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Quick look at Frost's new non-conf scheduling philosophy

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At the Fan Signing Day Party...Frost mentioned that he doesn't want difficult (i.e. major P5 and/or potential road games) taking up a good portion of his future non-conf schedules...as it seems he wants more favorable and hopefully more home games (same with new UCF AD Danny White).

Most P5 teams "load up" with as many home non-conf games as possible...as most schedule 7 home games per year...some get ALL non-conf games at home and end up with 8 home games per year.

Now, more and more AAC teams are now getting 3 out of their 4 non-conf games at home.

In 2014, 3 AAC teams had 3 out of their 4 non-conf games at home (7 total for the season).

In 2015, 3 AAC teams had 3 non-conf home games (7 total for the season)

In 2016, that number jumps to 6 teams that will have 7 home games (UCONN, USF, Memphis, Cinci, Temple...with Houston playing a 7th home game at NRG Stadium, NFL Stadium 6 miles from campus).

This will be UCF's 10th season playing in BHNS...and only one time, in 2009, did UCF schedule 7 home games.

2017 non-conf schedule is already set (@ Texas, @ Maryland, FIU, GA TECH)...and UCF is set to only have 6 home games again, 10th time in 11 seasons.

Hopefully Danny White will look at how UCF can earn more $$$$, and generally win more games (most teams win more home games than road games), which can lead to better bowls, possible rankings, larger crowds then better recruiting...which brings on even more wins...more $$$$...more fans...etc...

Will be interesting to see what Frost/White do in regards to either changes and/or additions UCF's future non-conf football schedules.

NOTE: I think "pay day only road games" (i.e. UCF at Ohio State, UCF at Michigan, where its only a road game for UCF), will be a thing of the past...which is a good thing.
 
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More P5 schools/conferences are making deals to play each other more often to increase strength of schedule, which doesn't jibe with this philosophy. You can't earn more money if you don't earn respect by playing and beating the big boys, else we just sit at the kids table playing tiddily-winks with our other conference mates or conferences deemed "lower" in status. P5 schools get the automatic "pass" on this but we won't. FSU and Miami cut thier teeth and made themselves what they are by playing anybody, anytime, anywhere and winning a majority of those games when they mattered. They have now earned the street cred to skip those tough games from time to time. We don't have that luxury.

I don't think scheduling games such as playing FAU at home instead of Michigan in The Big House does our program any good. If we win a bunch of games against perceived crap we've gained nothing. We don't have the luxury of being in a P5 conference.
 
Knight_Light said:
At the Fan Signing Day Party...Frost mentioned that he doesn't want difficult (i.e. major P5 and/or potential road games) taking up a good portion of his future non-conf schedules...as it seems he wants more favorable and hopefully more home games (same with new UCF AD Danny White).

Most P5 teams "load up" with as many home non-conf games as possible...as most schedule 7 home games per year...some get ALL non-conf games at home and end up with 8 home games per year.

Now, more and more AAC teams are now getting 3 out of their 4 non-conf games at home.

In 2014, 3 AAC teams had 3 out of their 4 non-conf games at home (7 total for the season).

In 2015, 3 AAC teams had 3 non-conf home games (7 total for the season)

In 2016, that number jumps to 6 teams that will have 7 home games (UCONN, USF, Memphis, Cinci, Temple...with Houston playing a 7th home game at NRG Stadium, NFL Stadium 6 miles from campus).

This will be UCF's 10th season playing in BHNS...and only one time, in 2009, did UCF schedule 7 home games.

2017 non-conf schedule is already set (@ Texas, @ Maryland, FIU, GA TECH)...and UCF is set to only have 6 home games again, 10th time in 11 seasons.

Hopefully Danny White will look at how UCF can earn more $$$$, and generally win more games (most teams win more home games than road games), which can lead to better bowls, possible rankings, larger crowds then better recruiting...which brings on even more wins...more $$$$...more fans...etc...

Will be interesting to see what Frost/White do in regards to either changes and/or additions UCF's future non-conf football schedules.

NOTE: I think "pay day only road games" (i.e. UCF at Ohio State, UCF at Michigan, where its only a road game for UCF), will be a thing of the past...which is a good thing.
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It sounds good in theory, but how do we get any P5 team to come here? They can just say "you're coming to our stadium or forget it." They can just keep scheduling cupcakes and get the $400,000-$500,000 and fill their stadiums with 70,000-110,000 fans and make millions.
 
