Rittenhouse trial is over before it begins
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Thank you. Gun nut teen drives to another state to take the law into his own hands. "Take the law into his own hands".
You mean , blame the gun nut kid who traveled across state lines to take the law into his own hands?
He's clearly not a "gun nut". He barely knew the first thing about ammo or guns when asked by the ADA.
He probably shouldn’t have shown up to a protest, where tensions would obviously be high, with a weapon he barely knew the first thing about.
Huh? Are you saying he didn't know how to handle his weapon?
This is the same guy, who when he had a gun pointed at him, shot the arm holding the gun.
You’re right, he probably shouldn’t have. That’s also absolutely irrelevant to the case.
He definitely knew how to handle it, I'm just saying that he isn't a gun nut. I know more than he does and I'm definitely not what anybody would call a gun nut.
Yes, but he was there. That being the case, I'd like to know what the liberals would rather have had happen in this situation.
BTW ... why is anyone who is issued a gun, and knows how to use it, automatically a 'gun nut'?
And what about the convicted felon with the semi-auto pistol that pointed at Rittenhouse while Rittenhouse was on the ground, not once, but twice? Is he also not a 'gun nut' too?
Yes, Rittenhouse should have stayed home. But he was hardly a gun nut. You really need to read the evidence and transcripts. You're spewing off like Mass-Social Media sheep.
Yeah, shame on anybody out there who doesn't believe this teenager was a mature, responsible, safety-conscious gun owner.
For what its worth, when asked the question during his time on the stand why he brought an AR-15 to the protest Rittenhouse responded with, "I thought it was cool."
That’s not only irrelevant, you’re also misrepresenting the testimony. He did not answer that to a question of why did you bring the gun to the protest. Here is the passage:
Binger: You wanted Black to buy you AR as opposed to pistol, only reason is felt you couldn't lawfully possess pistol. Not any other reason?
Rittenhouse: Thought it looked cool, but not really.
Binge: Not to go hunting? To protect house?
Rittenhouse: Looked cool.
The answer to the question of why he brought a rifle to the protest is because he believed that he couldn’t carry a pistol legally. He would’ve preferred a pistol.
An AR-15 "looked cool" is irrelevant as to why he brought it instead of a pistol?
He wasn't a gun owner, just gun aware and experienced.
I was the same. I never owned guns, but I was aware and experienced with them, and ordinance. I considered it to be a responsibility as an American to be aware and responsible, given the 2nd Amendment.
But then again, we're living in a country were the 1st Amendment is now being destroyed by people irresponsible with it too. The irony is that it's Progressives, not Conservatives.
Yeah, I laughed at that. You could tell Rittenhouse was 'well coached' and 'toying' with the lawyers. Although in reality, the chioce of a semi-auto pistol v. auto-auto rifle can have a lot to do with such.
No one cares if you shoot someone with a pistol these days unless -- of course -- you just do what the Mass and Social Media does and show a AR15 even if it's a pistol, resolver, shotgun or ... gasp ... even knife.
Most of the alleged 'Mass Shootings' show and are reported to be done with an AR15, yet so few actually are, and neither the Mass nor Social Media bother to correct that total misinformation.
No, whether it looked cool or not is irrelevant to whether he believed that he faced an imminent threat of great bodily harm or death and whether that threat was objectively reasonable or not and whether he acted in proportion to the threat and without utter disregard for human life. There are millions of gun owners that buy and carry weapons because they look cool but that doesn’t make them murderers.
And you presented the quote as an answer to the wrong question anyways. He didn’t bring it because it looked cool. He wanted to buy it because it looked cool. He brought it because it was all he had. Surely you can understand that difference.
I got it from a TV trial report on the proceedings. If the question was about choice of weapons, I stand corrected. Based on your info, he got an AR-15 instead of a pistol because an AR-15 looked cool. His testimony speaks to his maturity and state of mind which, in fact, is relevant to his actions that night.
Not that any of this will mean anything. Given the way this trail has been conducted, the outcome is a foregone conclusion.
I don't understand this point at all.
If that's your evaluation, then the Mass Media as well as people as yourself are in the same boat. Because you fear AR15 style semi-auto rifles because of how they look, not what they actually do little differently than any other firearm.
This is why I consider people like yourself braindead. You ignore everyone commiting violent crimes, felons with bipolar issues who acosted and even assaulted people, even other people armed. You only care about this kid, and he's 'gotta pay' no matter what, no matter the facts.
You can thank the prosecution for that. Although ... should have it ever gone to trial in the first place? Quit blaming the judge for a trial that likely should have never happened.
