industry or heavily invested........ a tiny fraction of people in this debate)

Also, I would think the acknowledgement that oil and fossils are finite resources would put you on the side of the debate that favors investment in alternatives. What gives?
Wow, the climate of the planet reduced to one gas that, while we understand gets hot when stimulated, we don't know how much of an effect our production of it has on temperature. I guess it is easy to understand when you break it down to one simple variable. Genius!

That was one example and was the easiest that I could think of. History is littered with consensus proven wrong and bad government policy. I don't think I need to list every one because you're being dense.

Curbing emissions is fine. When the President of the U.S. promising radical energy change without a viable alternative while China and India are not, then that is hurting the U.S. When we can't rebuild our manufacturing base partly because of emissions regulations, that is hurting the U.S. When the President orders the DoD to create a strategy to combat climate change and then uses the fact that the DoD has a strategy as proof that he is right as if he didn't order it, that is hurting the U.S.
 
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I don't think you have the slightest inkling about the current state of climate science or China's energy policy (or the meaning of radical change for that matter).... and if you think our manufacturing base has a chance of a strong recovery if we just let someone else deal with a business' negative externalities, you also don't understand the current economy.
 
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