Ucfmikes said:
It sounds good in theory, but how do we get any P5 team to come here? They can just say "you're coming to our stadium or forget it." They can just keep scheduling cupcakes and get the $400,000-$500,000 and fill their stadiums with 70,000-110,000 fans and make millions.
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Its usually done with home-home series...something most AAC teams have been able to do...including UCF.

UCF has some upcoming home-home series with Maryland and Ga Tech.
 
So what is the priority here anymore? Money, exposure, ratings, easy games to get ready for league games?

Also, problem with our bowl schedule is it sucks. Are fans suppose to be happy with more games at home and guaranteed bowls but crappy competition?
 
KnightVision82 said:
So what is the priority here anymore? Money, exposure, ratings, easy games to get ready for league games?

Also, problem with our bowl schedule is it sucks. Are fans suppose to be happy with more games at home and guaranteed bowls but crappy competition?
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Thats one UCF fan unhappy with our schedule.
 
therightknight said:
Thats one UCF fan unhappy with our schedule.
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I like this year's schedule and next year looks good.

I realize complaining about new AAC league bowl schedule is like...

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KnightVision82 said:
So what is the priority here anymore? Money, exposure, ratings, easy games to get ready for league games?

Also, problem with our bowl schedule is it sucks. Are fans suppose to be happy with more games at home and guaranteed bowls but crappy competition?
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The number 1 priority for this team right now should be to get to an access bowl. That's what the AAC gets us. Get to it anyway possible. Most of the other bowl games are mediocre at best. We could play a barely .500 or above SEC team or 7-5/8-4 ACC team.
 
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So what is the priority here anymore? Money, exposure, ratings, easy games to get ready for league games?
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Believe those 3 are at/near the top of importance for Frost and hopefully for White.

Money: 7 homes games generally means more $$$ to your coffers...as season tix sales this year will probably be at/near highest level since 2007.

Exposure: Have 7 home games means SEVEN chances to host scores of HS recruits on unofficial or even a few on official visits.

1 easier game-More wins: Most teams try to schedule as many home games as possible (i.e. teams like Michigan have 8 home games this year), as more home games generally means more wins...and with hopefully a few easier wins...more players get PT...some starters can get rest, etc...

Heck, ratings could come into play too...as with more wins...would only help the team get ranked...and with a winning team...that usually means higher TV ratings.

NOTE: Houston was able to have 7 home games when they use to play in a 30,000 seat stadium...and now they have generally done the same for their 40,000 seat stadium. This will be the 5th straight year UH will have 7 local game this year.
 
LMAO this guy is already coming in with a scared mentality. If he eliminates big time out of conference P5 games then make yourselves at home in the AAC permanently.
 
MasterKnight said:
LMAO this guy is already coming in with a scared mentality. If he eliminates big time out of conference P5 games then make yourselves at home in the AAC permanently.
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The Gayturds need to eliminate any such games with Alabama. Ruins their season every year. SEC mediocrity forever. No big bowl game = depressed, unfulfilled, spoiled Gayturd fans.
 
Ucfmikes said:
The Gayturds need to eliminate any such games with Alabama. Ruins their season every year. SEC mediocrity forever. No big bowl game = depressed, unfulfilled, spoiled Gayturd fans.
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UCF - I'll stick around for the tailgate but bounce because we are playing some Awful team. Have fun with frost's new OOC philosophy
 
MasterKnight said:
UCF - I'll stick around for the tailgate but bounce because we are playing some Awful team. Have fun with frost's new OOC philosophy
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The Gayturds are notorious at scheduling cupcakes for OOC games. You have to be kidding me.
 
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MasterKnight said:
LMAO this guy is already coming in with a scared mentality. If he eliminates big time out of conference P5 games then make yourselves at home in the AAC permanently.
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Not really. If we can consistently go 10-3,11-2, 12-1 then we have a shot at some really big preseason high profile games either here or Atlanta. If we have 6 games at BHNS, then we can afford to play Michigan in the Citrus bowl at the beginning of the season. That is a game, I think Harbaugh would be open to.
 
firm_bizzle said:
Not really. If we can consistently go 10-3,11-2, 12-1 then we have a shot at some really big preseason high profile games either here or Atlanta. If we have 6 games at BHNS, then we can afford to play Michigan in the Citrus bowl at the beginning of the season. That is a game, I think Harbaugh would be open to.
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Idk frost sounds like he would rather play higher profile P5 teams in bowl games than in the regular season where they hold more weight than an exhibition game at the end
 
MasterKnight said:
Ever heard of FSU and the ranked SEC teams that litter UFs schedule genius?
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You do realize that those ranked SEC teams that liter the schedule are NOT OOC GAMES genius. UF plays in the SEC. Boy you're dumb.
 