WTF are you talking about??!? This has absolutely nothing to do with 'my fear' about AR15-style semi-auto rifles. Before you throw out 'braindead' comments, you might want to read my quote again.
In response to a question, Rittenhouse said that he got one of those babies over a pistol because of how they looked. That's HIS testimony!
One assumes he thought this style of semi-automatic rifle looked badass. But I'm supposed to call that 'irrelevant' in a case where Rambo Junior went there with one and killed two people and injured a third?
its pretty clear he is quite proficient with firearms.
I think it just scares your side that a teenage conservative easily handled 3 of your adults.
Your grasp of the law is… shockingly bad.
You’re trying to make the fact he thought an AR-15 looked cool into some form of proof that he was the actual aggressor, and not the people who chased him, hit him with a skateboard, lunged for his gun, pointed a gun at him, etc.
Thinking an AR-15 looks cool is not a reason to disqualify someone from defending themselves.
As an aside, a pistol would have been much more effective. The dude who got his bicep blown off would probably be dead if Rittenhouse had a pistol instead of an AR-15.
You are conflating two different things. He said he bought it because it looked cool. He said he brought it to the riots for personal protection
It should never have gone to trial. The prosecution has no facts to defeat the obvious self defense case and spent the entire time trying to create a character narrative. The closing will be a lot of pounding the table because he has no facts to pound relative to the affirmative self defense.
The riot included assault and battery, including putting people in critical condition.
Geez, no wonder the judge had to stop the prosecution! The prosecutor cannot help himself be either ignorant or purposely lying if he wasn't. And remember, Colion IS a lawyer.
But Rittenhouse had FMJ bullets anyway, as hollow point jacketed are far less common in .223/5.56 as they are a newer development in FBI testing and other efforts, largely for home defense.
Which makes me wonder how bad this prosecutor is trying to get a mistrial with prejudice. This guy is a Constitutional nightmare.
But Rittenhouse had FMJ bullets anyway, as hollow point jacketed are far less common in .223/5.56 as they are a newer development in FBI testing and other efforts, largely for home defense.
Which makes me wonder how bad this prosecutor is trying to get a mistrial with prejudice. This guy is a Constitutional nightmare.
Prosecutor in Rittenhouse trial makes bizarre claim hollow point bullets "explode"; violates 5th Amendment
Judge Bruce Schroeder interjected when Thomas Binger asked Rittenhouse about "exploding bullets," ; question seemed irrelevant anyway since Rittenhouse has already testified his AR-15 had full metal jacket bullets, not hollow point bullets loaded
www.lawenforcementtoday.com
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He is going to get off, whether he should or not I honestly dont know because this trial has become nothing but a circus.
The videos are out there and we now have Rittenhouse’s testimony (and that of the others). Is that not enough? It seemed to be enough in the Chauvin trial for many people.
I said he is going to get off, that doesnt mean the trial isnt a shit show.
Fair enough. It’s really just the Prosecutor. I think he’s trying to save his own ass with his antics.
That was a weird line of questioning. If Kyle knew anything about guns he could have torn the DA apart on it. At such close range, a hollow point would have done way more damage and still passed through the victim, so it really made no difference other than maybe giving the victim a better chance of survival by not using them.
One of the last witnesses was a Kenosha detective who was testifying as to not finding a round on the ground when the rifle misfired. She made an erroneous statement that you either get a fired round or a round on the ground with a cycling of the action. Like it was a 50/50 thing. The problem is that she never accounted for a faulty magazine producing a failure to feed which is the most likely thing that happened. Unfortunately, no one corrected her on that and the jury has bad information. I'm surprised that there isn't a weapons expert (not a detective but an actual armorer) on both sides of every firearms trial to make sure the jury has good information.
The prosecution made one last ditch effort to try to pierce self defense by claiming that Rittenhouse pointed his rifle at Ziminski earlier. This is contrary to witness and Rittenhouse's testimony but the State got some mysterious drone footage and the 11th hour that they are trying to say shows this action. The thought is that the innocence aspect of self defense would be null if he was pointing that weapon at people for no reason.
Here's the still that they showed the jury. Tell me if you can state beyond a reasonable doubt in what position Rittenhouse is holding his rifle.
(One of these is enhanced and that was a big deal at trial. Ultimately they let it in to let the jury decide.)
Here's the still that they showed the jury. Tell me if you can state beyond a reasonable doubt in what position Rittenhouse is holding his rifle.
(One of these is enhanced and that was a big deal at trial. Ultimately they let it in to let the jury decide.)