Ucfmikes said:
You do realize that those ranked SEC teams that liter the schedule are NOT OOC GAMES genius. UF plays in the SEC. Boy you're dumb.
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I just wish I had the time this guy has to spend all day reading and responding to posts on another team's fan board. Unfortunately, I have this thing called a life that keeps getting in the way.
 
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Idk frost sounds like he would rather play higher profile P5 teams in bowl games than in the regular season where they hold more weight than an exhibition game at the end
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True. Racking up wins is the most important thing. At the end of the season nobody looks at who you played, they just see 12-1.
 
CBlackwellRN said:
I just wish I had the time this guy has to spend all day reading and responding to posts on another team's fan board. Unfortunately, I have this thing called a life that keeps getting in the way.
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All day huh? Do you keep track how many times I post and what time? get a life
 
I didn't see it mentioned on here, but keep in mind, the P5's are moving away from scheduling most G5's (and under). Going OOC to a P5 school is your greatest money grab. We need to get put on that list of acceptable G5's or revenue will really take a dive.
 
EngAlum98 said:
I didn't see it mentioned on here, but keep in mind, the P5's are moving away from scheduling most G5's (and under). Going OOC to a P5 school is your greatest money grab. We need to get put on that list of acceptable G5's or revenue will really take a dive.
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True...and some conferences are now having teams from different divisions that are not on that year's regular season schedule now scheduling on their own against each other as a "non-conf" game. (Keeping ALL $$$ between 2 conf members AND their TV partners).

ACC's Wake Forest and UNC, who were not scheduled to play each other in 2019 and 2021...have scheduled a home-home "non-conf" series with each other.
 
Knight_Light said:
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NOTE: I think "pay day only road games" (i.e. UCF at Ohio State, UCF at Michigan, where its only a road game for UCF), will be a thing of the past...which is a good thing.
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They were already rare. UCF had a rule of only 1for 1 with BCS conf teams. That is getting harder and harder to do. In order to get 7 home games on regular basis you will either play 2 FCS schools or you have to convince B4 teams to do a 2 for 1. You def don't want 2 FCS schools on schedule, so you are left in a pickle. If they can pull of 3 or 4, 7 game home schedules every 10 years they will be doing real good.
 
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They were already rare. UCF had a rule of only 1for 1 with BCS conf teams. That is getting harder and harder to do. In order to get 7 home games on regular basis you will either play 2 FCS schools or you have to convince B4 teams to do a 2 for 1. You def don't want 2 FCS schools on schedule, so you are left in a pickle. If they can pull of 3 or 4, 7 game home schedules every 10 years they will be doing real good.
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No...there was no "UCF rule on it"...as that was just a stated goal that was preferred...but UCF signed multiple contracts since BHNS that were not 1-for-1 (Texas 2-for-1, Ohio State payday road game, Michigan payday road game).

It doesn't seem to be getting harder and harder for even AAC teams to get 7 home games per year (Houston will have 6 straight years of 7 home games by 2017...includes 1 kickoff classic at NRG Stadium), while 5 other AAC teams will have 7 home games this year.
 
There is a fallacy in logic here. One of the biggest complaints about the UCF program is that that we don't win games against P5 and that this is the way to prominence. For years GOL preached "win the conference games" as the way to success but he was lambasted for that. Now some are advocating a cupcake OOC schedule so that we can potentially go 12-1 as the only thing that matters. Because nobody looks to see who you beat. This is a complete 180 degree turn around. Also that did not work so well for Marshall.

Balance is required here. Maybe not a killer OOC schedule but you have to have some substance. You also need to be able to rise to the challenge when the bowl games come. Personally I think the AAC schedule is harder than people give credit to. As was seen last two years UCF is not a program that can assume victories in the AAC.

More than anything I think you have to act like a big boy if you want to play with the big boys. Shirking a tough game away because you are afraid it will hurt your chances to an access bowl is pretty weak. I still believe that if you win the conference in the AAC you are pretty much a top pick for the access bowl so that is the most important thing. Playing P5 programs along with it is also important.
 
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No...there was no "UCF rule on it"...as that was just a stated goal that was preferred...but UCF signed multiple contracts since BHNS that were not 1-for-1 (Texas 2-for-1, Ohio State payday road game, Michigan payday road game).

It doesn't seem to be getting harder and harder for even AAC teams to get 7 home games per year (Houston will have 6 straight years of 7 home games by 2017...includes 1 kickoff classic at NRG Stadium), while 5 other AAC teams will have 7 home games this year.
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I said Rare. and they have been pretty rare. Tex game was about opening Brighthouse. 2 body bag games in 10 years means one out of 5 ... pretty rare. Scheduling for us got harder over the last few years, P5 schools want easy wins from G5 schools. UCF did not fit that mold.
P5 schools are limiting G5 schedule, which will make it even harder. I am all for it if they can pull it off without 2 FCS games being needed.
 
goodknightfl said:
They were already rare. UCF had a rule of only 1for 1 with BCS conf teams. That is getting harder and harder to do. In order to get 7 home games on regular basis you will either play 2 FCS schools or you have to convince B4 teams to do a 2 for 1. You def don't want 2 FCS schools on schedule, so you are left in a pickle. If they can pull of 3 or 4, 7 game home schedules every 10 years they will be doing real good.
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2 FCS teams as long as one is BCC or FAMU would be fine. Great crowds.
 
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Frost maybe concerned about injuries and thinning depth that comes with a tough OC schedule. Back in my day Northwestern use to warm up with Notre Dame, USC, Oklahoma and a few other notables. The first string was destroyed with injuries, leading to regular losing B1G records. Play a few cupcakes ! I'd prefer to see UCF rack up a few wins early getting into a 6 win minimum position opening the team up to a bowl invitation. Just my .02

and, Go Cats !!
 
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I think the cupcake idea would work for this year but we already have Michigan and Maryland on the schedule. I would hope by next year we have the installation of the new offense and defense in line and we are competing. I don't make all the games so it is no skin off my teeth but seems like it would be dull to have two FCS teams when you might have another P5 come to town.
 
Two P5 schools per year is best. One home, one away. Then any other G5 teams or one G5 and one FCS.

Not much different from what we had been trying to do recently.
 
SCKnight said:
I think the cupcake idea would work for this year but we already have Michigan and Maryland on the schedule. I would hope by next year we have the installation of the new offense and defense in line and we are competing. I don't make all the games so it is no skin off my teeth but seems like it would be dull to have two FCS teams when you might have another P5 come to town.
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I believe the only way we consistently get good P5 teams to town is to schedule them in the CB. The only way we play there is as a 7 or 8th home game. Citrus sports wants more games, P5 teams (especially in the B1G) want to play in Orlando so we should be able to get good quality classics without doing a 1/1 deal.
 
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Citrus sports screwed the pooch in regards to UCF. Screw them. I can't wait for Orlando City to move into their new stadium and see CS sweat it out. And I doubt stadium selection would affect P5 coming here. It is all about how much money you are going to give the other team.
 
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Citrus sports screwed the pooch in regards to UCF. Screw them. I can't wait for Orlando City to move into their new stadium and see CS sweat it out. And I doubt stadium selection would affect P5 coming here. It is all about how much money you are going to give the other team.
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This would be true unless those P5 teams were UF, FSU or UM. All of which would be a huge draw at the CB. In the end though, I doubt Citrus sports would make it worth UCF's while to give up a home game, even against an FCS just because we make so much money at home games and we also have debt service obligations for the bonds.
 
firm_bizzle said:
I believe the only way we consistently get good P5 teams to town is to schedule them in the CB. The only way we play there is as a 7 or 8th home game. Citrus sports wants more games, P5 teams (especially in the B1G) want to play in Orlando so we should be able to get good quality classics without doing a 1/1 deal.
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Has there been any P5 team that came to UCF and sold out there allotment of tickets? Maybe SC? The only teams to which it would matter would be FSU and UF who would sell tons of tickets. I doubt anyone else would come. Ok Maybe ND or Ohio state
 
Texas ('07), Miami ('09) and South Carolina ('13) were the only ones that sold out their allotments.

USF ('08), NC State ('10), Boston College ('11), Mizzou ('12) did not.

BYU for a Thursday night game brought more folks (many were BYU fans that lived in FLA) than most of those other 4 that didn't sellout or even come close to selling out.
 
To sell out a 7th or 8th local game (not UF, FSU or Miami)in the CB would have to be against UGA, Bama, Auburn, Tenn, USCe, Clemson, Ohio State, Michigan or ND. All recruit the area and could be convinced to play us in a kick off classic with cooperation from FCS. They got a game between FSU/Ole Miss, maybe they get a game with Miami or UF here but eventually they'll run out of local schools to play in those games and will still need to sell tickets. Although I read that FSU was considering playing more games off campus.
 
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